knives with hardcore framelocks?

sogflash

sogflash

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I have a few linerlock knives, but I don't trust the lock. the only thing I like is that it's easy to handle with one hand. framelocks looks like they can take more force before they fail.

so could you share with me some knives with hardcore, sturdy and easy to operate framelocks?
 
Looks are not everything. Frame locks are not inherently stronger than liner locks. Both can be made well...or poorly.

In general with frame locks, the concept of "easy to operate" and "hardcore" do not go together. The cutout on the opposing scale is made smaller on many knives to prevent accidental disengagement, however this also makes them harder to operate.

Have you had a lock fail? What on? Knowing what your needs are may assist others in leading you in the right direction. I would suggest that if you have reservations about a truly well made liner lock failing, you really need to skip straight to a fixed blade with the understanding that even a fixed blade can fail.
 
Maybe you can define "hardcore" for us. Is that like more than "extreme" but less than "radical"?
 
sogflash said:
I have a few linerlock knives, but I don't trust the lock. the only thing I like is that it's easy to handle with one hand. framelocks looks like they can take more force before they fail.

so could you share with me some knives with hardcore, sturdy and easy to operate framelocks?
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I am no expert on framelocks because I don't own any. I do tend to agree with Unit however regarding the fact that both framelocks and linerlocks can fail and also that a better idea of what you want to use it for would help us steer you in the right direction.

Personally, I have many linerlocks and have never had one fail.... I have also never used one for batoning or as a prybar because I know the limitations of folding knives.

All that said, the frame lock I am most interested in is the Combative Edge M1. It looks like a well built knife albeit a little expensive (at least for my budget).
 
check out the Dpx Hest folder lock. if by hardcore you mean a thick as hell one, you cant go wrong with the Hest.
 
+1 on the HEST. Just picked one up, It's a beast of blade with a huge titanium lock.
 
sogflash said:
I have a few linerlock knives, but I don't trust the lock. the only thing I like is that it's easy to handle with one hand. framelocks looks like they can take more force before they fail.

so could you share with me some knives with hardcore, sturdy and easy to operate framelocks?
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Legitimate questions for you: What exactly are you doing with your knives that you would not trust the lock, and require something more substantial? What kind of knives do you determine untrustworthy? Are your needs that extreme? Anyway, Strider, Hinderer, ZT, Chris Reeve, Lion Steel they make solid frame lock knives.

marcinek said:
Maybe you can define "hardcore" for us. Is that like more than "extreme" but less than "radical"?
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Good point.
 
Spyderco Military and Sage 2 aren't bad. Maybe not as hardcore as you want, but they are reliable and easy to operate.
 
You should take framelock lock-bar cutouts into consideration--often times they are cut as thin or thinner than a liner lock, and are made of titanium (which has a lower strength/volume ratio than steel).

I'd suggest a Sebenza, though I'm not too sure that it fits in too well with the whole Madball/Agnostic Front scene...
 
There was this one knife on neptuneknives channel and had a titanium frame lock where the contact point with the blade was carbonized to prevent it from wearing down. There for almost impossible to get lock rock.
 
The cut out on the HEST lock bar is huge. I don't think that it would would be much stronger than some of the better liner lock knives.
If you want a really strong knife look at the TriAd lock.
If you want a TI frame lock, understand that they just aren't the strongest folders around.
 
unit said:
Looks are not everything. Frame locks are not inherently stronger than liner locks. Both can be made well...or poorly.

In general with frame locks, the concept of "easy to operate" and "hardcore" do not go together. The cutout on the opposing scale is made smaller on many knives to prevent accidental disengagement, however this also makes them harder to operate.

Have you had a lock fail? What on? Knowing what your needs are may assist others in leading you in the right direction. I would suggest that if you have reservations about a truly well made liner lock failing, you really need to skip straight to a fixed blade with the understanding that even a fixed blade can fail.
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dcmartin said:
+1 on the HEST. Just picked one up, It's a beast of blade with a huge titanium lock.
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mantzao said:
check out the Dpx Hest folder lock. if by hardcore you mean a thick as hell one, you cant go wrong with the Hest.
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I have nothing against anyone or any knife...but I really want to convey the point bolded in my post above!

do a search on "hest folder fail".

It may be a fantastic knife (I really do not know since I have never even held one), but the search results should illustrate something;)
 
sogflash said:
I have a few linerlock knives, but I don't trust the lock. the only thing I like is that it's easy to handle with one hand. framelocks looks like they can take more force before they fail.

so could you share with me some knives with hardcore, sturdy and easy to operate framelocks?
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It looks like it can take more force before they fail, but a quick look at the cutout will tell the full story.

I wouldn't let a linerlock deter you from buying a knife. Though if you're doing something that will cause a framelock to fail, I would suggest a nice sturdy fixed blade with a full tang instead.
 
The problem with liner-locks isn't that they fail in that the liner deforms or snaps, the problem is that they "slip" off the tang under pressure on the spine. I'll trust a CRKT frame-lock over several popular and much more expensive liner-locks. In a tight hammer grip, your hand wont allow a frame-lock to slip, unless you twist the handle in an odd way.
But with the avaibility of the Axis and Triad, and perhaps compression lock and others, there's not much need to debate liner and frame-lock in my opinion.
 
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