Let's see your Scout/Camp knives

Buzzbait said:
Awesome knives!!! The 2 top ones are definite beauties. The top Camillus is in fantastic shape.

I think that's the first time I've seem the spine of a Kingston. Is it just me or is that an especially wide and burly knife? I love how you can still see "Kingston" on the blade. The blade etches are usually long gone.
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The Kingston is definitely wider than the Camillus. The center is the same but the outside scales are wider. It’s a solid knife for sure.
 
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Thanks to you - first Scouts in my collection.
 
I'm pretty excited about this one that arrived last night. I finally got my hands on an affordable Remington RS3333. The legendary RS3333. The iconic knife that pretty much defines Remington and the Boy Scouts of America.

I tightened it up and re-peened one of the bolster pins last night. Most of the sanding is done, but a bit more is needed. Those steel pins take a long time to sand back down flush. The main blade's cutting edge has a few scars that need to be sharpened out, but with a bit of edge re-beveling and sharpening, I think I can get rid of them all without any real loss of blade.

Walk and talk is very good. Gorgeous bone. The bail is bent a bit, but not bad enough to effect function at all. Overall, I'm a very happy camper. This is a larger knife than I expected. Not as massive as a Case scout, but slightly larger and heavier than my Camillus engineers knives. The thickness behind the edge of the main blade is a nice .022" to .024".

I'll post more on this as I progress with the restoration, and have a chance to use it a bit.

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Nice old Remington Buzz - Ivwas lucky enough to come across a very very nice one of those when I was at the last Queen show- I also picked another that had such little use - but some intelligent person hit it with a grinder of sorts - minimal damage but still.:eek:
 
Campbellclanman said:
Nice old Remington Buzz - Ivwas lucky enough to come across a very very nice one of those when I was at the last Queen show- I also picked another that had such little use - but some intelligent person hit it with a grinder of sorts - minimal damage but still.:eek:
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I've turned does a few Remingtons scouts over the years, because somebody got crazy with a grinder. Actually, I've shunned a ton of various knives due to grinder marks. Makes me cringe, just thinking about what's happened to so many otherwise beautiful knives.
 
Buzzbait said:
I'm pretty excited about this one that arrived last night. I finally got my hands on an affordable Remington RS3333. The legendary RS3333. The iconic knife that pretty much defines Remington and the Boy Scouts of America.

I tightened it up and re-peened one of the bolster pins last night. Most of the sanding is done, but a bit more is needed. Those steel pins take a long time to sand back down flush. The main blade's cutting edge has a few scars that need to be sharpened out, but with a bit of edge re-beveling and sharpening, I think I can get rid of them all without any real loss of blade.

Walk and talk is very good. Gorgeous bone. The bail is bent a bit, but not bad enough to effect function at all. Overall, I'm a very happy camper. This is a larger knife than I expected. Not as massive as a Case scout, but slightly larger and heavier than my Camillus engineers knives. The thickness behind the edge of the main blade is a nice .022" to .024".

I'll post more on this as I progress with the restoration, and have a chance to use it a bit.

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Awesome Scout Buzz! It has everything I want to see in a vintage knife! Especially the uncleaned blades :):thumbsup:
 
The Remington RS3333 Boy Scout Knife vs Camillus WW2 Engineers Knife Showdown!!!!!

So I've been carrying and using the Remington for a few days now, and it's really a tremendous knife. So good in fact that comparison to the Camillus was inevitable. Here's how they measure up:

