Knives & Religion ... Don't Mix ??? -:(

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Paracelsus let this drop, I understand what you said. You made your point and I respect your method of delivery, you have been honest and open. Sometimes others do not want to see the simple and look for the complex.

Lets all give Paracelsus a break here! Deal?

W.A.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Paracelsus:

This is NOT about religion (at least from my perspective).

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One last time, this is not about RELIGION AT ALL. </font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Paracelsus:

...I only asked you to reconsider the rather prominant display of religious symbols in your signature line.

...Paracelsus, trying to encourage tolerance and understanding among folks with many different backgrounds and beliefs.

...I only wanted Mark to reconsider the prominant use of a signature line that was eye-grabbing in the extreme. I thought it might actually offend Others. This is not a Christian forum. It is Not a Pagan forum. It is not a Buddhist forum. Or any other sort of Religion Forum.

...C Ben Susrool, would you also defend someone using a symbol like the Nazi Iron Eagle Cross, and the Pagan Valknutt, or even an image of the Buddha? If Mark can use his crosses, and You can use your citation from the Book of John, would you promise me Not be offended if someone started using the symbols I just mentioned, or started quoting from Books you may find seriously defective or even offensive?

...The major problem with Mark's signature was the prominant eye-grabbing thumbnail link. A line or two quoting the bible is OK I guess, but unecessary. I have never felt the need or desire to tell folks my religious beliefs in a forum like this one.

...One of my jobs asd moderator is to try to get people to get along. Overly promiscuous expressions of belief almost invariably lead to conflict and strife between different people. I would personally like to see this minimized.

...Religious opinions have been the source of much strife, anguish, cruelty, and death. So, yes, I would like to see people supress their own expression of religious belief here in this forum.

...Remster, I don't see how this thread is discussing religion. It is about the use of religious imagery or quotations by forum members.

...Richard, I assure you that not everyone finds Christianity to be benign and harmless and I gave other examples of potentially offensive symbols besides the iron cross of the Nazis.

...Richard, what are the limits on symbols in signature lines? Would it be OK for me to use a very large Upside down cross in my signature line? Or do you think that might have some serious potential for causing problems?

...This forum is supposed to about knife discussion. It is not a place to express your religious beliefs, or your political beliefs.

...But, I feel that political or religious statements in signature lines are at best unecessary, and are often potentially divisive and inflammatory.

...I am attacking Any strong statement of belief that has the potential to cause problems here in the forums.
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Boy, I sure am glad this whole thing wasn't about religion!
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Para,

I'm not attacking anyone. I am saying this in all sincerity and friendship. As a country, we are becoming a joke. You ever see the Christmas special a couple/three years ago of South Park? You could not celebrate a damned thing because everyone was offended by something...that is the point of all my posts. Not necessarily ragging on YOU.
 
I think the whole jist of the original post was whiney and should never have been posted. "Poor me I'm leaving now "sniff". Sure bring everyone into it. If you had a problem with Para then spit it out or take it to e-mail never mind the poor me crap.
Bob
 
Crimeny I thought this thing was over! You guys want to toast your marshmallows till their black, I reckon. Well...just remember, the more we stoke these kind of flames, the more they are likely to resurface later on. Eventually everyone will be pi$$ed at everyone and this place will be unfun. If you think continuing to bitch about it will change the situation, I seriously doubt it. Agree to disagree and move one, eh? Or move this thread to the political forum or community, cause I don't see much knife content here and we've gone well beyond a simple farewell.

Since Paracelsus has a dog in this fight, I suggest it's up to Spark to do something with this thread.



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Hoodoo

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Well said, Hoodoo.

Woah never thought I would say THAT!

W.A.

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Para, for the love of ANYBODY's deity, LOCK THIS THREAD. Earlier today, I got a personal E-mail from Metal Demon. When I wrote in the forum that he had finally found the definitive answer, he thought I flamed him. MD is about the only knut I still like! You're going to have hurt feelings here for months.
What more is there to say on this subject. Wait, I know...we all love each others' gods or goddesses or icons--we really do! We love and respect each others' opinions.
However, we will no longer patronize Turber's businesses! Now, LOCK UP.--OKG
 
Para Para Para...hmmm.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Don, and Richard, I said I emailed folks about Large images in their signature lines. Yes Don, I certainly would have privately emailed a forum member who was using a Large image of the Star of David. I emailed another guy about his use of ALL the smileys as a signature line. His posts were generally only one word. I found it annoying and told him so. I emailed Chang because is large flag was causing serious bandwidth problems. His flag was not offensive in any way. It was simply annoying to have threads refuse to load because his server was down, or slow to respond. So what? How is that WRONG? I do not get it. Calling it being a busy body is ridiculous. I care about how this forum works. Don't you?
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Para, as Kelly pointed out so well, you made many religious referenses regarding this subject. Hey, if somebody makes pictures so big that it hampers forum performance and you are making them aware of a technical problem, fine. However, that was not the impression you gave. Yes, I care how this forum works, thanks for asking.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Have YOU never emailed anyone on the forums about their posts or their content?
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Yes, I have. Not for the same reasons you do, but I have emailed forumites before...but never to tell them not to post something because I or somebody else might get my sensitivities in an uproar.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">What is the pattern of busy-body behavior to which you refer Richard? </font>
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Para, I have seen it before...however, I will stand by that, as right now you have over 1800 posts, and I dont have the time or desire to do a search for all your posts...maybe this weekend.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I can not learn and change unless I know what is wrong.</font>
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Para, dont change at all because of something I or anybody else says. If you think you are right, then stand up. Just because I or somebody else disagrees with you is no reason to 'fix it'. Geez, if I tried to change everytime somebody said I was wrong, I would have to see a shrink.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I agreed to moderate this forum because I thought I could do the job and because I CARE. But the chat room crowd has repeatedly tested me (that includes you buddy), and has leveled some pretty harsh criticisms about my locking threads that I really did (and still do) think needing locking. If you want to have a free for all forum, get Timmy to moderate general.

