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Please read these two posts where Mike says he never said anything bad about Dietmar and then read the post made 12-12-05 where he says that some (un-named) crime by Dietmar will "Plunge" the value of his knives If you people cannot see this as an attempt to harm Dietmar then I wonder why not.
Mike went back last month and heavily edited many of his posts, including the bottom one made in August of this year. After editing it no longer says so clearly that Dietmar is counterfieting Loveless knives. I am sure that a record exists that will show what was originaly said. But there is enough here to show his intent. The only question is why he does this and then does not have the guts to admit that he has.
Did I offer to buy some of his knives? Yes, I wanted to begin a conversation that would lead to his retracting what he was saying about Dietmar. Did I become furious? Don't be silly. Ask John Young how I acted when he told me he was too busy to make knives for me. I have been in this business for over 40 years and if I got "furious" when ever a maker would not sell me knives I would have stroked out long ago. Talk about LOL.
Posted 10-04-06
Sorry I've taken so long to respond. The wife and I were getting ready for the Spirit of steel show. It was a great time! Please understand folks, that AG has an ax to grind with me. And he isn't about to tell you the real deal when contacted. This has "NOTHING" to do with Kressler what so ever. As to what would the Loveless shop say if they knew what was being said? There wasn't anything said here inflammatory to anyone. As to what really has been said, They are very aware of it. Now to what I wanted people to look at. This isn't a Kressler Problem. It a problem we all-(Knife Makers) have. It is something we have all done at one time or another, and in all probability will do again. It is a technical thing that is so subtle that I was wondering if anyone would catch it. Any time you introduce a notch into steel, you produce a stress riser. Even if all stress is removed, with heat treat, the notch remains. Take a tree branch, and cut and bend it double. Now cut a notch into the same branch. Bend again. What happens? Now cut a notch into the other side in the same location. Would it be weaker. You bet. I see this on only the chute pictured. Notice the Loveless Chute. You have the main grind, a heavy spine, and a top, or clip grind. When grinding this area, what you are trying for is not crossing the center grind. When you do, the area directly in front of the spine is thinned significantly. The same thing happens when you grind a double edge and slip crossing the center line. The blade will be thinner at this point. This is one of the reasons a double grind is so difficult. One bad slip, and throw it away. On the Kressler, the top clip extends quite a bit below the bottom of the spine, or top of the bottom grind. If you were to look at the clip from the top of the blade, with the edge facing away from you, you would see a stair stepped effect. Much like looking at a bottle neck rifle bullet. The first third of a blade tends to get the most abuse. This is exactly where you don't want such a step down. As I said. This isn't a Kressler problem. We all have done it. I have taken a look at several other Chute Style Knives by Kressler on the net for sale, and much to Kresslers credit, this has been corrected.
Posted 10-05-06
Now as to how I feel about Kresslers Work. AG Must have miss the first part of this thread. I Love the mans work. Beautiful just begins to describe it. Precise. Clean. Elegant. What's not to love in Kresslers work. I guess when you say something good about someone it get ignored. Or at least if Mike Lovett says it. This thread was started to show the differences of the two Flavors (if you will), of Chute knives. I assumed that observations were welcome. Steve didn't get blasted for not liking the tube's for instance. I am constantly hearing Bob Loveless called many unkind names. Rude. Mean. Arrogant. (Never heard Smuck though). Nothing has ever been said bad about a detractor. Yet I voice what I observe, and I am flamed for it. Seems like I should have just as much right to an opinion here an anyone else. As to someone getting Sued. It isn't really Kressler we're talking about here is it AG? I'm not falling for it! I feel that for his own reason, AG really wants me out of the way. As to my Claiming that I was to be the next Loveless. Bull Sh-t! NO ONE Is going to be the next Loveless. Its Bob's Designs, and contributions to the knife world that makes him a Legend. Not just making knives. Many have been called the next Loveless. SR Johnson. Young. WC Johnson. Wayne Clay Kressler, Joe Cordoba and yes I've seen Lovett mentioned as well. For every ones information, Jim Merritt has been Bob's partner for many years. Bob himself will tell you that the knives that come out of the shop today are the best Loveless Knives ever made. He attributes this to JIM MERRITT!!!!!! If anyone deserves the title, It's Jim Merritt. And he could care less about titles. No matter what is said in print, insinuated or made up. Regardless of what has been said. Bob Loveless is just fine. Jim Merritt is in great health. The Loveless Shop is doing very well. If something should happen to Bob. As it does to all of us. It will be Jim Merritt making the decisions. Not me, or anyone else. AG tried to order knives from me. I informed him that due to a tremendous back log, that I was not taking orders from dealers. He was furious. I have been getting this kind of thing from him ever since. I guess you don't turn down AG. I still have the e-mails. Sometimes you have to be reminded of who is around you. And to watch your 6. I my an e-mail address posted. Mike
posted on blade forums 12-12 05
Some one sait Kressler is the next Loveless. It could have happned, but his shot at that is gone. There is a lot of controversy surrounding Kressler at the moment. Some of it came out at AKI. If it comes out publicly, the value of Kresslers may very well plunge. A shame, as he is capable of great work.
