knives for self defense? is it mental?

Notice we haven't heard from the original poster?

At any rate, I heartily agree: in a last ditch, survival situation, having a knife beats hell out of a fist, and can save a life. Only a fool would disagree.

What worried me about the original post is that he might feel more confident with a knife, even if he didn't know how to use it, and hence wind up in situations he may have avoided.

Three examples of what I'm talking about, in chronological order:

1) When I was in college, some girls we knew took martial arts courses. While that was a good move, they had only learned the minimum, yet felt they could now go to bars in bad neighborhoods, where they never would have gone before, and handle themselves if they got into trouble. My roomates and I explained reality to them.

2) When I was in grad school I quit smoking (three packs a day) and took up jogging to clear my lungs, eventually doing several miles a day. I told friends that because of my new abilities, in a bad situation, even though I was slow as hell, I could outrun the rough guys. Friends told me how insane an idea that was.

3) When I played airsoft as an adult, young guys who planned to enter the military occassionally claimed they expected to do well there, on the grounds that they had played airsoft. In one case, a vet who was also playing took the kid aside, and told him that if he ever, EVER told a d.i. that, he would wind up in a world of hurt for a long time.

As others have noted, a ccw trumps most everything. And having a brain. I lived in NYC during the bad days of the high crime seventies. What got me through it was having good street sense, and knowing how and when to avoid trouble. If that fails, your chances of having to use that knife as a means of survival go up a lot. And that was all I was worried about.
 
Actually it’s the opposite. In the movies that you brought up the good guy disarms the bad guy, by using some means of fighting techniques, so he is not your average Joe.
However, in a real life the victim of an assault is usually weaker than his attacker(s).
I'm not saying it's impossible to fight off someone with a knife, or discourage you from trying in the event of a life danger. We just need to be aware of possible outcomes

You're screwed if you do and screwed if you don't. I think I'll go down fighting then. Truly prefer to walk away from any violent encounter,one way or the other. Being alert and aware will give you a better edge on things,being willing to do whatever it takes helps too. I never understood pepper spray,why use a weapon that can lose pressure without warning and blow back in your face with a change of wind direction?

Read Jeff Cooper's Principles of Personal Defense,he had the best viewpoint I've ever heard.
 
Popcorn anyone?

Pass some this way please.

As far as the self defense thing goes, well…you can do a lot better then a knife. It seems like it would be to easy for someone to take it away (if you don’t know how to use it). It escalates the situation. I carry an ASP baton. It looks like a flashlight I think it would be more effective then a knife. And there is some real intimidation factor going on when you snap it out.
 
an ASP would be far more effective IMO, but sadly they are being made illegal in many places now :barf:
 
IMHO relying on a knife as a primary and only means of SD is dangerous and unrealistic. I carry a karambit as a last ditch option, but I have empty handed and impact weapons training as well, which I will use first. I carry a "tactical flashlight" and I consider that as my primary SD weapon option nowadays. Even with lethal and less than lethal weapons available, empty handed skills should still be the first choice, but have other choices just in case.

I think the knife should be considered as a response to an escalating threat. If a simple "interview" can be settle by a few well spaced empty handed strikes and the threat dissipates, then there's no need to go for the edged weapon. But I do want to have that option of having someone to fall back on if the situation escalates to a real life or death struggle.

Learning to use a knife for SD (I hate the word "knife fighting". Sounds to much like something from a James Dean movie) and increasing the possibility of emerging with little or no injuries requires a lot of training. I know of one incident where the trained defender was able to use a folding knife on an attacker with a balisong and he got away without a scratch. Unfortunately I can't say the same for the attacker.

The goal of knife training is more about knowing how someone will use a knife on you rather than just learning how to use a knife on someone. If you know how it will be used, it will be easier to find ways to defend against it.

On the point of disarming someone with a knife, it's not as easy as it sounds. The guy with the knife knows he has the advantage. The only way you'll take that knife away is by taking it from his cold and dead fingers.
 
A Knife should never be underestimated as a viable weapon. The LEO standard is a 21 foot range for a person wielding a knife (not throwing one). Within that 21 feet an officer can shoot/kill legally, it is considered a just shoot. Avoid violence at all costs but if it comes your way and you have a knife, rest assured it is a more than adequate self defense weapon.
 
