Knives- What is the big deal?

Nothing really, as a concept the knife has remained fairly standard since its invention thousands of years ago. It started with a sharpened rock, then someone fashioned a handle for it so they wouldn't cut themselves, then they used bronze, then iron, then steel. Knives went from being carried in a sheath to being carried in a pocket but throughout history the concept has the remained the same, Sharp part and a handle to safely hold the sharp part. The knife as a concept has evolved rather slowly but with the advent of mass production it became easy to manufacture knives in large volumes and with recent advances in chemistry and metallurgy knives now feature all kinds of different steels, are made from all sorts of materials and are available in large quantities. When you have such a large surplus you consume more meaning more knives more collectors. Everyone has stated good points about our love for knives, We love em, they are available in mass quantities in all sorts of configurations and that's why you have a safe full of knives and powernoodle has a giant heap of knives and why I bought my 15th knife this month. Okay scratch that powernoodle is just crazy :P or maybe we all are.....but at least we collect cool things
 
If you could bottle the force that propels many of us to continue our propensity to buy more knives, you'd have magic in a container. Drop by drop, you could turn any normal person into a raging addict. A lot of the quest has to do with the idea/concept that what we currently have is antiquated, inferior or in some way not as good as the latest, greatest thing to whistle down the pike. The culture of selling tells us that we need another item when we clearly don't. And yes, my grandfather would have said that we've clearly become slaves to marketing ploys. All he ever had was a few old carbon knives and two well worn second hand axes. He would not dream of forking over $500 for ANY piece of cutlery!

As I have mentioned before, you don't get rid of an addiction, you transfer it. The impetus is just shifted away or redirected from the former source of attention or attraction. There is not any real 'end' to the problem due to the fact that humans are by nature never in a total state of satisfaction. The primary elements of the horrific hoarding behavior are tantamount to saying that the afflicted loves and seeks to be in close proximity to the items he/she loves or even worships. This sheds light on the behavior of many collectors who have boxes or shelves of knives that are neatly tucked away (but always close at hand) for the occasional day when they will open up the collection, usually by themselves, for an infusion of visual delight. The control is a type of power rush. The addict hoards his Busse, Strider and custom collections while he uses an inexpensive kitchen knife he bought at Aldi's for every imaginable task at hand. Those poor fellows who have lost a grasp of reality feature homes where EVERY available drawer in the kitchen (and many other locations in the house) are filled to the brim with all manner of cutlery while there are no signs of any forks or spoons. There is a conspicuous lack of balance.

Some hoarding behavior may be the result of a lack of parental love or attention during the formative years. Whatever the etiology of the addiction, it can be serious and exceedingly disruptive and deadly. I'd venture to say that some of us have the basic ingredients for being full blown hoarders but we are kept in check by spouses or the confines of space/money or the fear that others will judge us if they get wind of our issues.

As was previously mentioned by Powernoodle, this basic mechansim (hoarding) is a coping strategy akin to a mental crutch. It is a vain attempt to repair damage that was caused during childhood, trauma usually inflicted by care givers or selfish parents. I invite you to look up my other posts and ramblings on addictions should you really desire to study this predicament while having a few laughs and sobs in the process.

We can try to pick out the elements of hoarding and attempt to define them. The hassle arises when we find out that, even though we understand the causes of this problem, we can't seem to find relief or grasp that illusive platform of sensible behavior that would make life so much more organized, profitable and content.
 
As a member of several gear specific forums I came to realize that each forum paddles a self perpetuated mass hysteria that sucks in newbies and old timers alike and causes them to accumulate knives (bladeforums) flashlights (candlepowerforums) shaving brushes and straight razors (badger & blade) camping and survival gear (bushcraftusa and a host of other bushcraft, survival, prepper forums) guns ... you got the idea.
 
At its very core, it about manly men with manly toys doing manly things. One thing I have noticed is that my collection of knives keeps getting bigger not in volume but in the size of the knives. I started with a Shun Gentlemans folder and picked up a few misc small folders and a Leatherman Surge and then a Zero Tolerance 0350 then a ZT 0560 then a ZT 0300 then a Grayman Satu.