posted on blade forums 08-16-06
As I stated above, Talon, that was JW Dentons Son that was present. Thor this isn't a dumb question at all. There is much I wish I could tell you, but am not at liberty to do so. There are a lot of fakes in the book. Or Counterfeits if that is the preferred word. There are Damascus Fighters in there by Loveless. "NOT"!!! They are in there, but didn't come from the Loveless Shop. There are long bolster knives in there that are marked Loveless as well. Most are not. Make of this what you will. I'm too close to the situation to comment. Did Loveless Create the Integral Sub-hilt design? Loaded question my friend. Loveless extended friendship to Kressler, and taught him a great deal. BOB Loveless created the Sub-Hilt fighter period. Whether integral or not matters not even a little. Heck, Jimmy Lile made some very small ones years before any one even heard of D. Kressler, So did a few others.So has Verlarde. Who learned from Kressler, Who learned the style from Loveless. As did I. ( I've played with them myself). Loveless feels that they are a huge waste of material, and time. That is just the way Bob feels. But it is still a Loveless design. Kressler sells quite a few in Europe with Lovelesses name, and his, right on the blade. Check out Kresslers sight for yourself. There is at least one on there. Mike
edited the next day
Mike went back last month and heavily edited many of his posts, including the bottom one made in August of this year. After editing it no longer says so clearly that Dietmar is counterfieting Loveless knives. I am sure that a record exists that will show what was originaly said. But there is enough here to show his intent. The only question is why he does this and then does not have the guts to admit that he has.
Did I offer to buy some of his knives? Yes, I wanted to begin a conversation that would lead to his retracting what he was saying about Dietmar. Did I become furious? Don't be silly. Ask John Young how I acted when he told me he was too busy to make knives for me. I have been in this business for over 40 years and if I got "furious" when ever a maker would not sell me knives I would have stroked out long ago. Talk about LOL.
Posted 10-04-06
Sorry I've taken so long to respond. The wife and I were getting ready for the Spirit of steel show. It was a great time! Please understand folks, that AG has an ax to grind with me. And he isn't about to tell you the real deal when contacted. This has "NOTHING" to do with Kressler what so ever. As to what would the Loveless shop say if they knew what was being said? There wasn't anything said here inflammatory to anyone. As to what really has been said, They are very aware of it. Now to what I wanted people to look at. This isn't a Kressler Problem. It a problem we all-(Knife Makers) have. It is something we have all done at one time or another, and in all probability will do again. It is a technical thing that is so subtle that I was wondering if anyone would catch it. Any time you introduce a notch into steel, you produce a stress riser. Even if all stress is removed, with heat treat, the notch remains. Take a tree branch, and cut and bend it double. Now cut a notch into the same branch. Bend again. What happens? Now cut a notch into the other side in the same location. Would it be weaker. You bet. I see this on only the chute pictured. Notice the Loveless Chute. You have the main grind, a heavy spine, and a top, or clip grind. When grinding this area, what you are trying for is not crossing the center grind. When you do, the area directly in front of the spine is thinned significantly. The same thing happens when you grind a double edge and slip crossing the center line. The blade will be thinner at this point. This is one of the reasons a double grind is so difficult. One bad slip, and throw it away. On the Kressler, the top clip extends quite a bit below the bottom of the spine, or top of the bottom grind. If you were to look at the clip from the top of the blade, with the edge facing away from you, you would see a stair stepped effect. Much like looking at a bottle neck rifle bullet. The first third of a blade tends to get the most abuse. This is exactly where you don't want such a step down. As I said. This isn't a Kressler problem. We all have done it. I have taken a look at several other Chute Style Knives by Kressler on the net for sale, and much to Kresslers credit, this has been corrected.