Notice we haven't heard from the original poster?

He was probably surprised when he opened this

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i usually have always carried a knife, but just recently, i have began buying and really learning about knives, and it is yet another hobby i love. ive been thinking about the knives for self defence thing, and cat figure out why haveing a knife makes me feel "safer". if it comes down to me stabbing or running, i will always run. i cant thing of a messier or "to close for comfort" fight than a knife fight, and i will 100% avoid it at every cost. but just the other day, in a parking lot, i was walking back to my car, and a carload of...interesting...looking guys was heeling me, all glaring at me, running up to me, slamming on brakes, and at one point, drove a circle around me. they were just waiting for me to do something, so they could gank me, but i ignored em, and they finally left. but the first thought through my mind was did i remember to carry a knife? a had one in my pocket, and one between the seats of my truck, and man, ill tell ya, i felt a whole lot better. once again, if it ever comes down to me pulling a knife, you can bet i wont have any other options, and ill say ill never be in a situation where i need to get that drastic, and if its going to be a bare knuckle brawl (an actual self defense fight, not an anoying buddy that needs knocked), ill keep my knives outta it and slug it out. it would have to really be a life or death thing for me to pull a blade, but i feel alot safer with one. what are your thoughts on this?

i've been jumped a couple of times and both times it ended up bad for me. the guys were all unarmed but according to the doc i almost lost my left eye and i still can't feel part of my face. i carry my knife with me everywhere the next time i get jumped someone's getting stabbed. i only got the one life and i'll do what ever i have to to protect it.

weather you have to use it or not everyone realizes how big an edge a knife is in a fight. usually just showing people you have it is enough to avoid trouble. not every "bad guy" is armed like a lot of people seem to think. if the guys packing a guy he'd have pulled it out before the attack got serious
 
don't bring a knife to a gun fight.


I live is a state where concealed carry is legal and I have a permit. IMO the only time I would have to defend my life is if someone pulls a gun on me. If they pull a knife then I just run away. Knowbody usually comes out of a knife fight unscathed. Usually when you are targeted, it is by a group, as it was in your scenario,.. and not just one person.

Sorry but I dont feel confident in my ability to outrun some young punk running after me with a knife. If a knife is pulled on me Im putting a few holes in the knife wielder. I live in a state that not only is concealed carry legal, you dont have to have a permit.
 
Sorry but I dont feel confident in my ability to outrun some young punk running after me with a knife. If a knife is pulled on me Im putting a few holes in the knife wielder. I live in a state that not only is concealed carry legal, you dont have to have a permit.

Which state is that? First, I thought of Texas, but then as I was told it can't be concealed.

Edit: Never mind, I just found Vermont and Alaska fall in that category.
 
usually just showing people you have it is enough to avoid trouble. not every "bad guy" is armed like a lot of people seem to think. if the guys packing a guy he'd have pulled it out before the attack got serious

I would never, EVER use a weapon for intimidation... If I have to pull a weapon, I'll make for damn sure they never see it coming.

An intimidation tactic is gambling. I'm not playing those odds.
 
I would never, EVER use a weapon for intimidation... If I have to pull a weapon, I'll make for damn sure they never see it coming.

An intimidation tactic is gambling. I'm not playing those odds.
Agree 99,9%, unless it's AK-47 or a shotgun you have. Always make a warning shot or two :D J/K
 
Knives can be used as self defense devices, but there are better options out there. I would never want to be in a knife fight.

It really depends on the situation if it's a good idea to take out your knife for self defense. If you're surrounded by people with intent on harming you, you probably don't want to pull out a knife. If there's only one person that you need to defend against then you might want to consider the knife, but keep it concealed until you really need it. The element of surprise is important if using your knife for self defense. If I ever need to use a knife for defense I don't want to be relying on intimidation, I'm going to be using it as a tool to exert more harm to the attacker.

As for the "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" saying, knives don't need reloading. ;)
 
As for the "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" saying, knives don't need reloading.

If I can't stop them with eight chances then I deserve to die.
 
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