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Well the 13 Forum Knife was the first GEC to have Rat-Tails I suspect.

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Thanks, guys, looks like I missed a few rat-tails. Goose, the #50 was an early fixed blade, a mini-Bowie.
 
Kiteman72 said:
My 2 cents is to just send it in.

No more replacements out there, and I get the sense that if it was going to self correct it would have already done it. You aren't a newbie to GECs so your instincts are probably right.
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Railsplitter said:
I agree with what Taylor said. Let GEC shoulder the burden of making it right. If you do decide to send it in, I'm sure you'll be glad you did.
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I oiled it and it seems to have rectified the issue. I have tentative optimism. If I feel a hint of seizing come back up though I think I'll send it in. I don't want to not be able to carry and use and enjoy this knife with confidence.

My #25 started to pull apart. One side liner started to separate from the spring at the butt then the tang dug deep into the other side liner. GEC won't work on it because it's a "Store knife" aka a second. I'm gonna lose the awesome Unicorn Ivory acrylic scales probably unfortunately. Have to get it rescaled. I have some cool vintage canvas and linen micarta, might have it turned into a shadow pattern.

Travman said:
The new #44 looks exactly like the #76 pattern. Also, both patterns are 3.5 inches closed. So what is the difference? View attachment 802601 View attachment 802602
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black mamba said:
The #76 was not a true gunstock pattern, but more of a serpentine gunstock. I always thought the proportions were off, it never looked right to me. The new #44 is about as good as it gets, and the rat-tail and engraved flat head bolster really make it special.



It doesn't for me, really, as it's not a GEC branded knife, but a Northwoods. Good call, though.
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I like gunstocks, but the #76 always looked strange to me. Like it was a gunstock morphing into something else.
 
Travman said:
The new #44 looks exactly like the #76 pattern. Also, both patterns are 3.5 inches closed. So what is the difference? View attachment 802601 View attachment 802602
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There are some major differences in the 2 middle Pins and slight difference at the Butt End and possibly more Drop to the Butt End . I think that I am going to like the Northfields quite a lot .

Harry
 
OK, traditional experts, help me out with this 44 gunstock. I'm still learning about different patterns and their reasons for being. Wouldn't the point of a gunstock handle be the way you can grip the knife? Like, get your middle finger against that ledge for a more secure grip? And, if that is the case, why would you put two blades on there since then there will always be a blade closed and in the way of that more secure grip? This seems to defeat the purpose.
 
Kiro, even with one of the blades closed, you still get some purchase on the frame from your thumb along the side. But I suspect it's just because knife people are also often gun people, and some will buy it just because it's a gunstock in looks and name.
 
Kiro said:
OK, traditional experts, help me out with this 44 gunstock. I'm still learning about different patterns and their reasons for being. Wouldn't the point of a gunstock handle be the way you can grip the knife? Like, get your middle finger against that ledge for a more secure grip? And, if that is the case, why would you put two blades on there since then there will always be a blade closed and in the way of that more secure grip? This seems to defeat the purpose.
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black mamba said:
Kiro, even with one of the blades closed, you still get some purchase on the frame from your thumb along the side. But I suspect it's just because knife people are also often gun people, and some will buy it just because it's a gunstock in looks and name.
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Yes, it's called a gunstock because the lines of the frame run the same ways the lines of a gunstock do. Doesn't make sense to build a frame that is proportional, because that just wouldn't work on a small pocket knife handle, but if you turn the knife spine up and then imagine it larger, it follows the same course to the butt into your shoulder that a rifle stock would follow.
 
traumkommode said:
Yes, it's called a gunstock because the lines of the frame run the same ways the lines of a gunstock do. Doesn't make sense to build a frame that is proportional, because that just wouldn't work on a small pocket knife handle, but if you turn the knife spine up and then imagine it larger, it follows the same course to the butt into your shoulder that a rifle stock would follow.
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Thanks for the comments. The aesthetics make sense to me, but I'm not a gun guy, so that doesn't do it for me on it's own. I guess I was assuming more function than form.
 
willard0341 said:
I’m not a “cigar” guy, but I do like the pattern of knives.
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Well, sure. I'm interested in the gunstock pattern, but not because it resembles a gunstock. It's because it seems like it would be a secure handle. And so I think a single blade version would be best for me. And so I'm not going to get a 44 gunstock. But who knows, maybe Northwoods is piggybacking on this pattern as well with single blade version.
 
