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Slight correction, it's not the count per-se as the content (your famous one liners - "excellent post + thumbs up"), as if OP really needs Guyon stamp of approval, although admittedly that is a lot better than namecallilng, except the places when you are cheering for the same namecalling. Repeated posting of the same pix... Have a little more faith, even the n00bs can get it from the first timeIt's amazing how folks here are so concerned with my post count,
I suspect you get much higher kicks by posting. And no way in hell you will ever slow down until something serious changes in your life.At 25K posts, I get to kick back and enjoy my BFC pension. This thread has really helped me toward that goal. I can't wait to live the high life.![]()
No worries, it won't. I don't think overall tone of my posts was "aggravated", especially compared to very hostile reprisals from "non abusive knife testing" proponents.Edited to add: I know it'll aggravate Gator97 that we move off topic,
Please do soEven now, I'll pick up one of the books, read a little bit, and laugh.
I guess so. In your post 544 you clearly promised to rescind:Hmmm... must have missed this.
Now, I've expressed opinions that might have hurt some tender feelings, but show me a false fact, and if it's wrong, I'll gladly and graciously rescind it.
You != "people"Again, I'm glad to see how Gator97 can speak with such concrete assuredness on what people understand and do not understand.
Hey, guys, maybe we could end the pissing contest, and get this thread back on track?
Man, toss out some opinions about TGHM and his doings, and people sure do get all worked up. It's not like I called into question anyone's religion.
Or did I?![]()
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orthogonal1's outrage is duly noted, and he has every right to post his objections in that thread. Until I see that these Mountain-Dew-induced tests are warping how we look at a knife, I'll abstain.
And I have a small request. Could orthogonal1 please add, "Purveyor of All Things Good" when he refers to me as the Guyon? It just adds a bit of flair to the dramatic moment.
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Careful, guys. If you can't play nice, Gator97 will come down hard on you.
Looks like orthogonal1 had some dribbles left too.
To my credit, in post 713, I did try to take the thread in a new useful direction by responding to theonew, but I had no takers.
Kbrasmodeler, I don't think any of these guys want to talk about noss4 or knife "testing" at this point.
Their arguments are long since worn out, and they'd basically be saying the same thing over and over anyway.
Apparently, I'm a much more attractive topic now.
A few of these guys feel like they've been backed into a corner because their views have been challenged repeatedly.
So they've decided to debate something else instead--my psyche. And then they accuse me of being off topic. Classic. Just classic.
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Has ortho proven that noss4's conclusions are correct? No, of course not.
Has ortho satisfactorily addressed any of the critiques of noss4's methods? No, of course not.
Has ortho ever really understood that you can't satisfactorily disprove something that has no basis in the first place? No, of course not.
Has ortho contributed anything of value to this thread lately other than diss the Guyon? No, of course not.
Therefore, does ortho's opinion here hold much water? No, of course not.
Wow, ortho is on fire this morning. Someone douse that man.![]()
Sure, ortho, you can run methodical tests and get a different set of results than noss4.
To say, however, that you've "disproven" something suggests that noss4 proved something in the first place.
Considering the haphazard way in which he makes cross comparisons, that position gives credit where credit is undue.
I've got to throw theonew a bone here. (Get it? Bone? Dog avatar? Oh nevermind.) His was a conciliatory post in many ways, and it was a smart one.
I've long thought that TGHM could have done things better from the get-go. A lot of the negativity here stems from his own adolescent-like proceedings as he began destroying knives, video-taping the results, and garnering some attention. I don't need to rehash it all; the threads are there. More on point, I recognize the difficulty of scientific testing by an individual with limited resources. But even if noss4 doesn't claim to do anything scientific, we see him making very suggestive cross comparisons. As I've contended all along, his standards are simply lacking.
1) Get rid of "testing" and knife "tests." The term polarizes, and you're blind if you don't see how, in this very thread, that simple linguistic choice has an effect. Admit you're doing very subjective reviews, and even explain to an audience all the factors that make the performances subjective. In other words, offer up some reflective disclosure beyond something like "This is what I do. It stands for itself." This includes discussions/reflections that consider qualities like Rockwell, grain structure, stress risers, etc.
2) Get rid of the comparative ratings. They're subjective, and they simply serve to inflame, especially when somebody's revered knife brand only receives two Rotating Swords of Doom. Since the knives have not been subjected to the same standards, any such comparisons appear arbitrary at best.
3) If you insist on doing some kind of comparative report, then at least make some effort to do the exact same things to knives across the board. Same number of chops, same number of stabs, same number of hammer blows, and at least try to use similar force. There might be a clearly defined heuristic that guides every single review you do.
4) It would be interesting if you could practice blows, measure their force, and see if you're at least swinging a hammer with roughly the same force at a given time. We talk about accuracy in rifles, and of course, there's an element of human performance there too. But at least we try to put something on paper (groups) that gives us some indication of the combined ability of a shooter and a gun. noss4 has no such indicators.
That's just a start. theonew's notions about temperature strike me as a reasonable consideration as well.
Edited to add: The point about materials is a good one too. While wood is never going to be exactly the same, there's a big difference between a gardening post that's been sitting in your back yard for a year and a nice, soft 2x4 from Home Despot.