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Great that you care. The forum needs a moderator. Yep, you have taken some crap in the chat room....SO HAS EVERY REGULAR IN THERE!!! 99% is all in fun...friends give each other ribbing...and the other 1% is true arguments...but most of us have learned that we dont all agree about everything..and that critisism and ribbing are not to be taken personally.

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Richard, you sadden me. I thought we were friends. But I guess not. </font>
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Oh geez...we cant be friends?? WTF not. Because IMO you are wrong on this?? Big deal. There are others I disagree with, and I have no problem telling them, and they have no problem telling me where to shove it either...but we are friends. Personally, I think you are lock happy...and on this issue, you are wrong...but I still like ya. You dont think you lock to much, and probably think im wrong on alot of things...so you gonna hate me for that? That is one remark I hope (your option) that you re-consider. We dont have to agree on everything to be friends...do we?

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">I am tired of defending my behavior in this forum. I am only doing what I think is right and asking for some help from folks. </font>
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Fine, then dont defend yourself. If you believe in what you do, the agree or not, I will respect you for doing what you feel is proper.

Ugh...fingers tired...more later....



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I am tired of this stuff. I am not lock happy. If anyone can produce a thread (they are Easy to find Richard) which I locked or moved which should Not have been moved, please let me know.

Richard, I am not talking about chat room stuff. I am talking about the times that the chat room crowd has posted nonsense in the general forum just to see if I would lock the thread. Tim and a few others did test me. Timmy tells me all the time 'I am no fun anymore'. Well, so be it. I try hard to be fair and impartial. And if folks that I call friends get irritated because I treat them like anyone else, too bad. I threw several threads back to the WC forum that were inappropriate for the general forum. They were then deleted from the WC forum.

Kelly, thank-you. I guess I was wrong. I am against overt expressions of religion in the forums. However, not just Christianity. All religion. Including mine
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I am thinking hard about whether or not I want to remain as moderator of this forum. It seems that I feel compelled to explain myself to a degree that is not healthy for me, or for the forums. I can not lock this thread. If I do, there is absolutely NO question in my mind that I would be criticized for that as well.

Tell you what, Everyone please go find an image (any kind), make a LARGE thumbnail out of it and put it into your signature line. Then we will see who Really wants freedom of expression for all.

It is really very easy to criticize a moderators actions. Especially a newbie moderator. Any action can be easily called into question by people who have no Responsibility for anything and have no choices to make other than pressing the submit button.

I don't like being called names just because I did (privately) what I thought was right, and what I thought would help Everyone.

This whole thread is BS. Pure and simple. I'm done here. I come to the forums to learn, teach, and play. But I am not having any fun at all, I am not learning anything, and I don't think I've managed to teach anyone anything in this thread. Everyone seems to want to read my words and interpret my actions the way they want to, based on their own insecurities and preconceptions. I can't do anything about that. So maybe I shouldn't try.

Have fun with it everyone. Thank-you Mark!

Paracelsus

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this has gotten to be about the sorriest, whiniest thread yet! some dam crybaby is always getting offended but some lame sh*t! GET A LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO RUN EVERBODY ELSES!!!

you all act like a buncha dam six graders! you prudes ahould really love my new signature
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Classy timmy. Only you would do that and I am waiting till the post gets locked, moved etc!! lol.
 
I, for one, feel that Paracelsus is doing a damn fine job here. Can we get back to talking knives now?

Paul

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Well guys, I don't know what to make of this thread anymore - I still fail to see anything worth getting worked up over.

I will say this - if pictures in signatures are a big controversy, well, that's a problem I can fix - I can turn that ability off. Just like I can remove signature files altogether. Personally I find that to be a needlessly draconian step that I don't see taking anytime soon, but it is a step that could be taken.

Regardless, I said it before, and I'll say it again - let's all use a little more self moderation and consideration in our posts - what you type doesn't just affect you.

With that, I'm going to shut this down. Any more discussion on this topic can probably be done offline between the affected parties. As for BladeForums.com's official position - as long as your signature conform's to our Golden Rule policy (and applicable terms, conditions, and standards), we don't have a problem with what you put in it. Remember, it's a family site, and not everyone has the same belief's you do, so please use restraint.

Spark

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