I drive an oversized SUV i dont need, at one point I had a big boat I didn't need, I've got not one, but two big dogs. I like to watch Rambo type movies and survival shows on Discovery Chanel. I enjoy life and I love my toys, but I have a good perspective and know the difference between reality and fantasy. I am not a survivalist, a fanatic or an extremist.

Collecting knives, in my opinion is a healthy outlet which is normal unless or until you cross the line and begin to see yourself as and or actually become dangerous which of course is a potential that resides deep within us all. Perhaps it is just that inner struggle we all face to keep things real and sane and still live in a world surrounded by violence which ironically may just be the appeal of collecting knives to begin with.
 
I carry knives because they are useful. I buy customs because of the craftsmanship. I have many different ones because there is such a wide variety of styles which is indicative of the many uses for a knife. My typical edc when I'm at home is 5-6" OAL. My typical edc when at work is 6-9". My typical edc when camping or hiking is... well... Typically carrying multiples - a SAK, decent bushcraft and sometimes a chopper. This, I think, reflects what I am trying to be prepared for. My coworkers don't carry knives and bust my balls about the knives I carry(decent sized fixed blades). They also borrow my knives on the job constantly. They are versatile and useful. Why have so many? Oh... Umm... Because I'm a little off.
 
I read somewhere that the act of collecting things was a psychological disorder attempting to overcompensate for something. So... we're all nuts with little nuts.

I think there may be some truth to this.

And I think powernoodle may hve a handle on it as well. There's lots of reasons to collect things, the particular item collected may differ because of what the root cause is. I know I used to collect a ridiculous amount of knives, guns, and stuff in general in my younger days. Then it reached a peak, and I downsized big time. I just woke up one day, looked at all the s--t I had collected, and asked myself what the hell was I doing? Gt rid of most all of it. Customs, both knives and guns, all went.

Looking back on it, it was like I was in the grip of some sort of insanity. It only faded when I became a family man, and I had kids and then grandkids. Like I reached someplace where I felt at home, and didn't need all the junk to occupy my mind. I still love knives, and would soon as go out without my pants on than without a knife. But something happened to regulate it back to a sort of past time. A minor hobby that doesn't get out of hand. I keep a handful of knives around, and my new rule is; one in-one out.

A knife is part of man's ancient heritage. It helped man adapt to a hostile environment and make skins into clothing, process food from animals and plants, build shelters. A knife of some sort is used every day to help man survive even in our urban life. Butchers process those steaks for dinner, construction workers who built your house used Sliding blade Stanley utility knives to strip wire, trim insulation, open packages or cut off the ends of culking tubes to seal openings. A cutting tool is vital even in the city, because emergencys happen. Like the old lady in Boston who choked to death because her scarf got caught in the escalator and nobody had a knife.

But while a knife is a needed item, even though most of society does not think so, we don't need to go over board like we do. Lets face it, we're nuts, or we wouldn't be on a knife forum. Any decent quality pocket knife would serve us well, and we sure don't need Busse or Randall knives to dress a deer or take on a picnic. We like the Busse and Randall's because we're knife knuts. Heavy on the nuts. Most of society thinks we're nuts and they are right. Who else would spend what we spend on knives that are not needed, or even practical?

It's the same with gun nuts, car nuts, or any collector who goes over board accumulating amounts of things that will never be used, just collected and fondled. When a 30 to 40 dollar Buck knife will serve you for most anything and will last you the rest of your life if taken care of, why do we spend money on something costing five or seven times as much, and then buy multibles of similar items?

There may an uncomfortable amount or truth in what Sufler says. We're nuts. On the other hand, while we may be nuts, basically we're harmless. It's not like we're collecting anything really dangerous to society at large, like King cobra's or rattle snakes, or vials of anthrax. As long as it's not so out of control that our kids are going hungry because daddy spent the grocery money on a new knife. Yet on still another hand, I'm very sure that fat lady I crawled into an upside down Datsun 210 to cut her seatbelt loose with a pocket knife was glad somebody had a knife. So at least our obsession has an upside that's a very useful upside. At times like that, we good nuts to have around.

