Knives & Religion ... Don't Mix ??? -:(

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Just want to say by to all my blade knut friends I have become to know over these past couple of years or so and all of you will be surely missed, but for personal reasons that was brought to my attention today, I must now move on. Hopefully I will see or hear from you in the future, somewhere around cyberspace!

I hope this thread is left here and not moved, Paracelsus
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, I would like my friends to know I will be gone. THANKS!
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AKA TitaniumKnutt
 
Mark, I've not been a member here for too long but I have read your postings with interest and your presence has (in my opinion) helped to make BF the great place that it is. I can say that for myself you will be missed.

bob
 
Knives and Religion don't mix? Maybe it was all the time I spent in Jesuit schools, but I don't see it that way. Also sure my many Wiccan friends would disagree. If you haven't already gone, why don't they mix? I am a little confused, but I guess we all do what we have to. Good luck in what ever your future brings.
 
Huh ?

That's quite a whopper to leave us hanging with. Is this a personal conviction you've reached ? Were you disciplined by the mods for your latest "ti crosses" signature line ? Just by reading the signature lines of the posters, there are MANY of US who would be suprised to hear that the spiritual nature cannot co-exist with the knutt in us all.

Paracelsus, if Mark is really gone and you have some insight, please enlighten us.
 
Mark,
In my early years, I studied to be a Catholic Priest, a long,long time ago, but if my memory serves me, the Bible is full of knives, swords, and killing this one and that one,and also killing in the name of GOD.
There's also alot of killing in self defense,
I hope that this is not the reason your leaving US. But whatever the reason, Good Luck and God Bless.
Ironhorse
 
Mark, what is this nonsense? I am a practicing member of the Religious Society of Friends, the Quakers, and if there is any religious group that would frown on knives, I should think that it would be the Quakers. Now some of them do, and quite hard, but others accept it as a part of me and understand that I am not about to run around threatening folks with them. Indeed, some have found it useful to have me around when they need to cut something. This is not to say that they are universally happy about my hobby, but nobody has "eldered" me about it or tried to discourage me.

When I see something like this is when I miss James Mattis the most!

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Gee, I am a member of the Seventh Day Adventist Church (East) of Madison, Wisconsin. Several of the members, and an elder or two, are knife collecting fanatics, and often meet at my house on Sabbath for fellowship. I believe my Edge-Pro will be baptized next spring!
It sounds like you got caught on the 'net using a company computer. Now, THAT might pizz the pope...--OKG
 
Mark, I am at work and am unable to read my home email, but I am assuming this has something to do with the email I sent you this morning about the signature line you use as TitaniumKnutt. I certainly was not trying to chase you off the forums. I only asked you to reconsider the rather prominant display of religious symbols in your signature line. I also explained to you that this was a personal request, and was not representative of any offical action on the part of Bladeforums.com.

I did not tell you that you were Required to take any action whatsoever. So, I am disconcerted, to say the least, to see your post here today saying goodbye. No one is telling you what to do. I do not see how my request to reconsider your signature line in an open public forum would cause you to take such drastic action. If you simply want to stir up controversy, have fun with it. I will not lock this thread.

If you like, feel free to post the text of the email I sent you so that everyone can see what you a reacting too. My examples may have been extreme, but I was trying to make a point that you would understand. Looks like I failed.

Paracelsus, frustrated by possible over-reaction well intentioned (I thought) email
 
If this isn't some kind of trick I am truly sorry and you will be missed. As a Taoist and a pacifist you would think that me and knives would not jive but I use them as we all do, as tools. You should not disstract from your natural ways and if you got interested in knives then there must be some kind of reason for it. I accept it as part of my choosen path.
Mykl

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Mark,
Forget the whole damn thing like it never happened! And continue on with some other post, it's not a big thing, forget it and let it go!
Ironhorse
 
Mark,
I'm sure Para's only intention was to moderate Mike Turber's backyard in such a way that it does not look like the forum's primary purpose is for religious expression. The topic came up some time last year, and I'm sure we can all understand Mike's point. In any case, I honestly believe that most of us on the forums, including Paracelsus
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, are open-minded enough to tolerate each other's belief systems, whether they include a deity or not.

As long as you don't believe in 440A, of course.

 
Okay, okay ... maybe I did take it too hard from the constructive critisim ( did I spell that right
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) I was givin. I have been having some rough times lately and GOD has helped me through them. Forgive me all, I guess I did over re-act.

Yes, I will refraim from posting my 'new' signature I just created and yes I will stay here at BladeForums. Blades it is! Please ignore this thread all and thanks for letting me see the light! Geez, what a time I have been having the last few months!

