Knives & Religion ... Don't Mix ??? -:(

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Never say never...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally Posted By Old Knife Guy: .................After all, I have a life.--OKG </font>
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Sometimes I talk about what I learned and enjoyed today from these forums, and my wife tells me that same thing that she has a life, & for me to get one!
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Oh no...a Smiley Face! They are offensive to Manic-Depressives...please remove it.

Here, here, here is one that is offensive to people from the banjo playing, deep South, for the Smiley has teeth.
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Far too serious around here. Egad.

[This message has been edited by Don Rearic (edited 12-14-2000).]
 
Mark,

I don't have a personal beef with you. As I said, I enjoy your upbeat enthusiasm. I just didn't like to see Para get trashed for something he said in private. I still believe that any reasonable person could have seen the outcome to this thread before it was ever started. You really left Para no choice but to come out publicly and defend himself. It would have come out at some point as to why you left, and Para would have looked even worse for not stepping up right away. So, while you didn't technically post his private email, the end result was the same. And as to my right to say what I did, this was brought to a public forum. If open discussion about this wasn't what you wanted, you should have kept the subject and your goodbye on private email. I know Para would have appreciated that.

Jim McCullough
 
Totally unreal this has become. Yeah, sure, blame it ALL on me, okay! I've said enough on this subject, talk and make your comments all you want now. God knows what my true intentions were, that's all that counts. So be it ....

I'm heading home now, see ya!

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Thanks to all of you that supported me on this issue! It really helps! I'm also glad I have God in my life, the truth remains! With out him, I wouldn't be here to enjoy the knives this world has to offer while I am living on it! Neither would any of you!
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[This message has been edited by TitaniumKnutt (edited 12-14-2000).]
 
Hmmmm... this appears to have graduated from a heated discussion, into a near "flame way." Now we can REALLY have some fun!
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Mark, I have no problem with your symbols. I do have a mild gripe about the bandwidth/load time issue, but it's only a mild one, not enough where I would see fit to comment one way or another - had it not been brought up. Your symbols were not nearly as bad as when you initially joined up, and were posting your photo, etc. You were told then about the load time issue, and I thought that you understood. Whatever.

But I do have a problem with you claiming innocence over the sh!tstorm you've raised here. If it were otherwise, I wouldn't have seen your post this morning (since deleted - rightfully) in the other forum. You brought your gripe to BOTH forums, looking to draw a crowd. Well, it worked.

Do what you believe. Feel good about what you do. Stop seeking validation from others. Someone told you how they felt - personally. If you didn't like it, you should have told them to step off - personally.

I wouldn't have agreed with what Para said. But he did it personally, so my opinion really didn't matter. Your response was "public". You brought the rest of us into this. Either defend your opinion (I take it that the return of your symbol IS that defense), or apologize and move on. But don't dare claim that you didn't mean for this to happen, and that you are being wronged by it.
 
I am beginning to see what Para meant when he said that you wouldn't discuss it calmly. I will let mine and your posts speak for themselves. I am not trying to put the blame all on you so please try and discuss this like an adult. Para started this by his initial email. Again, I will state that I feel your signature was perfectly fine. As I have also said, I don't want you to feel that I am attacking you personally. I just feel that you made an error in judgement by doing all of this publicly.

Jim McCullough

 
I think what is really offensive in the extreme is the idea that everything should be tolerated but intolerance.

This is America.

You see this sort of thing every damned day in America, it is browbeating, whining maggot nonsense. Political correctness gone mad. Hell, we don't have to worry about Government taking anything anymore when so many are willing to squelch a completely harmless symbol of another's faith.

I have a Jewish friend right on this Forum, I am sending him a book. I even screwed up and said the words, "Christmas Present." he is Orthodox. He was not offended, he knew I meant it in the meaning of sharing a gift that is a part of my Holiday, even though I changed it to Hannukah "Present."

If someone is really offended by the sight of a cross or a Star of David, maybe you should seek counseling.

 
I am also beginning to see what Paracelsus meant. There are a few facts that seem to be overlooked...

1> Paracelsus did not act as a moderator of this forum. He did it as a member of this community, which any member is free to do. If he were acting as a moderator, he would have addressed this matter in a thread containing the sig line.

2> Paracelsus was in no way out of line by e-mailing Mark. Mark freely gave any member of this community permission to e-mail him by providing his address to the software, thereby making e-mail a one click affair to his address.