Kiro said:
Well, sure. I'm interested in the gunstock pattern, but not because it resembles a gunstock. It's because it seems like it would be a secure handle. And so I think a single blade version would be best for me. And so I'm not going to get a 44 gunstock. But who knows, maybe Northwoods is piggybacking on this pattern as well with single blade version.
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If you are handy, you could try modding one too. I know one or two here who have successfully turned a 2 blade jack into a single blade one. It is entirely possible too that GEC might be producing a single blade variant. It is, after all, only a sneak peak with no indication of when production will be.
 
I know folks have mentioned not being too keen on the 76 due to the "not-quite-gunstockish-enough", and I can see it, but I like it.

I guess still look at traditionals like I do modern knives, and ergonomics are only slightly ahead of alloy in my preferences. The 76 looks like it would be great regarding in hand comfort

That being said, I have always toed the line with saying that traditionals don't need to be so, just for the sake of tradition. The patterns are as they are because they are great working knives. Evolved and tinkered with over the decades, made just right for the job. So it stands to reason, that if a knife can be made, changed, or modified to make a new pattern for a job in the early 1900s, why is doing the same today considered blasphemous?

That is the 76 to me, a gunstock-ish knife that was tinkered with to make it slightly better for in hand feel, while still remaining a gunstock.
Much like a Sodbuster with Cruwear or PD1 would still be a Sodbuster, but with added edge retention and comparable ease of sharpening, more stain resistant (while still taking a patina), easy maintenance with a strop, and Significantly more toughness than 1095...
 
I like the #76 Gunstock, always have since I first laid eyes on it. It fits my hand well also and packs some good sized blades in that handle. It’s a hidden gem imo.
 
L.H.S said:
I oiled it and it seems to have rectified the issue. I have tentative optimism. If I feel a hint of seizing come back up though I think I'll send it in. I don't want to not be able to carry and use and enjoy this knife with confidence.

My #25 started to pull apart. One side liner started to separate from the spring at the butt then the tang dug deep into the other side liner. GEC won't work on it because it's a "Store knife" aka a second. I'm gonna lose the awesome Unicorn Ivory acrylic scales probably unfortunately. Have to get it rescaled. I have some cool vintage canvas and linen micarta, might have it turned into a shadow pattern.





I like gunstocks, but the #76 always looked strange to me. Like it was a gunstock morphing into something else.
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Gec will fix them even though they are a 2nd any gec is warranted for life against defects like the one you mentioned i have had them fix 2 factory seconds anjust give them a call
 
Goose 7279 said:
Gec will fix them even though they are a 2nd any gec is warranted for life against defects like the one you mentioned i have had them fix 2 factory seconds anjust give them a call
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Hi Goose. I thought GEC would fix it too but it looks like GEC has a different perspective in this case.

L.H.S said:
So about a week after I initially emailed on August 30th I left for a 2 week hunt/expedition in Alaska set up by my father. I hadn't gotten a reply yet when I got back to where I had WiFi, so I sent another email on September 15th. I got an email back on September 21st saying that since it is a "Store Knife" the only thing they can recommend is oiling the joints. I thanked them and let them know I understand. Still, it seems a little silly to suggest oiling the joints with an issue this severe.

What I'm taking out of this is that no matter how they're branded or titled "Store Knives" are what every other company calls "seconds" and treated as such. I initially had this understanding, but then was informed that the "Store Knives" were not different than other knives they just wanted to sell them in house so that the buyer could inspect beforehand. "Store Knives" are not covered under warranty for service whether manufacturing defect or not. That's alright and I'm not upset, I've always gotten good service in the past the few times I've had issues with GEC knives, I just think it's good to put out there in case anyone is unsure.

I have been told, as I suspected, that to fix this it will have to be taken apart and put back together by a third party. Considering the cost associated and the fragility of the Unicorn Ivory Acrylic, that sounds like a losing venture. Hopefully a friendly forum member I met at the Rendezvous still has one available as he offered when I first posted about this issue.
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