LETS SEE THOSE MAGNIFICENT HARNESS JACKS

Thank you Lambertiana my friend- it is a HJ that is very close to me- I love this Old Knife soooo much! :) :thumbsup:

Mark- NICE!!!!! love your contributions my friend.

Thank you for the info Charlie, here is something I noticed ....... that Hudson Bay Harness Knife - A stunning HJ in every way - I was having a comparison study while I was digging for Patents, that Hudson Punch seems to be very similar and possibly share the same DNA as that beautiful Waterville, what's your opinion Charlie? Or perhaps a Remington made Punch?
Please don't be shy in telling if you don't think so :) :thumbsup:

There aren't that many Punches that have such a significant wonderfully designed deep Concave all the way through to the end of the Tang, The width of the Punch of course as you know varies depending on the Frame the Punch goes into, the Kick and Tang shape looks almost mirror image.

I'm eager to hear your thoughts Charlie, the only thing that I cant quite see properly in your scan of the Hudson on is the raised edge ( that would be exposed when knife is closed ).
On the Waterville - it has that slightly raised edge, does your lovely Hudson Bay Harness Knife have that Sir?




If I could be so cheeky to repeat your photo of your Hudson Bay Harness Knife.....

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Could I ask that one day Charlie you post a photo of the rear of the Punch please Sir? I would be interested in seeing the rear "Shoulder" shape of the Tang.
 
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waynorth said:
Sometimes threads slide so far back, the are hard to find!! In the interests of making it more reachable, here are some HJ reprints!!View attachment 1902765
Blish, Mize and Silliman!!



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Henry Sears & Son!!


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Hudson's Bay Co. !!
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Love that Hudson Bay knife!! Canadian themed.
Campbellclanman said:
Charlie, a dear Ol' friend popped by the other day, said to say hi to you.........

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How is that for a stunning looking Knife in every way!!! :eek: Long Pull with Matchstrike, Swage work to die for, Stag to die for and Punch that is outrageously awesome! Not to mention Pinched Bolsters on top of all that - for a Working Tool with all of this- this was and still is Class through and through.
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Fantastic old knife, Duncan! You said it all! I especially love the stag and the swage, but, everything you said, goes together to make a great knife.
 
A few HJ's that arrived some time ago- I thnk I may have placed some of these in the " Old Knives" Thread...

Enderes, Not a Manufacturer of Knives- so they had Knives made for them, I am still not too sure if this Schrade Punch was added in after manufacture, but that Punch is beautiful Isnt it?

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An older Robeson- this Ol' Beauty has had some use- but I just couldn't walk away from it, Robeson had BP stamped on the Shield, If you joined all the other people listening to Charlie on Episode 23 on the Catch Bit Show with Mike, Jason and Neal about the Harness uses on Machinery Belts, Teamsters use of the Punch, BP standing for Belt Punch.

Beautiful Bone 😍

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Speaking of Beautiful Bone, this Ol' NY Harness Jack with Rats Tailed Bolsters and lovely Pic Bone..

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Lovely Older Schrade, just look at the use this Knife has had- Tha Main shortened with use- That gorgeous Punch still stunning! Schrade's Punch is a sweetheart that's for sure!

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I know, I know....I know..... but it was a Old Fox Cutlery I had to pick up - so so worn, but I couldn't quite walk past this Ol' thing... 🤣

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Old Case, tidy but the dury's out on this one...... a future project of study perhaps...

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As with this Challenge as well...............

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Campbellclanman said:
Charlie, a dear Ol' friend popped by the other day, said to say hi to you.........

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How is that for a stunning looking Knife in every way!!! :eek: Long Pull with Matchstrike, Swage work to die for, Stag to die for and Punch that is outrageously awesome! Not to mention Pinched Bolsters on top of all that - for a Working Tool with all of this- this was and still is Class through and through.
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What a beauty Duncan as are the knives in the post above !
 
Thank you Frank :) a lot of this last lot were gambles on older condition- a couple that were ( perhaps ) a little messed with - but I just need the time to further dig- I'm just too busy at this stage.
 
Some Great new additions Duncan!! :thumbsup: Sorry for such a late reply.......

Was talking to David Clark last week about the "Catch Bit' podcast with Charlie's discussion on Harness Jacks. After a few minutes he said "you know I think I have an old worn Schatt HJ somewhere" Well yesterday @ the P.O. was a package from David! 😊

As we were talking about punches David said that he had read (he thought) in the patent information, that John W. Schatt's reason for patenting this punch was because it had two cutting edges. In other words Schatt wanted to be able to cut a hole by rotating the punch in either direction. Both clockwise or counter clockwise! A detail I had never paid any attention to before! 😣 I learned something new that day!!!

So here is a very well used, as they were intended to be, S&M Harness Jack!

She's 3 9/16" closed
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knowtracks said:
As we were talking about punches David said that he had read (he thought) in the patent information, that John W. Schatt's reason for patenting this punch was because it had two cutting edges.
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I think that is a mistake, Dave!! (We all make'em!!)
If the top edge was a cutting edge, then it would be impossible to open the punch!! Having the top edge rolled over like that may help to guide a nice circular cut, but primarily it is the lift/opening mechanism!!
I have owned a few of those, and the only way to open that punch is to to lift it by that top edge - very hazardous if it cuts!!! 😲 FWIW, My opinion!!!:rolleyes:
 
After reading the patent information and testing the punches on a good thick piece of saddle leather, I have come to the conclusion that this punch was designed to cut in both directions. In fact they cut better going in a counter clockwise direction than the normal clockwise (for every other patented punch in the U.S. from around 1900) Especially the punch with the Kutmaster main as it is the most pristine Schatt punch I have.
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A link to the patent information. Actually you must open the article David Clark wrote about the "Schatt Punch"

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If you read starting at line #82 thru #100 it explains the punches intent.


Dave
 
knowtracks said:
After reading the patent information and testing the punches on a good thick piece of saddle leather, I have come to the conclusion that this punch was designed to cut in both directions. In fact they cut better going in a counter clockwise direction than the normal clockwise (for every other patented punch in the U.S. from around 1900) Especially the punch with the Kutmaster main as it is the most pristine Schatt punch I have.
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Wow!! Whooda Thunkit???
Nice experiment, Dave!! No problem opening the punch??
This Crow tastes good!!🤪😲:rolleyes:
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Opening the punch has always been tougher than a punch with a nail nick or like the N.Y. knife company punch with the rolled edge. I have never cut myself but have chipped off the end of my nail several times.
I'm sure that you have opened that punch on that Kutmaster as many times as I have My Friend! No scars on your thumb?
I'm assuming that John Schatt was a lefty, hence the thought process behind this punch.


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Now that I think about it and while I have this piece of leather out; I need to go find a HJ # 7 to see if the Old Dog's punch cuts both directions!
 
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A very nice addition to Buckibbq - that's a hard one to find! Charlie really hit the nail on the head with the HJ6, mind you he did with every one of his releases, I have spent a lot of time thinking about that with admiration on the work Charlie has put into bring all the old time patterns back to life - its a great thing for our Knife World.
 
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