David,my IB8 coarse/fine Norton 175th anniversary stone from 1998(SMKW had a bunch of them in 2004 for $8)is marked made in the USA but has no Bear stamp and the same for my IB6 fine india that has 1993 on the box,made in USA no Bear stamp either.I have 4 of the 4" pocket hones that come with Randall knives and the one from my 1987 model 14 and 1998 model 26 have Norton fine india made in USA on them but the one from my 2008 model 3 and 2009 model 8 are unmarked and have a slightly different color and much rougher,gritty finish on them.I was told by the shop manager at Randall Made Knives that the unmarked ones are from Norton.I boiled these pocket hones to remove the oil and use them either dry or with water and they work well this way but need scrubbed with a toothbrush and comet every so often.The two rough unmarked ones were dressed with a coarse DMT stone under running water to get rid of the rough texture.I know several folks who use their fine indias with out any oil or water and get good results,Ethan Becker of Becker Knife and Tool has a IB8 on his kitchen counter that is almost black yet cuts just fine.Every time I see it I have to resist grabbing a brush and comet and scrub the heck out of.it.If I could have only one stone a IB8 coarse/fine india would be it,and watching Jerry Fisk take a dull BK-5 and spending all of about 5 minutes on a fine india followed by stropping a minute on leather charged with green powder will put the quahitas to any doubts about the fine indias ability to produce a razor edge.As Howard Cosell would say it punches well above it's weight.