Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion

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Guyon said:
Are you monitoring? :D If so, I wonder why you had so little input about what might make for a good review.

Honest question directed at 230grains. Why would such a cheap knife get such a high rating if it's got handle issues?

It's interesting to me how many folks in the CTD reviews mention knifetests as a reason they purchased.
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What makes a "good" review is subjective - totally out of the Guyon's element.

The knife is question got a good review because it did well in the tests (self explanatory one would think) and it is "cheap". Unlike some expensive knives tested.

It appears "value" has some weight in the ratings - a valid concern to many.

As to mentioning knifetests.com as a reason for purchase, perhaps it is simply that people can see how well the knives perform - a picture is worth a thousand words. Buck used to hammer blades through bolts and it surely didn't hurt his sales.
 
orthogonal1 said:
What makes a "good" review is subjective - totally out of the Guyon's element.

The knife is question got a good review because it did well in the tests (self explanatory one would think) and it is "cheap". Unlike some expensive knives tested.

It appears "value" has some weight in the ratings - a valid concern to many.

As to mentioning knifetests.com as a reason for purchase, perhaps it is simply that people can see how well the knives perform - a picture is worth a thousand words. Buck used to hammer blades through bolts and it surely didn't hurt his sales.
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Again hoss, I wasn't talking to you when I asked the question. I was asking 230grains a question based on his handling and use of the knife.

And I see clearly now you don't want to engage me or anyone else here in a serious conversation about the constitution of good reviews. You mainly want to repeat what you think is a clever variation on my username. Again, if it's just insults you want to swap, I suggest you bring it in W&C. I'll happily oblige you. :p
 
Well hoss, if you start a reply by quoting someone, one would normally be of the belief any remarks that follow are directed to that individual. Pretty common belief, actually.

I see clearly that the Guyon suggests others start some thread concerning what contitutes a "good" review. I think it has been three times the Guyon has made such suggestions.

Start such a thread to make clear to all that a thread has such a goal.

This thread has been entitled "Knifetests.com-whats YOUR opinion", not some such as "what makes a good knife review".

As to insults, kinda the pot calling the kettle black, eh?
 
I wonder what part of "Honest question directed at 230 grains" that orthogonal1 did not understand. :confused:

Threads do shift in direction, and opinions about knifetests have been pretty well covered. Maybe orthogonal1 thinks we need another 39 pages though. :p Besides, the question of "What makes for a good review?" is certainly relevant to a discussion of knifetests. I told theonew that I would play in his thread about reviews and ignore insults from the likes of orthogonal1, and I am hoping he takes me up on the offer. I am still waiting to see if he will; it was his idea after all. In this thread, I expressed an honest desire to shift in a positive direction until then. I suspect the orthogonal1 has no such desire.
 
Guyon said:
I wonder what part of "Honest question directed at 230 grains" that orthogonal1 did not understand. :confused:
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Where is that "Honest question directed at 230 grains" in post #762? What part of "one would normally be of the belief any remarks that follow are directed to that individual" does the Guyon fail to understand.



Guyon said:
Threads do shift in direction, and opinions about knifetests have been pretty well covered.
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Threads do shift in topic, yep. This thread went from a discussion on opinions of Knifetests to an insult ladden mire due to two particular posters.



Guyon said:
Maybe orthogonal1 thinks we need another 39 pages though. :p
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No. That's the Guyon's thing to make a big post count.



Guyon said:
Besides, the question of "What makes for a good review?" is certainly relevant to a discussion of knifetests. I told theonew that I would play in his thread about reviews and ignore insults from the likes of orthogonal1, and I am hoping he takes me up on the offer. I am still waiting to see if he will; it was his idea after all. In this thread, I expressed an honest desire to shift in a positive direction until then. I suspect the orthogonal1 has no such desire.
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Take a little initiative and start your own thread as indicated above and as you suggested others do concerning what constitutes a "good" review.

Too much suspicion is often a symptom of paranoia.
 
In post 762, I note that "I was asking 230grains a question," so I still do not understand ortho1's point about where the question was directed.

