Knives you overestimated

I forgot to add to my earlier post:
Case SS Trapper... wanted to like this knife so much, but it never would take an edge. It looks older and worn more than any other knife I own simply through endless sharpening. I've hand-sharpened, and I've tried on THREE different fixed sharpening systems and still wouldn't get more than a butter knife edge. Now, I've got a SS Large Stockman that you can shave with, so I know it's not just that "Tru-sharp" that Case uses.
Queen Cutlery Canoe: Same thing, different steel... endless sharpening with zero results. The knife looks great, but that's about it.

Reprofile that bad boy. Take that nasty obtuse angle back. My three are great anyway. The one in real stag was the only one that came with decent angles and edges and that one was totally excellent and held the edges well. Heck maybe return yours for another. Like you said it is possible to have Case SS perform well.

I'm only saying this because IMO the handle shape is so good it is worth fighting for.
 
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Whoa, KOD! There are some mighty popular knifes that are described on that list. I do agree that some are overrated, but no more so than much of the knife market these days.

I've been through so many folding knives it's not funny. I've only kept 10 of them (not including a traditional and an SAK). One of those I will get around to selling one of these days. The other knives were as expected or more so.
 
My worst disapointment so far was when i first got into knives. I purchased a crkt (cant even remember the model) and while i didnt understand at the time reaally now i know that the reason it sucked was for a god awefull hest treat. Damn thing would get dull after a single slice in cardboard
 
I also greatly overestimated assisted opening knives. I thought they were the coolest thing because they flicked open so fast, but then I got one and realized that they're actually pretty stupid. They're noisy, and have some resistance to close them that I don't like.
I can commiserate. I thought AO was going to be awesome until I actually used some. Now I wouldn't touch one for free.
 
The Neeley SA9, which is a 9.5" version of the SA. That knife was very little sharper at the edge than at the spine (not really an exaggeration), and despite this, the 440C edge still crumbled(!)... I had dreamed about this SA knife for over 30 years, thinking for all that time that it was the best thing ever... Brutal awakening, just brutal...

The second overestimated thing was not a knife but everything I ever owned in S30V, including a $2000 custom and a Gerber Mark II anniversary dagger: Both behaved exactly the same and the edge micro-folded at the slighted effort, including the dagger's factory edge slicing on cardboard... CPM-154 was the same as S30V while chopping wood, so I can only assume micro-folding is normal when chopping any wood at below 20 degrees per side with CPM steels...

Gaston
 
The Neeley SA9, which is a 9.5" version of the SA. That knife was very little sharper at the edge than at the spine (not really an exaggeration), and despite this, the 440C edge still crumbled(!)... I had dreamed about this SA knife for over 30 years, thinking for all that time that it was the best thing ever... Brutal awakening, just brutal...

The second overestimated thing was not a knife but everything I ever owned in S30V, including a $2000 custom and a Gerber Mark II anniversary dagger: Both behaved exactly the same and the edge micro-folded at the slighted effort, including the dagger's factory edge slicing on cardboard... CPM-154 was the same as S30V while chopping wood, so I can only assume micro-folding is normal when chopping any wood at below 20 degrees per side with CPM steels...

Gaston
Sounds like you've either had some seriously bad luck with s30v, or you're putting it through tasks it shouldn't do at angles that aren't meant for the task. I'm guessing it's more due to bad luck. But chopping wood at angles lower than 20 degrees will always open doors for edge issues. I've put quite a bit of s30v through its paces and not had these issues. There were some over heated edges on some Spydies with s30v back in the day but after a sharpen they were good to go with no micro chipping.
 
Sounds like you've either had some seriously bad luck with s30v, or you're putting it through tasks it shouldn't do at angles that aren't meant for the task. I'm guessing it's more due to bad luck. But chopping wood at angles lower than 20 degrees will always open doors for edge issues. I've put quite a bit of s30v through its paces and not had these issues. There were some over heated edges on some Spydies with s30v back in the day but after a sharpen they were good to go with no micro chipping.


Not micro-chipping but micro-folding, which you can't see unless you rub your nail and it grabs some material off of it on one side only.

As you say, Micro-rolling, and other troubles, are common when chopping wood below 20 per side (around 15 per side is about where I go for chopping, and about half the knives I own fail being trouble-free chopping at that angle: This quite independent of price!), but micro-rolling should appear only slowly, after 30-50 hits, in a very thin depth, and with only a little nail grab that is not completely continuous but "stutters".