Are we nuts? Sure. But at least it's a useful kind of nuts sometimes.

Carl.
 
The reason why I collect knives is because there's so many good knives that I don't have yet and plus I remember ever since I was a lil kid everybody carried a knife so that's how I got interested in knives.
 
Drawer full of knives is better than a yard full of rusting junker car projects (insert hobby/compulsion) :p

That said I typically develop, educate, and 'satisfy' my hobbies.

Years ago I wanted to learn about computers. I read, read, and read some more and have since built several generations of my home computer, upgrading it as technology became obsolescent.

Then I developed an interest in photography. I read, read, and read some more and started assembling a camera and lens collection that would meet my needs and later taught a beginning photography class at the local community college.

Next was flashlights. I read, read, and read some more then collected a range from heavy-high powered ones, to small pocketable customs and felt I was set. That was until my favorite EDC failed at the switch which is now out of production. So the researching started again and I have a new replacement on order. (naturally the one I want is from a company where, due to manufacturer problems, some customers have been waiting nine months since January for their light)

Knives have been my latest interest and I have since purchased three. Spyderco Paramilitary 2 EDC, Busse Team Gemini Light Brigade competition finish with black G10 scales, and Victorinox Cybertool 41 belt carried at work. Ok also a Spyderco bug since it was cheap, cute, and I was already paying shipping for the Para2. I don't really feel a need to get more knives at this point and have been developing my hand sharpening skill. I feel that the Para2 is a great tool which is a user and that getting another Spyderco such as a Military or Manix etc would introduce too much overlap in functionality.

My three knives fill three roles, larger fixed blade, EDC pocket folder, and knife-based multi tool.

I supposed I may feel an unfilled void as I have looked needily at a Hinderer XM-18 and Lion Steel SR-1.
 
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Like guns, flashlights and multitools, they allow us to manipulate our environments, rather than be manipulated by them.



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As I have brilliantly noted before, for many of us - me included - knives serve as a temporary distraction from our subconscious inner turmoil. Some people use drugs, others cigs or alcohol or internet porn. We use knives. The planning, the online reviews, the hunt, the purchase, the staring at the mailbox and the opening - they each anesthetize us from the worries and turmoil and angst that are part of being human. So for a short while, we are distracted. When the distraction quickly fades, we start looking for the next knife or MT or whatever, and the process starts over. This is how many of us end up with dozens of knives. Its why we sit there and flip our knife open 9000 times while watching Sportscenter. The brain is focused on the thwack, as it would otherwise be reverting to the angst. For us, knives are comfort food for the brain.

This is the basic mechanism at play in all of hoarding. Its variants including crazy collecting, survivalism, extreme couponing, etc.

Not everyone who buys knives excessively can be characterized in this manner, but I think it is true for the vast majority.

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What else can explain this but the action of deep, unseen psychological forces at play?


You betcha, an addiction for sure. A harmless one and it can be a relatively inexpensive one.
 
I ask myself this question all the time. My answers with as little BSing myself as possible are:
1. I'm constantly looking for the "best" knife under certain criteria.
2. I usually have at least two (but carry one) high end folders in case I lose/break one (CRK, Strider or the like). Same with "Mexico" or -loseable- knives (USA made Spyderco, Benchmade). Same with fixed blade knives (ESEE or similar).

As far as feeling "naked" without a high end knife? I will admit that there is an unhealthy aspect. I can say that it is me "being prepared" but it's only part of the story. I can say that I prefer the smaller carry of a folder but want something that is as close to a fixed blade as possible but that's only part of the story. I like and appreciate the moving mechanism. I appreciate certain designs. I appreciate certain materials - the way they feel, the way they sound, the way they look, the way they are assembled & their weight or lack of. Add to that that it is an exceptional tool & I will/may buy & carry it. I would not buy/carry a $400 neato mechanical keychain. I don't wear any jewelry. I have to have a useful factor.
 
I ask I would not buy/carry a $400 neato mechanical keychain. I don't wear any jewelry. I have to have a useful factor.

