Let's talk Zero Tolerance.

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I've had my share of KAI Kershaw's from Japan to USA (not a fan of China; but hey that's just me). I've suddenly become a Benchmade junky but I'm considering branching out and getting a ZT or two. Here are my questions:

I like a lean knife. Side to side I prefer a thinner knife. The Benchmade 710 is my preferred EDC right now due to it's a thinner carry than any other larger folder I've had. I can't seem to find specs on how thick the ZT's are.

I have hardly any experience with a frame lock. What type of longevity can I expect out of ZT's frame locks?
 
I have hardly any experience with a frame lock. What type of longevity can I expect out of ZT's frame locks?

ZT knives are built to work hard, you can expect a great life out of them. If for some reason your lock does fail, they also happen to have one of the best warranty departments in the business.
 
IMO the ZT Hinderers are as tough as a knife in that class gets, and other than buying an actual XM-18, it is going to be hard to find something tougher.

ZT has really picked up KAI's high-end items and ZTs are best compared to older Kershaws like the Spec Bump, Titanium/ZDP-189 Cyclone, and Composite Tyrade in terms of quality that pushes the boundaries of production knives. They are tough as nails, their quality is very consistent, the finish is exceptional, and they are probably going to give the best longevity of any knife in their respective category.

When it comes to steels used, ZT is probably one of the most consistent companies in using fantastic steels on all of their knives across the board. KAI-ZT is also using CPM-S35VN and ELMAX extensively, which for folding knives are very tough steels to match because they give super steel-level performance in every single category. In my personal opinion, I think they are two of the best and possibly the best steels for such application. ZT also uses CPM-154 and CPM-S30V, and KAI is very competent in their heat treatments of all of these steels. Recently, ZT has also started using more M390 and other super steels. On special knives, they have also used CPM-3V and CPM-110V composite. They don't mess around when it comes to choosing the best steels for the job...

ZT has also really pushed the boundaries when it comes to pivot, joint, and bearing systems. They are designing these parts not just with strength in mind, but longevity in a sense that these are friction parts that will see the same repetitive movement and they are designing them to reduce wear and account for long-term wear patterns. Like the Sebenza, I dare say that in 30 years from now that ZT frame locks used every day will still not develop blade play thanks to their designs and lock up within acceptable spec. Their machining of G10 and titanium alloy is also notable.



But, the ability to withstand the next 5 world wars does come at a toll: they are generally pretty heavy and bulky, which some love and some hate. If you like thin, the ZT0566 gets thinner than other ZTs, but it still is what I would call anywhere near 710 compact. ZT revised many of their pocket clips and the newer designs I think do a better job in carrying the larger folders comfortably. Additionally, their blades are great but they do tend to favor heavier work than they do lighter work in which precision is most important. With the added weight, this can make some cutting more challenging versus a knife without such a beefy build. The 0566, 0770, 0801, and the newer Hinderer models seem to be addressing some of these issues and expanding the versatility of the line.
 
The frame lock will be fine for a long time. It'll be a bit different for you to manipulate until you get used to it, but it'll hold up well if ZT makes it. Their knives do tend to be a bit thicker and wider than you may like, and you'll probably notice the extra weight. That being said, a good introduction to ZT frame locks might be the 566. It's the nearest one of their offerings to the 710 you've been carrying that I'm aware of. The lock side is SS so it'll be a bit heavier and slicker than Ti but it's not bad at all.

My 566 comes in at 11mm (7/16") thick and about 35mm (1 3/8") wide when closed. Can't remember the weight. The 350's gonna be wider and slightly thicker, although it may not be quite as heavy.
 
Without actually researching it, I'm going to guess that the 0770 (aluminum or carbon fiber) is their thinnest generally available offering. I have the 0770cf and love it. They are AO, which some love, some hate, and on which others (like me) are basically agnostic. I've read mixed reviews on their deassisted performance, but most aren't very good. Price point is in the $180-190 ballpark.
 
Without actually researching it, I'm going to guess that the 0770 (aluminum or carbon fiber) is their thinnest generally available offering. I have the 0770cf and love it. They are AO, which some love, some hate, and on which others (like me) are basically agnostic. I've read mixed reviews on their deassisted performance, but most aren't very good. Price point is in the $180-190 ballpark.

My suggestion as well, though I've seen the now discontinued aluminum version for $117 and I'm certain you can grab the carbon fiber model for a good bit less than $180 if you email Kershawguy.
 