All CPM steels I ever tried micro-roll instantly and severely (almost visible by eye) on the very first few hits on wood, even on a very thick 0.040"-0.050" edge base, and even at near 20 degree angles... An RJ Martin Raven was like that, and so was another custom maker in CPM-154. A Gerber 70th anniversary Mk II dagger in S30V had instant and solid micro-folding from slicing the 1/16" thin cardboard of an Evian water bottle box, with the dagger's barely retouched factory edge (but it is a near-zero edge from the factory, so fairly thin even with my added micro-bevel)... I saw this same kind of "slicing" micro-folding on the same cardboard from a cheap Kershaw folder as well...

The reason chips are always mentioned as failures is because people can actually see them...: They don't really see micro-folding, and to be honest it can't really be felt while cutting until you slice phonebook paper: On CPM stainless it probably just hangs on forever, but it does create drag on the cut, even if it still cuts. In most cases it probably just leans and leans and continues to cut in this condition, getting worse and taller until sharpening removes it, but never breaking or wearing off from actual use... Only rubbing the nail can really detect it, and people tend to assume failure is by micro-chipping alone... Even good steel, like 440C, D-2 or Japanese treated Aus-6/Aus-8, will micro-roll a little after a fair amount of hard use at 15 per side: The difference is the speed, the continuity and especially the tallness of the micro-fold, compared to what I saw in CPM steels when chopping...

The tallness of the roll is the biggest problem (when it grabs a lot of nail shavings) , NOT the cutting performance loss, because of the height it takes to erase the roll, which means your edge geometry opens up faster. It is not really an edge performance loss issue, but a geometry height loss issue, which over time becomes a performance loss.

Note that a micro-fold is not quite a wire edge: It has no visible bent "base": It is more like a smooth "orientation" of the apex, which is why it does not break off like a wire edge, but instead becomes taller and taller with use, as the "bend" curls deeper and deeper into the edge, often until it becomes visible without nail shavings.

Gaston
 
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I can commiserate. I thought AO was going to be awesome until I actually used some. Now I wouldn't touch one for free.
The one positive about them is that basically an cheapo 5$ assisted opener will tell you everything you need to know about AO in general.
Granted there's always a good and bad make of any sort of knife, but you'll get a good feel for the assisted opening concept.
 
Somebody mentioned the Buck 110 getting loose, same thing happened to me and then I bought a new 110 last year and the new one came very good, never loosened up. I guess it's a hit & miss with some 110's......But the 110 I bought last year for only 17 dollars on sale is a good knife for the price I paid.
 
Not micro-chipping but micro-folding, which you can't see unless you rub your nail and it grabs some material off of it on one side only.

As you say, Micro-rolling, and other troubles, are common when chopping wood below 20 per side (around 15 per side is about where I go for chopping, and about half the knives I own fail being trouble-free chopping at that angle: This quite independent of price!), but micro-rolling should appear only slowly, after 30-50 hits, in a very thin depth, and with only a little nail grab that is not completely continuous but "stutters".

All CPM steels I ever tried micro-roll instantly and severely (almost visible by eye) on the very first few hits on wood, even on a very thick 0.040"-0.050" edge base, and even at near 20 degree angles... An RJ Martin Raven was like that, and so was another custom maker in CPM-154. A Gerber 70th anniversary Mk II dagger in S30V had instant and solid micro-folding from slicing the 1/16" thin cardboard of an Evian water bottle box, with the dagger's barely retouched factory edge (but it is a near-zero edge from the factory, so fairly thin even with my added micro-bevel)... I saw this same kind of "slicing" micro-folding on the same cardboard from a cheap Kershaw folder as well...

The reason chips are always mentioned as failures is because people can actually see them...: They don't really see micro-folding, and to be honest it can't really be felt while cutting until you slice phonebook paper: On CPM stainless it probably just hangs on forever, but it does create drag on the cut, even if it still cuts. In most cases it probably just leans and leans and continues to cut in this condition, getting worse and taller until sharpening removes it, but never breaking or wearing off from actual use... Only rubbing the nail can really detect it, and people tend to assume failure is by micro-chipping alone... Even good steel, like 440C, D-2 or Japanese treated Aus-6/Aus-8, will micro-roll a little after a fair amount of hard use at 15 per side: The difference is the speed, the continuity and especially the tallness of the micro-fold, compared to what I saw in CPM steels when chopping...