3> Mark claims that he simply created the thread to come in here and say goodbye to his friends. Fine. Then the topic of that thread should have been "Just stopped in to say goodbye" or something similar. But this did not happen. The title was "Knives & Religion... Don't Mix??? -
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" While this did not exactly point to something amiss behind the scenes, it sure implied that such was the case.... very heavily so. A very unfortunate knee-jerk overreaction.

I have no problem with Mark's sig line. I have no problem with Paracelsus' concern over potential impact of sig lines. I like both individuals, and appreciate both of their posts immensely.

I do have a problem with the way this whole thing has played out against Paracelsus. If I receive an e-mail, I respond via e-mail. If someone addresses me on this forum, I respond to them on this forum. Netiquette demands that ne'er the twain shall meet, unless specifically called for in said media.

NOBODY is innocent as to how this thread has played out. Not even me. And nobody should act that way.
 
Mark, come on. YOU tried to blame all this stuff on ME. No, you didn't post my name. But I'm sure you would have revealed who complained about your thumbnail eventually.

The topic title is designed to Rally the Faithful. This thread is something like 'hey, looky here, the heathens are trying to feed me to the lions, come help'. It worked. I have felt I had no choice but to defend my actions, again, and again, and again.

I am still curious about the nature of the email that Mark claims to have received about this 'controversy'. In your 'poll' thread in the community forum you said "your email box has been flooded these last two days with comments".

Was it overwhelmingly negative? Is that why you started the 'poll' thread in community, and the 'link' thread here in the general forum, to try and get some feel good responses? I am getting pretty tired of this nonsense. Please, by all means, use your Smaller thumbnail. Nobody ever told you that you could not. Reducing the size of the thing is sensible. Carrying on here in public is silly.

You started all this nonsense in public. Don't be so surprised if you don't receive unanimous support. And even if you do, what difference does it make?

This is not the first time that Mark has been involved in controversy over his signature pictures. And I am sure it will not be the last.

I do want to say that I agree with Mark when he says that 'God understands my intentions'. I just wish Mark understood himself as well as God does. Self knowledge does not come from a book, no matter how good.
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Paracelsus, being somewhat immoderate due to my frustration and exhaustion. My apologies Mark.
 
Would you have privately E-mailed someone that placed a Star of David in their signature?

I repeat, no Christian should be offended by The Star of David and no Jewish person should be offended by a Cross...it has reached the point of absurdity in this society.

Part of "respect and tolerance" is just that! Damn, no one sees this?

I am a gun owner, you know how many times I have been called a Nazi in some chatrooms and whatnot? It is stupid. I started reading up on what I am accused of being in this matter...the Neo-Nazi movement in America.

Symbols, symbols...more symbols. Did you know that "88" is a Nazi Sign now?
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There are 88 keys on a piano. I'm glad I don't offend anyone by putting "88 Fingers Louie" (Flintstones episode where Fred bought Wilma a piano from a character of the same name) in my profile. "H" being the 8th letter in the alphabet, hence the "88" being an abbreviation for "Heil Hitler."

Do you see what we have become?

Nothing, I mean nothing can be innocent anymore, everything has some sinister connotation or is a racist or extremist euphemism for something else.

Just ban language and symbols for God's sake.

 
Hmmm...my first post on the first page of this thread sums up most of my feelings...but I have thought about this a little more (dunno why though
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) First, the way Mark handled it is not the way I would have...I would have told para right where he could stick his opinion and been done with it. Hes free to express it, im free to tell him what I think he oughta do with it. Para, you have a slight but obvious pattern of doing things that people may disagree with...fine, but when called on it you just love the 'poor me, im a victim crap'. Look, ya wanna moderate this forum against off topic posts and personal attacks, fine. But stop being such a busy-body. You stated earlier that you have emailed several people about things that may offend another...GET OVER IT!!! In these PC times, it seems EVERYBODY just loves to be offended by something. Why do I feel as though I would have better luck talking to a wall? Oh well, stop whining, you'll feel better.



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Hmmmmm ............. (*)

*Metal-Demon considers wading into the fray, his staunch anti-religious views in tow, then quickly reconsiders - he likes this place and doesn't want to make any enemies, eventhough the blatant hypocrisy is nearly driving him insane.

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Crushing the weak since 1970 .... the Demon has spoken.
 