I just picked up the 0770 as it was the first ZT that was a comfortable EDC size.


I like it and I carry the 710 as well
 
Out of the ZT knives I have owned, the aluminum 0770 was the thinnest. The 0700 wide tanto is pretty thin also. The 0566 is probably next.
 
ZT doesn't refer to their knives as "overbuilt" for nothing. The only model I've seen so far that I'd be willing to carry is the 0770CF. It's a nice thin knife, but the carbon fiber patterning has been inconsistent in a few examples including mine. It doesn't affect the knife's functionality, but a knife as expensive as the 0770CF should have perfect fit AND perfect finish. So I sent mine in to the factory to replace the defective scale. This is the first time I've dealt with Kai's warranty service, so I should be able to provide a first-hand report on its quality pretty soon.
 
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I'd suggest the 566. ZTs most pocket friendly option. The weight is a little bit high for the size, but you have to pay a price for strength.
 
. . . you have to pay a price for strength.
Hmmm. I'm not sure I agree entirely with that statement, Chris. If strength is really an issue, I reach for a fixed blade, not a folder. And most of my lightweight folders are plenty strong enough for the tasks I put them to. But I understand where you're coming from. As the saying goes, size matters. ;) :D
 
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I really like the 0770 with contoured aluminum handles for about $120. With a 3.25" blade it weighs 3.72 ounces and only 0.464" thick. Your Benchmade 710 with a 3.9" blade weighs 4.73 ounces and is 0.489" thick.
 
Right. And cosmetic issues aside, I really love the 0770CF too. It's so far out of ZT's comfort zone that it's worth considering for its uniqueness alone. If I want "big", I've got the rest of their line to choose from.
 
I really like the 0770 with contoured aluminum handles for about $120. With a 3.25" blade it weighs 3.72 ounces and only 0.464" thick. Your Benchmade 710 with a 3.9" blade weighs 4.73 ounces and is 0.489" thick.

Right. And cosmetic issues aside, I really love the 0770CF too. It's so far out of ZT's comfort zone that it's worth considering for its uniqueness alone. If I want "big", I've got the rest of their line to choose from.

I agree with these guys. My two favorite knives to carry right now are the Manix 2 S110V & the ZT0770CF. Both are great, light, yet substantial pocket knives. The 0770CF is the only "lean and mean" ZT that I own. All the rest are built like a tank. Love 'em, but they do not - IMHO - make for comfortable EDCs. Like bld522 said, the 0770CF (and 0770 aluminum) are unique in the ZT line.
 
I'll join in on the 0770CF chorus--it's become my favorite ZT by far and away, and I've only had it for a couple of weeks. I like my other ZTs a bunch, (the 0801, 0560, etc.) but the 0770CF is the only one that's thin and light enough to have me interested in carrying it with any frequency.
 
The 0566 actually carries quite comfortably as well. The 0770CF is the thinnest knife ZT makes at about 13/32". The 0566 is maybe a hair thicker, and the 0770 (aluminum handled version) is about 14/32". The 710 is about the same thickness as a ZT 0350 (about 15/32").

ZT thickness:


Benchmade 710 thickness:
 
I carried a spyderco military (very thin, but long knife that just disappears in your pocket) for about 4 years before getting 0561. The 0561 is noticeably thicker and heavier than my CF military in hand, but in my pocket I really don't notice or care about the sized difference. I recently got a sebenza 21 ( thinner and lighter than the 0561), but to be honest the ZT finds it's way back in my pocket more and more often... Maybe it's time to part with the "mighty" sebenza and invest in other ZT's.
 
It was hard for me to get past the price on ZTs in general. I checked out a number of their folders at a large knife store to form my overall impressions of the brand. I was determined to get my first this year, which I did.

With the introduction of the ZT 0770CF, I bought my first ZT as I would never carry regularly a thick heavy folder. I have some of those and they don't get carried. The 0770CF hit my pocket after an inspection (nearly flawless as far as I'm concerned), light oiling, checking sharpness, and some trial opening and closing. Really like this knife with its 3.25" blade. It feels like a Spyderco with a 3" blade in my pocket. My favorite Spydie was the Delica and the ZT 0770CF fits right into my comfort zone. It's a user and keeper for me.
 
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My EDC. The 0700 is the second or third slimmest ZT. I don't feel it in my back pocket and it doesn't wear the pocket like the Spartan that holds the other back pocket. You can't go wrong with any of their products.
 
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