Knock Offs and what I am doing about it.......Part II

Personally, I don't care one iota about why Mike is doing what he is doing, or what happened in the past. All that matters is that he is doing the right thing now. It also doesn't matter to me if he is doing it for totally self serving reasons; at least he is taking a proactive stance.
 
eh.
all i can say is IF there indeed is a mr. kevin tan and he HAD made preparations to cover his ass, people are going to fall sooo flat on their faces
take it easy and don't say something you'll regret

but that's just me, ymmv
 
Knock Off King goes after clones of his clones, where on earth is the good guy anyway???

James
 
Originally posted by Keith Montgomery
Personally, I don't care one iota about why Mike is doing what he is doing, or what happened in the past. All that matters is that he is doing the right thing now. It also doesn't matter to me if he is doing it for totally self serving reasons; at least he is taking a proactive stance.
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Ditto.
 
APM,
You said,
Knock Off King goes after clones of his clones
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In case you weren't aware, none of the knives in the BOSS line are "clones". They are all original designs. No one is going after "clones of his clones". Just fyi.
 
They might not be clones and as far as Mike has told us it has been cleared up but there sure has been allot of extra drama involved surrounding WOW or Boss or provantus or MOM or SSOB or snob or whatever they are all questionable and I would bet we havent heard the last.Not by a long shot...........R
 
Originally posted by Mike Turber

I am a man of principle and of course when it suits me.
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This says it all about the problem. You are a man of principle only when it suits you.

Good luck, Mike. Don't let the door of the knife business hit you on the a$$ on the way out.
 
Brian Jones, Your kind of harsh. Maybe there is something I don't understand. Mike admits he has been guilty in the past, and is trying to fight to end this in the future. Sure his products are personally involved with this, but that doesn't change a common goal to end clones. Is it screw up once and your SCREWED for life type thing???? I am trying to understand the hard feelings towards Mike and his current outlook
 
TheBadGuy,

It's a classic example of a man caught with his hand in the cookie jar, now trying very publicly to extricate himself, to save his own hide, because he knows he's been caught.

A lot of investigation and backstory is behind this which I am not at liberty to share, but will come out from others soon enough (the others being respected names and companies in this business that will surprise you, amaze you, and because of their credibility -- utterly convince you).

That's the end of my commentary on this.

~B.
 
Again I guess I don't know the whole story. Thats why it seems harsh to me. I do look forward to everything being out in the open
 
The number of knockoffs on the market amaze me. The quality is zero and give the impression that name brand knives are overpriced.

I have seen Spyderco knockoffs advertising themselves to be as good as Spyerco at one fourth the price.:eek: This as anyone knows who is seriously into knives is a crock of Sh--.

The other thing that kills me about knockoffs is the names some of the companies give them. Talk about bad public relations for the legitimate knife community.

Finally people that buy them think that they are getting a bargain.
I am currently assigned to physical security and law enforcement duties here and I see lots of knockoff knives being carried by the younger troops working for me. More than one has nearly lost fingers when the lock on his $5.99 special combat folder failed.
 
Originally posted by TheBadGuy
Mike, that is funny that you took down there site. I just made a call to Master Cutlery and left a message at the 123 extension :)

(Edited to add) A Quick search on Ebay show that MTech also has some CRKT and Microtech clones as well. :rolleyes:
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I have no idea what message you are putting out here and am just curious about the roll eyes if your not being critical.Seriously what are you saying here I have read it over a few times and :confused:
 
No patent, No trademark, no case.
You intellectual property is only worth the time, effort and $$ you put into protecting it prior to selling it.
 
Originally posted by blackeye4you
I have no idea what message you are putting out here and am just curious about the roll eyes if your not being critical.Seriously what are you saying here I have read it over a few times and :confused:
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I was just reporting back that I left a message saying that the clones were BS. The rolleyes were put there becuase I can't believe some of the knives they try to clone. I hope that clears things up alittle for ya :)
 
I am nto sure what your hidden agenda is Brian but it is quite clear you have one. I am not sure what you mean by my hand being caught in a cookie jar.
Anthony may be correct as well but did not mention copyright law plays here.

Either way this plays out I will bite my tounge for the next few days while cards are still be dealt.
 
Hey, I'm with Jones on this one. Let's all distance ourselves from anything Mike Turber has been involved with personally past, present, or future. Quick, everybody close your Bladeforums accounts!!!:p
 
Patryn and Keith M make a good point. There's plenty of precedent for a villain being the one to clean up an industry. Joseph Kennedy springs immediately to mind. As that example indicates, you don't have to like or respect the person either. There's considerable hypocrisy in that, certainly, but that's the way things can occur - imperfect.

No-one with any sense could reach a properly concluded view on the basis of what has been presented here. Mr Turber shows every sign of being very confident. If that is justified then good luck to him. At law, there are non-copyright based causes of action a party could resort to in a situation like this, incidentally.

Reading this has made me stop and think how many letters like those presented here I must have seen over 20 plus years. I really don't know, but my guess would be 10,000 plus by now, maybe many more. Quite honestly, I am not meaning to be disparaging. Nor to grandstand by posting here, even. I will say though: neither one of them impresses me a great deal - each could be used to the disadvantage of the interests of the party on whose behalf they were prepared. I expect a judge would view them in much the same way also, if this ever reaches a courtroom.

Mr Turber it can and does happen that a person can succeed with a legal matter without legal representation. But, this is infrequent and is rather perilous, to say the least. I have no idea what Mr Jones is alluding to in a post above. He has however said something in an earlier one I do agree with, without any qualification:

If you are determined to proceed with this, get a lawyer. And make sure it's a good one.
 
A fight for the bottom of the market? Good luck to whom ever loses. Ooops I mean wins.
 
db, I don't see this as a fight for the bottom of the market. What is being done by these knock-off artists is theft of designs from many of the custom makers. These companies should be paying royalties or should have paid a lump some to these makers and they are therefore stealing. It sure would be nice to see something being done about this.

Anther point about this bottom of the market thing, the knives being sold by Mike may not be expensive, but they are far better than the bottom of the market crap that is being sold by Joy Enterprises/Fury Cutlery.
 
no nonsense reason to support mike.

Regardless of who mike is or what he has done here is an argument to support mike.

There will always be cheap knives, and since communism goes straight to your brain often they will be inspired by more expensive knives.

Mike is trying to bring to market knives that are not inspired by the work of people that are not being compensated, with Boss, Monty gets paid, with Boss Tom Anderson gets paid ect, as long as this is true Boss is not a knock off.

When the Boss knock offs are sold by master and joy the designers do not get paid, this is wrong, so dont buy them.

The more boss knives are produced at the factory the less of the knock off knives will be produced, this helps solve the knock off problem.

Legal action will not solve the knock off problem nor will boycotting knock off knives, since the people that buy them probably have no idea that they are knock offs.

So if we support mike designers get paid and most likely less knock offs are made.

if it turns out that making original designs is more profitable than makeing knock offs then it would seem that the trend towards legitemacy would continue, maybe we can supoort that trend.
 
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