Indeed the useful factor. Not a jewelry fan myself here, and what I could see myself become interested in is a fine watch. That is a good addition. Knife, flashlight, compact carry gun, watch, phone. All useful, all can be expensive and/or highly crafted and sought after in their respective categories.
 
I bought several traditionals as a kid back in the '70s, then completely lost interest in knives for a number of years. Although I always felt a use for them, and carried a Victorinox Spartan when I moved to Taiwan for the better part of a decade. I actually got back into knives in the late '90s. Both modern and traditional knives. I started accumulating a LOT of knives, averaging perhaps one a month, sometimes more. I had become addicted.

A few years ago, I simply found there were some knives I carried and used constantly, and others I didn't. And although I always had other interests as well, during the past few years, I've developed even more interests. I no longer have the compulsion to pick up every knife I think looks cool or practical. I won't lie, I will still buy a knife once in a blue moon, but when I see or hear of something I might want, I hold off on it. Not a few days, but more like MONTHS. I can now go years without buying a new knife. This is critical. Oftentimes, you find that when you hold off, the compulsion to pull the trigger goes away; you realize you don't really want it as much as you had thought. So, although I will occasionally, rarely, purchase a new knife, I can honestly say that I'm in control, and no longer addicted.

OTOH, why do women accumulate so many shoes?

I remember reading somewhere that a certain famous Hollywood actor was so addicted to spending that he was purchasing castles, mansions, and other properties, cars, etc., etc., all over the world. Even an island or islands somewhere. Many of which he never even visited. As a result, he was in financial trouble. If that isn't a full-blown addiction, I don't know what is.

Jim
 
Hoarding has been mentioned a couple of times, and addiction.
I propose that there is a chemical element, like the high experienced
by a casino gambler.

Bits of sharpened metal.
 
I read somewhere that the act of collecting things was a psychological disorder attempting to overcompensate for something. So... we're all nuts with little nuts.

I enjoy knives for the simple diversity that they represent. Most everyday items have a tendency to coalesce around a proven or popular design, just look around and everything seems to look the same or have similar specs, if it weren't for the brand tag you would be hard pressed to identify appliances, vehicles, and most everything else. In short most things have grown tired, true and boring. But, knives are not and have never been like that, there has always been a wide range of variation and creativity. It is one of the small areas where we are still given the ability to use a tool that truely reflect our personality and meets our specific needs, and beyond that, these same characteristics allow collectors to build interesting collections.

n2s
 
Chicks like big diamonds.

Meh.

The only diamonds I have are all crushed up.

I would have said, shoes, but then, I have a lot of shoes...
 
I would have never believed some of the answers that I've read on here. You guys/gals couldn't have put the answer any better then you have already.
 
Most of my friends humor me but I realize they understand something is wrong in my head just as much as I do.

Hahaha I can relate. I've made a point of telling most of my better friends that I know I have a problem and that I don't care.

For me, knife hunting has all but replaced the pointless Facebook wandering that I know we all can admit to at one point or another. Lo and behold! I still have all my friends WITHOUT a daily visit to Facebook.
 
Knives are just cool.
The rest is just psychological mumbo-jumbo, and can be safely ignored.:thumbup:
 
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As was previously mentioned by Powernoodle, this basic mechansim (hoarding) is a coping strategy akin to a mental crutch. It is a vain attempt to repair damage that was caused during childhood, trauma usually inflicted by care givers or selfish parents. ....

Yes, we can call it a mental illness, but that would be a meaningless cop-out. We all know that life is finite and we are all driven to try to define some meaning in it for ourselves. For some the solution may involve drowning the urge in drugs, alcohol, women, or thrill seaking sports. For others it may be more a sedate interests in raising a family, careers or following a specific team or band. But, for the true collector, life revolves around a need and desire to organize that which surrounds us, our collections are organized by makers, materials, date of manufacture, types, variations and what have you. It is an intellectual pursuit, which is very similar to and likely derived into what we have come to know as the scientific process. Library, museums, like labratory data are complied by people who have a natural desire and curiosity to organize vast amounts of data in order to seek to extract some hidden truth. Collectors have the raw where-with-all to drive progress, we use things to learn about our past, and can use what we have learned to inspire creativity in the future.

n2s
 
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