AKA Mark W Douglas

Edited: P.S. I stopped at the local public library on my way home to get this thread, so please forgive me if I don't reply anymore today. There's always tomorrow. Now to get home so I can play .... with my knives that is!
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[This message has been edited by TitaniumKnutt (edited 12-12-2000).]
 
Thank-you Mark. I feel better now
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I look forward to your continuing participation, either as yourself, or as TitaniumKnutt.

Paracelsus, trying to encourage tolerance and understanding among folks with many different backgrounds and beliefs.

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Mark, nice to see you back! Here's my take on religious signatures: everyone's entitled. I don't particularly like LONG signatures because they just take up space, and I don't particularly like preaching because everyone has their own personal religion and this isn't a forum dedicated to proselytizing religion. But I don't have problems with people who want to wave flags, quote the Bible or Koran or Lao Tsu or whatever, or make a political statement. We are all knife people, regardless of our other convictions, and I don't think we should lose site of the fact that that is what unites this merry band of cyberspace travelers.


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JKM
 
Is this a part of what moderators are expected to do?
Why would anyone send an email trying to get someone to remove or edit a signature line or lines that only express Religious opinions?
I can respect someone commenting on overly long signature lines, such as a certain moderator is prone to use, but to try to suppress Freedom of Religion seems a little far fetched.

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C Ben, did you miss the part in Para's post that said it was a personal thing, and not representative of any official opinion of BladeForums.com?

If you did, you would note that this is not what a moderator is expected to do. He did not request anything as a moderator of this forum.

Just wondering if you saw that or not.
 
I was certainly NOT trying to discourage either Freedom of Religion or Freedom of speech. I also told Mark, and have explained in this thread that this was NOT any sort of official action in my role as moderator of this forum. I only wanted Mark to reconsider the prominant use of a signature line that was eye-grabbing in the extreme. I thought it might actually offend Others. This is not a Christian forum. It is Not a Pagan forum. It is not a Buddhist forum. Or any other sort of Religion Forum.

It is a Knife Forum. Everyone is free to express their ideas and their beliefs. But hitting folks in the head with the cross seemed a little over the top. I simply asked Mark to reconsider his new signature line.

C Ben Susrool, would you also defend someone using a symbol like the Nazi Iron Eagle Cross, and the Pagan Valknutt, or even an image of the Buddha? If Mark can use his crosses, and You can use your citation from the Book of John, would you promise me Not be offended if someone started using the symbols I just mentioned, or started quoting from Books you may find seriously defective or even offensive?

The major problem with Mark's signature was the prominant eye-grabbing thumbnail link. A line or two quoting the bible is OK I guess, but unecessary. I have never felt the need or desire to tell folks my religious beliefs in a forum like this one.

One of my jobs asd moderator is to try to get people to get along. Overly promiscuous expressions of belief almost invariably lead to conflict and strife between different people. I would personally like to see this minimized. My email to Mark was done in my capacity as a concerned forum member. Not as a moderator of this forum. I explained that in my email to Mark. And I have explained it in this thread.

If you feel I have done something seriously wrong, then please, email Mr. Turber and/or Spark and complain about me or demand my removal. I am only trying to be fair to all. Not to censor or deny folks their right to free expression.

There is a Big difference between emailing someone asking for them to reconsider something, and "trying to get someone to remove or edit a signature line or lines that only express Religious opinions". Religious opinions have been the source of much strife, anguish, cruelty, and death. So, yes, I would like to see people supress their own expression of religious belief here in this forum. Not to supress Religion, but only to encourage Open discussion. That is all...

Paracelsus, noting that if you are complaining about MY signature line, I never use one except what I invent on the spur of the moment, appropriate for each thread. If you mean the signature line of the Undead Moderator, I agree with you. It is excessive, unecessary, and distracting. But it is not obviously something that may offend folks (unless they click the links of course)
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I would have to say that knives and religion can mix. I'm a born again Baptist. Now, of course, most other Christians in my church are 'sheeple'. That kid in Sunday School held his fingers about this:

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far apart and acted like it was a mile apart, when talking about the length of my Kershaw Whirlwind's blade. Yeech...

Anyways, I do not believe in killing, but if it's you or him, then it is better to defend yourself. IMO.

And yes, I would be offended if someone put up a Swastica. That sign represents the Nazi party, who killed 6,000,000 innocent people.

~Whirlwind~

Marching Christian soldiors...

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See what you started, Para?!! If I wanted to hear rantings on about religion, I'd go to.....church! You have found away to offend an atheist.
Lock this thread, it doesn't belong here. Anything that has to be said about religion should be kept to personal e-mail. I want to read postings about knives...hence the title "BLADE FOURUMS"!!!!!!

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