Posted 10-05-06
Now as to how I feel about Kresslers Work. AG Must have miss the first part of this thread. I Love the mans work. Beautiful just begins to describe it. Precise. Clean. Elegant. What's not to love in Kresslers work. I guess when you say something good about someone it get ignored. Or at least if Mike Lovett says it. This thread was started to show the differences of the two Flavors (if you will), of Chute knives. I assumed that observations were welcome. Steve didn't get blasted for not liking the tube's for instance. I am constantly hearing Bob Loveless called many unkind names. Rude. Mean. Arrogant. (Never heard Smuck though). Nothing has ever been said bad about a detractor. Yet I voice what I observe, and I am flamed for it. Seems like I should have just as much right to an opinion here an anyone else. As to someone getting Sued. It isn't really Kressler we're talking about here is it AG? I'm not falling for it! I feel that for his own reason, AG really wants me out of the way. As to my Claiming that I was to be the next Loveless. Bull Sh-t! NO ONE Is going to be the next Loveless. Its Bob's Designs, and contributions to the knife world that makes him a Legend. Not just making knives. Many have been called the next Loveless. SR Johnson. Young. WC Johnson. Wayne Clay Kressler, Joe Cordoba and yes I've seen Lovett mentioned as well. For every ones information, Jim Merritt has been Bob's partner for many years. Bob himself will tell you that the knives that come out of the shop today are the best Loveless Knives ever made. He attributes this to JIM MERRITT!!!!!! If anyone deserves the title, It's Jim Merritt. And he could care less about titles. No matter what is said in print, insinuated or made up. Regardless of what has been said. Bob Loveless is just fine. Jim Merritt is in great health. The Loveless Shop is doing very well. If something should happen to Bob. As it does to all of us. It will be Jim Merritt making the decisions. Not me, or anyone else. AG tried to order knives from me. I informed him that due to a tremendous back log, that I was not taking orders from dealers. He was furious. I have been getting this kind of thing from him ever since. I guess you don't turn down AG. I still have the e-mails. Sometimes you have to be reminded of who is around you. And to watch your 6. I my an e-mail address posted. Mike
posted on blade forums 12-12 05
Some one sait Kressler is the next Loveless. It could have happned, but his shot at that is gone. There is a lot of controversy surrounding Kressler at the moment. Some of it came out at AKI. If it comes out publicly, the value of Kresslers may very well plunge. A shame, as he is capable of great work.
posted on blade forums 08-16-06
As I stated above, Talon, that was JW Dentons Son that was present. Thor this isn't a dumb question at all. There is much I wish I could tell you, but am not at liberty to do so. There are a lot of fakes in the book. Or Counterfeits if that is the preferred word. There are Damascus Fighters in there by Loveless. "NOT"!!! They are in there, but didn't come from the Loveless Shop. There are long bolster knives in there that are marked Loveless as well. Most are not. Make of this what you will. I'm too close to the situation to comment. Did Loveless Create the Integral Sub-hilt design? Loaded question my friend. Loveless extended friendship to Kressler, and taught him a great deal. BOB Loveless created the Sub-Hilt fighter period. Whether integral or not matters not even a little. Heck, Jimmy Lile made some very small ones years before any one even heard of D. Kressler, So did a few others.So has Verlarde. Who learned from Kressler, Who learned the style from Loveless. As did I. ( I've played with them myself). Loveless feels that they are a huge waste of material, and time. That is just the way Bob feels. But it is still a Loveless design. Kressler sells quite a few in Europe with Lovelesses name, and his, right on the blade. Check out Kresslers sight for yourself. There is at least one on there. Mike
edited the next day