And the question was asked with the more general questions about constructing good reviews in mind. I wondered if 230grains could explain the scenario in which a CTD knife would do well. Maybe value is the key, and if so, that raises a good question about criteria. If we concern ourselves with reviewing survival/hard-use knives, then should value be a factor? Maybe. A lot of military guys and LEOs (or anyone for that matter) may not have a lot of disposable income. In that case, should a Chris Reeve or Busse lose some ground in any comparative ratings?
 
Maybe, and, I don't know, but, if you knuckleheads would STOP ARGUING, it would die.

Then again, since neither one of you appears to be a big enough man to let the other have the last word, I seriously doubt it.

Once again, this has become a thread about who has the longest schlong, and not about Knifetests.com. Seems kinda pointless, though, since it appears you both have a schlort.;)
 
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There are tests that exist. The Guild has a fairly comprehensive line up there are many others in existence.

Who does the testing, a panel of several qualified people that design and use knives and before testing able to define the designed purpose of the blade and what would normally be expected of it and set the tests around core purpose and secondary purposes. Test under heat and under cold.

So corrosion, Rockwell flex testing require lab testing.

So at least 3 randomly selected knives of each type each to be lab tested then onto field testing within their design parameters of hard everyday use. Three testers, each testing each knife. Then the cord cutting test and, for some chopping 2x4s, sharpened and retested. Tip testing, then finally breakage point. All under differing temperatures, summer high, winter low and at 22centigrade (normal design temp).

That means a fair cost and ideally each series should be carried out with as many knives in their respective classes as it would be cheaper and more indicative. The more knives tested by more “specialists” means that individual, natural, bias can be valued or discounted. Results showing a – Strengths/Weaknesses analysis as it pertains to its everyday use. This allows the public to assess knives in relation to what they are looking at.

Chopping bolts, driving knives through doors, chopping cinder block, carving tin cans are marketing tools. I have yet to need to do any of those tasks but they do carry to the largely uneducated public the message of durability when most people really don’t have a clue and tend towards buying garbage.
 
Ask 200 people for their opinions - you'll get 200 different answers with many times that in permutations. Each and everyone of us bases their opinions on our past experiences and current needs. It's called bias.

For an African soldier in a civil war the AK47 bayonet will likely get a big wow. For a European hunter in Africa, it is very inadequate.
 
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Chopping bolts, driving knives through doors, chopping cinder block, carving tin cans are marketing tools. I have yet to need to do any of those tasks but they do carry to the largely uneducated public the message of durability when most people really don’t have a clue and tend towards buying garbage.
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Isn't cutting through bolts, etc. indicative of the quality of the heat treat?

Most blades are heat treated to be harder than the average grade 5 bolt, yes?

And for some reason I suspect most of the "garbage" knives out there will fail at the task.

As to "need to do any of those tasks", I perform few of the tasks that the Guild requires of a knife.

I think tests should be tasks beyound what I do (whether a knife or any other product). That way I am confident that a product will perform at my lower level of needed performance.
 
orthogonal1 said:
Isn't cutting through bolts, etc. indicative of the quality of the heat treat?

Most blades are heat treated to be harder than the average grade 5 bolt, yes?

And for some reason I suspect most of the "garbage" knives out there will fail at the task.

As to "need to do any of those tasks", I perform few of the tasks that the Guild requires of a knife.

I think tests should be tasks beyound what I do (whether a knife or any other product). That way I am confident that a product will perform at my lower level of needed performance.
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Yes, most garbage knives would fail horribly at most the market "tests". I tend to encourage them if not for the fact that a few hero’s with junkers wanting to try it at home and learn the real value of what they are carrying.

Engineering is design around the limit of expected uses and then some. It is also impossible to design and manufacture for every contingency. Cost goes up exponentially squeezing each little extra margin out, and that is reflected in the wide choice of the materials to create the best mix for a use and a budget. Going stainless is a huge trade off on steel performance, but so many people want stainless. Cost goes up and we also see more junkers made from Stainless (sink grade steel). However that equipment must maintain its integrity within the upper limits of testing normal use. If possible to test the blade past norms, with incremental stress/wear until it fails to perform in order to define the limits.
 
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