Knock Offs and what I am doing about it.......Part II

Here are links to HUGE images so you can get a close up and identify any of your knives or friends knives.

I will get a bunch more when I can.

Click Here for SUPER high res pics!
Remember the images in the above link are from this past weekend and all are from Joy's booth.

I did not get any from Master Cutlery's booth as I did something more fun. But if i can work it out with Master Cutlery tomorrow I will let you know. Right now I want my designers taken care of and that will cost them $$$

BTW In all fairness I think she had a contract with Mike Franklin on the Hawg knives. I am not sure what is going on with that but she did state she did not have the money to pay royalties.
 
I just noticed the 2 black coated fixed blades next to my Kerambit are Shane Sibert's aren't they ? The Sibert Persian and the other I don't recall the model name. This sucks !
 
Mike are these knives comming from the same factory, since it looks like the DOD series that were ripped were the onces that you decided (all of us decided) were in fact knock offs so you went with monty's knives?

RDT-i knew i had seen that thing somewhere, they probably look to BF for inspiration, give em hell.

Also notice the kasper.

Mike another question, people like Joy enterprises, do they send knife designs to the factory and have them made, or does the factory decide to make these knock offs and joy decides to sell them.

If they have no money to Pay mike franklin, and then they are not making enough money, why are they still in business?
 
Grr, you beat me to it KWM.

Tried all night to find there website, but couldnt.

Here it is.

http://joyenterprises.com/login.asp

Joy also own's Fury, they used to be better. Now they knock off. They also own many others.

Good for you mike, like what I see is happening.

If you want to see some of the knockoffs Joy make, I have found a link that may let you view some. But you manually have to change the tail, and guess the link for an image. You have to be a member to have reguler service.

http://www.joyenterprises.com/emailpic/88014lg.gif

Now manually change the tail code. It's hard to find much though. For example.
http://www.joyenterprises.com/emailpic/88016lg.gif
http://www.joyenterprises.com/emailpic/88015lg.gif
http://www.joyenterprises.com/emailpic/88016lg.gif
http://www.joyenterprises.com/emailpic/88017lg.gif



Anyone find anything else, please share.
 
Out-friggin-standing! Good luck, and take them down Mike.
 
Good luck in your fight!

This is not the first time I have heard a story like this. Intellectual property legislation and its enforcement in China is nearly nonexistant. Many manufacturers seeking cheap prices for tooling and assembly in China have found their products copied and brought to market at the same time as (if not before) the "Originals". These deceptive companies are harmful to all industries. Hopefully your fight is just one of the first salvos in a worldwide fight for fair trade practices!
 
Mike - my hats off to you for going after scums like Joy and Master.

Yes, they are thieves...stealing designs that are simply not theirs. I did stop by the Joy booth at SHOT and was simply sick to recognize how many designs they produced...that were of knives that I am familiar with and personally know the designer/knifemaker. And on top of all this, what they make is plain junk.

It is good to see someone actively going after these crooks.

I will state here now that I never will give any press in any publication or on the Internet to any company that manufactures knock offs. This is where I draw the line.

That's a great picture, Mike :D They certainly cannot deny it now.

Bastards.
 
GRRRRRR !!!!!!:mad: I would bet that they're just searching the web for designs over in China and taking them then doing business with Joy as well I would bet that Joy is not totally blameless either when it comes to stealing some designs. It's probably true of both the Chinese factory and Joy, at least to some degree. If it isn't true then at very least Joy as an American company is guilty of selling knock offs and aiding in the manufacturing of them by supporting these factories in China. WTF ! there must be some law against that, there must ! If I were bootlegging CD's by American artists in Europe or Asia and decided to start selling my bootlegs here in the U.S., you can bet your ass that I would eventually get caught and shut down. It happens every day here in NYC. Bottom line...If you want to use one of my designs for your company....FINE, just approach me and ask me, we'll make the appropriate arrangements to do so. Which means.....We (as makers and originators of the design) get PAID ! If we are not asked & compensated for our ideas and work then in my mind you breaking the law. That probably isn't very true in this case as it's China were talking about here. But there must be some way to screw Joy since they're here in the U.S. and funding illegal activity in another country. If not, then repeated intimidation and the constant persuading of potential knife enthusiasts to the world of custom knives and away from crap like they have for sale must be on our mission list....RDT
 
Mike, That's a great photo catching someone red-handed. Maybe we could take up a collection and run it as a full pager in a few of the knife magazines.

That might wake up the thieves, especially the one you caught in that photo. Her expression of GUILT is wonderful!!!!!
 
HEY EVERyone
i really want to help you out, so lets ask spark if he can make an announcment for everyone to send an email to

mail@joyenterprises.com

!!!! maybe we will cause an uproar and the people will go nuts, or there email provider will die.

also if i want to email the picture of tyhem being caught, how do i do it so they dfont open an attachment? it just shows up
 
how do i do it so they dont open an attachment?
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I don't know how to do this. But I think even if it is an attachment, it still takes up a lot of space. Especially if you send them the full size pic. A bunch of these pics might clog up an email account really fast.
 