The tallness of the roll is the biggest problem (when it grabs a lot of nail shavings) , NOT the cutting performance loss, because of the height it takes to erase the roll, which means your edge geometry opens up faster. It is not really an edge performance loss issue, but a geometry height loss issue, which over time becomes a performance loss.

Note that a micro-fold is not quite a wire edge: It has no visible bent "base": It is more like a smooth "orientation" of the apex, which is why it does not break off like a wire edge, but instead becomes taller and taller with use, as the "bend" curls deeper and deeper into the edge, often until it becomes visible without nail shavings.

Gaston

When will you stop blaming knife steels and take responsibility for messing up a perfectly good edge geometry by putting 15dps fillet knife style angles on them?

Try leaving them at the knifemakers desired edge angle and consider using them on a different species of wood. Chopping into dense or frozen material will damage nearly any edge or steel if you do it enough times.
 
It was whatever the earlier steel was, maybe a2? It is not marked, and I got it 6 plus years ago. Maybe even as much as 8 years ago.
 
Cold Steel for me...I've tried several models thinking I would like them based on reviews, pics etc...but they just don't do it for me. The 2 I have left are stored in vehicles as "just in case" blades.
 
Sage 3. I love my Sage 1 and I love the axis lock system so I had to own a 3.

The 3 was slightly larger and thicker than the 1, was an enclosed design the the bolt action was clunky as hell.

I let it go for a song. Only Spyderco I was ever really disappointed in.
 
When???? NEVER!!


When will you stop blaming knife steels and take responsibility for messing up a perfectly good edge geometry by putting 15dps fillet knife style angles on them?

Try leaving them at the knifemakers desired edge angle and consider using them on a different species of wood. Chopping into dense or frozen material will damage nearly any edge or steel if you do it enough times.
 
BUCK 110- too heavy to ride in pocket. Don't like folder holsters. This was a long time ago. If it would have came with a pocket clip I might've felt differently.

PM2- really wanted to like this one but didn't fit my hand. Prefer the GB2.

TECHNO- best f&f on any knife I've ever owned. Too heavy and blade too thick. Prefer the Chaparral.

BM710- still can't figure why I didn't like this knife. Too big? I don't know. Just didn't feel right. Prefer the GB2.

Framelocks, flippers and bearings

Folders with 4" or larger blades
 
I also greatly overestimated assisted opening knives. I thought they were the coolest thing because they flicked open so fast, but then I got one and realized that they're actually pretty stupid. They're noisy, and have some resistance to close them that I don't like.
They're sometimes stiff to open too. I have an assisted CRKT Hissatsu folder that was extremely hard to open when I got it, due to the spring tension. The good thing about that knife is that the AO construction is really simple and easy to remove and since I did that, the knife opens like a dream.
 
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This actually is the worst disapointment ive had. This thing sells for 210$ (cad) which is the same price as a pm2 s110v.
This thing has no detent whatsoever. The fit is okay, finish is terrible (scratches and discoloration on the blade) uneven anodizing poor thumbstud placement. Poor handle shape coupled with the slick aluminium makes it nearly impossible to get a good grip on it.
Edit: i forgot to mention, this thing is on cheap teflon washers!

Worth the same as a pm2 s110v? Not in a million years.
 
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Difficult question, I am quite picky when it come to choosing knives and I do a lot of research before buying anything new

However I think the ZT0562, the Emerson Horseman, the Extrema ratio BF1CT, the small sebenza 21 with micarta inlays have been disappointment for me

The hinderer grip and blade geometry of the ZT0562 are just not for me

The pivot and fêtent on my Horseman were nothing compared nvincing for me

The la net lock of the ER BF1CT is correct but nothing true to their hard use military style marketing... and since I tested them I don't like tantos:)

The look of the small 21 with inlays seems strange I prefer the look of the plain ti
It works good on my small insingo but I préfère the small 21 with regular blade without the inkays
 
Seki Cut Haru Lum Encounter.

Sliced me open... will not stay closed

Fast forward to 1:25 if interested

 
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