Incredible insight, Metal Demon! We've been dancing around the issue for days, and you've finally found the definitive angle on this emotional issue. You've said it all. Using my borderline powers as Vampire-Moil while VG looks for a clutch on a rental car marked PRNDL, I HEREBY LOCK THIS THREAD. MD, how do you do it? Wait! Don't answer...--OKG
 
Metal-Demon, is this symbol you use a breast? (*)

BWAH HAH HAH HAH HAH

This is silly, leave people to their own devices.
 
I believe have just been flamed ....... twice.
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BTW Old Knife Guy: Where's my Hallmark card? You STILL have told me why you "doubted me".??!!??

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Crushing the weak since 1970 .... the Demon has spoken.

[This message has been edited by Metal-Demon (edited 12-14-2000).]
 
And people wonder why so many wars have lost so many lives?
We are each his own man under God or whatever you belive in.

Freedom is not self determination, but the freedom to follow God without hesitation or doubt. I have studied the classics and was once a deeply religious person. God did not walk away, I did.

We all have views, none more valid than any other, no matter how distastful they are. As long as we do no harm and do not preach. Lets be adults and carry God or whatever with us in our hearts.

Hope no one thinks I am starting any trouble here, we are all friends (well most of us)lets respect and turn the other cheek. Life is to short. I find religion distastful, but if a person wants a cross as a signiture, fine by me. Just dont try to convert me
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Peace.

W.A.

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Aw, don't be scared Boy-Demonic-Wonder. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's here. This just happens to be one of those threads that carries volatile undertones, but one that may or may not impact the way we post and interact with one another. If you got input that you think might be useful, you go right ahead and speak your mind.

Be cautious though: even with the similarities between the languages, alot can be misconstrued in the translation from Canadian to English.
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Even given the language barrier, I think you would have a difficult time making enemies in here. The opinions of Probably-Gonna-Be-Famous-Someday knifemakers are especially welcomed.
 
Don, and Richard, I said I emailed folks about Large images in their signature lines. Yes Don, I certainly would have privately emailed a forum member who was using a Large image of the Star of David. I emailed another guy about his use of ALL the smileys as a signature line. His posts were generally only one word. I found it annoying and told him so. I emailed Chang because is large flag was causing serious bandwidth problems. His flag was not offensive in any way. It was simply annoying to have threads refuse to load because his server was down, or slow to respond. So what? How is that WRONG? I do not get it. Calling it being a busy body is ridiculous. I care about how this forum works. Don't you?

This is NOT about religion (at least from my perspective). Mark has made this about religion. About a year ago, Mark started using a similar thumbnail picture of HIMSELF. He was told then (not by me) that it was causing bandwidth problems and that nobody really needed to see his picture everytime they looked at a thread he had posted in.

Richard, if you feel I'm meddling, fine. All I have done is explain that this is no different to me now than these issues were BEFORE I became a moderator. Have YOU never emailed anyone on the forums about their posts or their content?

Yes, I do feel a little bit of victim here. I sent the man a private email. He flipped out and has started a thread basically claiming he is leaving because someone objects to his Religion. THAT IS NOT TRUE.

What is the pattern of busy-body behavior to which you refer Richard? Please cite examples. A statement like that really needs to be supported. If you do not want to post publically about it, please email me. I can not learn and change unless I know what is wrong.

I agreed to moderate this forum because I thought I could do the job and because I CARE. But the chat room crowd has repeatedly tested me (that includes you buddy), and has leveled some pretty harsh criticisms about my locking threads that I really did (and still do) think needing locking. If you want to have a free for all forum, get Timmy to moderate general.

Richard, you sadden me. I thought we were friends. But I guess not. You should know by now that I am quite capable of being offensive, and am not really interested in protecting people from being offended. I have many times stated that I am an equal opportunity offender. I never intended to 'meddle'. I think that is a very cheap shot. Thank-you for your consideration.

I am tired of defending my behavior in this forum. I am only doing what I think is right and asking for some help from folks. I do not expect everyone to agree with me, but if every action I take is going to be questioned, or ridiculed, then **** it. I do not need this job to validate myself, or to pump up my ego.

If you will search up my posts, you will see that most of them ARE NOT about moderating. I think I may answer more direct knife questions than almost any other forum member. Nobody complains about those posts.

One last time, this is not about RELIGION AT ALL. It is about Mark 'leaving' because I objected to the rather large image he was using. If it had been his FACE, instead of the crosses, I doubt very much that so many of you would be here attacking me, or defending him.

Paracelsus, really tired of this ****

 
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