  1. Frame - The Remington is actually the larger knife, measuring in at 3 3/4", having both a longer and taller frame. Yet even though the blade stock is thicker, the overall package of the Remington is somehow quite a bit thinner. It's absolutely crazy how tightly Remington was able to pack all 4 blades into the frame, without any blade rub. The Camillus 14 pattern frame is good in its own right, and I have no complaints with it, but the Remington is downright masterful.
  2. Joints - The joints on the Remington sit pretty low in the frame, but Camillus has almost sunken joints. Point goes to Camillus.
  3. Covers - Both knives feature wonderful brown bone, jigged in a random pattern. But if I had to choose one, I think the Remington bone is indeed better. But that could be just because my Remington is a bit more pocket worn, and the covers are actually larger, showing off the bone a bit better.
  4. Pins - The pins on the Remington are noticeably larger in size, and all pins are nicely domed. But you can catch a fingernail on the center pin, where the covers start to wrap around toward to the backsping. The center pin on the Camillus is nicely domed, and small enough that it doesn't contact the rounded edge. The other two pins on the Camillus are actually hand hammered. For some reason, I love the rougher hand hammered look, so I'm giving Camillus the win.
  5. Bail - The Remington has a really long bail, and the Camillus has a rather short bail. I personally prefer the short Camillus bail, since it is much less likely to get bent out of shape.
  6. Liners - The Remington has brass liners, and the center liner is actually patterned. The Camillus engineers knife was first made in brass, and then steel when brass was war rationed. I must say that I love the patterned brass on the Remington.
  7. Shield - Both shields are awesome. The Remington has a classic small round BSA emblem, with tons of detail. The Camillus has a centered gimp shield, which is just the right size for the knife, and has the classic U.S.A. stamp. I love the Camillus shield in a big way.
  8. Bolsters - The Remingtom bolsters are rather thin, flat and plain. The Camillus bolsters are thick, rounded and nicely lined. I'll take the Camillus.
  9. Walk and Talk - Both knives have exceptional walk and talk, especially considering how complicated the scout pattern is to manufacture. But there's something superior about the Remington that's hard to describe. The opening sequence is more tactile. You always feel the contact of the tool with the backspring, but it's still buttery smooth. It's an absolute joy to open and close.
  10. Main Blade - The taller Remington knife has a correspondingly taller blade than the Camillus, which should theoretically give the knife a longer usable life. Both blades are ground thin, but the Camillus is ground a bit thinner for greater cutting efficiency. The Remington heat treatment is somewhat soft, making the knife very easy to field sharpen, which should have been a plus for a young boy scout. The Camillus heat treatment is much harder, possibly by as much as 4 points of Rockwell hardness, allowing the knife to hold an outstanding edge. So in the end, it's kind of like comparing Case's CV to GEC's 1095. You either get great edge holding or ease of sharpening on a traditional stone, but not both. I'll give the win to Camillus, just because modern sharpeners have little problem handling the harder heat treatment. But it's really just a matter of personal preference.
  11. Awl - I think that this is one area where 10 years of time showed the Camillus design improvement of the awl. The Remington awl is fairly thin, and many of them on the aftermarket are already broken. The Camillus awl is thicker and more rounded, with a beveled edge at the tip for penetration. I'll definitely take the Camillus awl.
  12. Can opener - Both are rather horriblein use. But the Camillus is sturdier, being thicker and a one-piece design. The nicer looking 2-piece design of the Remington is rather fragile. This is simply another functional design improvement featured on the later-produced Camillus.
  13. Cap lifter - Both the Remington and Camillus pop caps like champs, but the longer tool on the Remington makes it a tad easier to use.
  14. Screwdriver - The short screwdriver on the Camillus has almost no cant in relation to the frame, allowing the screwdriver to work smoothly and efficiently. The flathead tip as also very beefy. In contrast, the Remington is an absolute mess. Even though the screwdriver is longer, the extreme cant of the tool makes it very hard to turn a screw without the the tool constantly slipping out of the screw slot. The flathead driver is also ground bizarrely thin, allowing the tip to get bent and warped fairly easily. The Camillus driver wins by a landslide.
Overall, both of these knives are absolutely magnificent. I think that the Camillus is actually more useful to me as a daily pocket knife, purely from a logical perspective. I cuts better, holds an edge longer, and the screwdriver and awl work better. It's actually a serious tool with a somewhat brutish toughness, but with enough old world craftsmanship and beauty to make it a treat to carry. It's also relatively easy and inexpensive to replace, so there's no great hardship if broken.

But the Remington is the far more artful design. Holding it, using it, and looking at it instantly fills me with nostalgia for a time long since passed. Everything about this knife fills me with wonder, and inspires me go outside and do scout-like things, to be a kid again. Where the Camillus is a tool, the Remington is a treasure.

The truth is that both knives will be used. Where most of the scouts I've collected have ended up in a drawer, as merely collector's items, the Remington and Camillus both easily stand out as favorites. I'm going to carry the Remington a bit more, just because I enjoy it so much. But the Camillus will probably end up with more EDC pocket time. It's the more useful tool. Eventually, the Remington may end up becoming my dedicated camping and hiking knife, since it's easier to field sharpen and has a slightly better grip. It's also a perfect knife to admire on those lazy days of camping, stoking a fire and comparing knives with family and friends.

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Buzzbait said:
The Remington RS3333 Boy Scout Knife vs Camillus WW2 Engineers Knife Showdown!!!!!

So I've been carrying and using the Remington for a few days now, and it's really a tremendous knife. So good in fact that comparison to the Camillus was inevitable. Here's how they measure up:

  1. Frame - The Remington is actually the larger knife, measuring in at 3 3/4", having both a longer and taller frame. Yet even though the blade stock is thicker, the overall package of the Remington is somehow quite a bit thinner. It's absolutely crazy how tightly Remington was able to pack all 4 blades into the frame, without any blade rub. The Camillus 14 pattern frame is good in its own right, and I have no complaints with it, but the Remington is downright masterful.
  2. Joints - The joints on the Remington sit pretty low in the frame, but Camillus has almost sunken joints. Point goes to Camillus.
  3. Covers - Both knives feature wonderful brown bone, jigged in a random pattern. But if I had to choose one, I think the Remington bone is indeed better. But that could be just because my Remington is a bit more pocket worn, and the covers are actually larger, showing off the bone a bit better.
  4. Pins - The pins on the Remington are noticeably larger in size, and all pins are nicely domed. But you can catch a fingernail on the center pin, where the covers start to wrap around toward to the backsping. The center pin on the Camillus is nicely domed, and small enough that it doesn't contact the rounded edge. The other two pins on the Camillus are actually hand hammered. For some reason, I love the rougher hand hammered look, so I'm giving Camillus the win.
  5. Bail - The Remington has a really long bail, and the Camillus has a rather short bail. I personally prefer the short Camillus bail, since it is much less likely to get bent out of shape.
  6. Liners - The Remington has brass liners, and the center liner is actually patterned. The Camillus engineers knife was first made in brass, and then steel when brass was war rationed. I must say that I love the patterned brass on the Remington.
  7. Shield - Both shields are awesome. The Remington has a classic small round BSA emblem, with tons of detail. The Camillus has a centered gimp shield, which is just the right size for the knife, and has the classic U.S.A. stamp. I love the Camillus shield in a big way.
  8. Bolsters - The Remingtom bolsters are rather thin, flat and plain. The Camillus bolsters are thick, rounded and nicely lined. I'll take the Camillus.
  9. Walk and Talk - Both knives have exceptional walk and talk, especially considering how complicated the scout pattern is to manufacture. But there's something superior about the Remington that's hard to describe. The opening sequence is more tactile. You always feel the contact of the tool with the backspring, but it's still buttery smooth. It's an absolute joy to open and close.
  10. Main Blade - The taller Remington knife has a correspondingly taller blade than the Camillus, which should theoretically give the knife a longer usable life. Both blades are ground thin, but the Camillus is ground a bit thinner for greater cutting efficiency. The Remington heat treatment is somewhat soft, making the knife very easy to field sharpen, which should have been a plus for a young boy scout. The Camillus heat treatment is much harder, possibly by as much as 4 points of Rockwell hardness, allowing the knife to hold an outstanding edge. So in the end, it's kind of like comparing Case's CV to GEC's 1095. You either get great edge holding or ease of sharpening on a traditional stone, but not both. I'll give the win to Camillus, just because modern sharpeners have little problem handling the harder heat treatment. But it's really just a matter of personal preference.
  11. Awl - I think that this is one area where 10 years of time showed the Camillus design improvement of the awl. The Remington awl is fairly thin, and many of them on the aftermarket are already broken. The Camillus awl is thicker and more rounded, with a beveled edge at the tip for penetration. I'll definitely take the Camillus awl.
  12. Can opener - Both are rather horriblein use. But the Camillus is sturdier, being thicker and a one-piece design. The nicer looking 2-piece design of the Remington is rather fragile. This is simply another functional design improvement featured on the later-produced Camillus.
  13. Cap lifter - Both the Remington and Camillus pop caps like champs, but the longer tool on the Remington makes it a tad easier to use.
  14. Screwdriver - The short screwdriver on the Camillus has almost no cant in relation to the frame, allowing the screwdriver to work smoothly and efficiently. The flathead tip as also very beefy. In contrast, the Remington is an absolute mess. Even though the screwdriver is longer, the extreme cant of the tool makes it very hard to turn a screw without the the tool constantly slipping out of the screw slot. The flathead driver is also ground bizarrely thin, allowing the tip to get bent and warped fairly easily. The Camillus driver wins by a landslide.
Overall, both of these knives are absolutely magnificent. I think that the Camillus is actually more useful to me as a daily pocket knife, purely from a logical perspective. I cuts better, holds an edge longer, and the screwdriver and awl work better. It's actually a serious tool with a somewhat brutish toughness, but with enough old world craftsmanship and beauty to make it a treat to carry. It's also relatively easy and inexpensive to replace, so there's no great hardship if broken.

But the Remington is the far more artful design. Holding it, using it, and looking at it instantly fills me with nostalgia for a time long since passed. Everything about this knife fills me with wonder, and inspires me go outside and do scout-like things, to be a kid again. Where the Camillus is a tool, the Remington is a treasure.

The truth is that both knives will be used. Where most of the scouts I've collected have ended up in a drawer, as merely collector's items, the Remington and Camillus both easily stand out as favorites. I'm going to carry the Remington a bit more, just because I enjoy it so much. But the Camillus will probably end up with more EDC pocket time. It's the more useful tool. Eventually, the Remington may end up becoming my dedicated camping and hiking knife, since it's easier to field sharpen and has a slightly better grip. It's also a perfect knife to admire on those lazy days of camping, stoking a fire and comparing knives with family and friends.

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Great looking scouts buzzbait . I was wondering if their is a way to pm someone on here .Thanks Tom
 
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