Not that I'd reccomend doing anything like this, but if you right click on Mike's picture links, you should get a "save As", save the jpg on your hard drive somewhere.

Then start the email message and add an attachment, then find and select your saved image from the previous step.
 
Well it looks like I may be coming to a solution with Master Cutlery. I changed their web site and it seems we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

The solution will be stranger than fiction but it looks like it will happen. I will keep you informed.

As for Joy, I have no Joy on my boogie. (Military talk for those who don't know).

I have not decided on how to proceed with her yet. More news soon.
 
Im sure the Joy people and the other rip-off vultures have been made well aware of this thread. They obviously have no morals or any sense of remorse, however this is to them:

How you people sleep at night is beyond me. Reputable companies do their best to come up with designs, or they get help from custom makers to design products in an ethical agreement. But, the industry has to worry about your types who sit back and wait for some neat design to come out and say "Hey, get that one and make it". You did not do any of the leg work involved in its design...you simply steal others work. How can you then look at yourself in the mirror and not get sick? What a bunch of lowlifes.

Mike, I think you deserve an award for catching the theif in that photo...that is great. The look on her face is to much!!
 
More news!

Here is an email I just received.

Can you say BULL ****!
Let's look at the diatribe....

Dear Mr. Turber:

My law firm represent Joy Enterprises. Joy Enterprises had asked us to make you and your associate cease certain improper actions which have been directed at my client’s employees. To that end, we are prepared to pursue any necessary legal remedies in the state of Florida and we have arranged for local counsel to be prepared to seek appropriate legal remedies in Nevada. We have also been hired to bring appropriate legal action against you for libel and interference with my client’s business.

You and Mr. James have harassed my client’s female employees at various shows, including most recently at the Shot Show in Orlando, Florida. You have insulted my client’s employees, harassed them and made improper sexually harassing comments and gestures. Additionally, your agents have violated the rules and regulations of the shows by photographing my client’s wares and then denying to the show operators that you took photographs.

You have wrongfully and improperly stated that Joy Enterprises has violated U.S. patent laws by selling knives which you claim are protected by the patent laws. You verbally threatened my client’s female employees with criminal violations in order to try to obtain some sort of business advantage. Your threats may constitute a crime in the state of Florida, depending on the language used and the threats made.

Since the show, you have maliciously threatened my client and it’s principals of a crime with the specific stated purpose of forcing them to refrain from selling their legal products, telling them that they must “get rid of your inventory”. You have threatened them with harassment and followed through with your threat. In so doing, you have committed a felony under Florida Statutes Section 836.05. This has been reported to the authorities and has been assigned case number 03-0644.

You have also maliciously slandered and libeled my client and it’s principals. You have called them “thieves” and accused them of “knocking off” other people’s designs. Those statements are false and were intended to harm my clients’ reputations and business.

You have specifically claimed that my client has improperly copied your model number 21688, the “Mini-Raptor”. Nothing could be further from the truth. My client did not copy any design and in fact Kevin Tan designed the particular knife my client sells while David Winch designed the knife you sell. A copy of Mr. Tan’s design is enclosed. Mr. Tan’s design designation is “TG003" and has nothing to do with your product. You have claimed that your design is “patented”; my clients have never seen any design, registration or “patent” on your Mini-Raptor. I invite you to forward anything you have directly to me.

There was some questions raised about other products of my client referred to in our catalog as “TG002", “TG004" and “G001". None of these designs were copied from anyone but are the work of Mr. Tan. Copies of Mr. Tan’s design criteria for these products is also included.

Although you have apparently denied it, you violated the rules of the Orlando trade show by taking photographs of my client’s products and display area. This will be reported to the show operators.

The company you claim you own in Florida, World of Weapons, Inc., is not an active corporation listed with the state of Florida. The company was dissolved by the State of Florida because the proper filings have not been made for over four years. You are not listed by the State as an officer or director of any active company with the name WOW in it.

At any future shows, you are instructed as follows:

A. Your people will not come to the display booth operated by Joy Enterprises;
B. Your representatives will never again harass or talk to my client’s employees;
C. Your representatives will stop taking photographs in violation of the show’s rules; and
D. Any correspondence or communication concerning this matter shall be directed to me and not to my clients.

We have engaged local counsel, John Ryan, Esquire, who is prepared to take immediate and emergency steps should you appear at and act improperly at the Las Vegas show.

Your behavior is that of a schoolyard bully and I assure you that the courts in Florida and Nevada will not tolerate it. You have already greatly damaged my clients and you should stop now to avoid even more severe repercussion.

Sincerely,



John L. Bryan, Jr.
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Who the heck is this Mr Tan? And boy do they have another thing coming if they think they have a leg to stand on.
 
and how do they explain RDT's knife clone and all the others, this mr. tan must be omnipitent or something. Dont worry Mike we got your back and besides I've read this same letter before I think it's a standard form that lawyers have that they can fill in the blanks, they think that they can threaten you and that you'll just go run and cower boy are they wroung......
 
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