Liner Lock Strength

Lycosa said:
Locks wearing out is a result of too much "playing" with the knife, imo. I soft-set my lock into place, after break-in, and only let 'er snap in when I Really need to use my knife. I never had a LL wear out on me. Maybe I'm nuts! :D
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I know but there has to come a point when the lock wear becomes minimal right? Besides, I have to "play with it," because opening with the wave and going into defensive slashes is an important thing to practice when carrying a knife of this type for sd. After all, this is what this knife was designed for.
 
I have looked into axis locks but the only knife I have handled with the axis lock was a griptillian. The lock up didn't seem too great.
 
I would read some of the reports in the tactical forum on what they recommend. I think you'll find what you have gets rated higher than the Axis. It was found according to what I read that in some uses and grips the axis lock 'may' be a liability more so than a liner lock due to accidental release of the blade by bumping the lock button. Since it only takes a bump on some models and only on one side its worth considering before buying. Don't get me wrong they are great knives. A frame lock would be my first choice. Maybe an HD7 from Emerson if you can stand the chisel grind tanto blade. If not you may have to look at another company unless he starts making a 12 frame lock again and they become available.


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I agree with Steve... Frame it.
When I had an Axis lock knife, I never worried about the lock wearing out due to the design of the lock.
 
CQC86 said:
I have looked into axis locks but the only knife I have handled with the axis lock was a griptillian. The lock up didn't seem too great.
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imho the axis is as good as it gets, its self adjusting, lock up is excellent, easy to manipulate, i never carry BM knives anymore but it aint because of the axis locks, i like the axis a lot.

any LL will wear with use, imho waving or inertia opening is hard on 'em and speeds up wear, if it wears to a point it isnt locking up right all ya gotta do is send it back to EKI (or whoever made it) for adjustment, imho EKI LL's are no better/no worse than any other LL, i have had EKI LL's fail, BM LL's fail, spyderco LL's fail, etc etc et al, it is what it is, with use they can fail, key word being "can", a bud has a '99 commander with the thin lock and he uses it daily (he's a framing contractor) and probably waves or inertia's it 99% or higher when opening and lock up on its still fine, i sharpen it for him every few weeks & check it, its till fine after literally thousands of waves and inertia's, so ya cant say they "will" fail, on the other hand i had a BM 975SBt fail after only a few weeks and a few hundred (maybe) inertia's, so it just depends on the knife and how well it was fitted, FWIW i have always thought BM to be one of the better LL's, along with spydie and EKI, but i have had probs with all 3.
 
Honestly if you seriously want to use a knife primarily as a weapon, carry a fixed blade. It is quicker into the fight, 100% reliable and will give you way more reach than a folder.
 
Buffalohump said:
Honestly if you seriously want to use a knife primarily as a weapon, carry a fixed blade. It is quicker into the fight, 100% reliable and will give you way more reach than a folder.
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I have been looking into some small fixed blades that utilize the wharnclife design. Also, I have been thinking about carrying a p'kal by spyderco.
 
You might want to edit your post, CQC86. Registered members are not permitted to sell, nevermind in the wrong forum.
 
though if i was gonna for sure be in a knife fight (hopefully i wopnt ever) i would carry a large fixed blade of the bowie style, my mad dog SEAL ATAK2 would be my number 1` choice, that said a fixed blade is a lot more hassle to deal with on a day to day basis vs a folder, for me anyway, and i have several bud nealys w/the MASS sheaths which are imho the top of the line in ease of carry/design of knife/design of sheath/etc, they are just more hassle, poking you in the side when ya bend certain ways, scratching/scuffing leather seats when ya sit down if ya arent carefull with the metal clip, flopping around when ya lower trousers lol, just a lot more hassle, its a lot easier to deal with a folder and i dont worry at all about the lock failing as long as its a good quality design and make, i edc either a emerson custom '13 or a spyderco Ti ATR and have exactly zero worries about lock failure on either one should the day come to pass when i need one for a knife fight, i went thru a FB phase myself thus all the nealys and polkawski's i have and have tried but i just found a folder to be fine for what i need it for, now if my primary weapon was a knife, well maybe then i would go w/a FB, maybe, i would have to think about it even at that point.

if ya do want a good edc FB the very best i have found, with well designed, functional sheaths (not all 'smiths do sheaths very well FWIW) are by bud nealy (ie the 3.5" or 5" pesh kebz, and others) or al polkawski (ie the companion and others), they are thin/lite and carry very well for a FB.

if an emerson '8 or super '8 isnt thin/lite/easy enough for you to carry i doubt ya will find a FB that ya are gonna like, any emerson folder, be it std or "super" is gonna carry better than any FB i know of, and if an '8 or super '8 is too big i dont know if ya are gonna find the spydie is that much smaller, i dont know, give it a try, i guess thats half the fun, trying different things, can get expensive though lol.
 
Carrying any weapon every day is a PITA. But the truth is the bigger the better. Jim Cirillo, who was a cop in the NYPD for 20-odd years in the stake-out squad, wrote a great book called Guns, Bullets and Gunfights (Paladin Press).

He toted a S&W .44 Magnum every day to work and when his colleagues he would rib him and ask him why he needed a hand cannon he said that because when he was in a gunfight, he wanted the biggest caliber possible so that when he hit the guy, the dude stayed down.

Of course he also didn't want to carry a brick all down so he experimented with hybrid frames that would give him a lighter weight gun that could still handle the pressures of the .44 Magnum round. He also designed his own cartridges to reduce the tendency of the .44 to travel right through the perp and take out whoever was standing behind him. He wanted all that energy to be dumped into the bad guy, not some innocent bystander.

Needless to say Jim had his own ideas and not everyone agreed with him, but he had personal experience on the street that led him to believe that was the best way forward (some 252 shootouts during his career). And he wanted to survive until he was old enough to retire. Pro hunters have a similar mindset which they boil down to a simple phrase: "carry enough gun".

The same thing applies to knives. If you're gonna carry one for self-defence, don't waste time with folders - get a fixed blade of 9,5 inches (at least) and learn to carry it every day. Otherwise you're just whistling dixie!
 
Lycosa said:
If you gots money... gets a Warren Thomas. Light and Deadly. ;)
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If you don't have the money for a WT you can just sharpen up a stick, that's light and deadly too. :p

I actually wouldn't mind a WT carbon fiber and Titanium laminate sharpened stick with a carbide point. :D:thumbup:
 
lol. :D
I ran that idea by Warren. He will be gunnin for you Hazie. :eek::thumbup::D
 
I don't know. My favorite knife of all time is the cqc-12. I feel it to be just as fast into action as a fixed-blade. I also feel confident that it would hold up to anything you wanted to do with it to a human body.
Of course a fixed blade would be the better option in a serrious situation, but as they say, "it's better to have a tool with you when you need it, than a better tool sitting at home", -or something like that. There may not be any fixed-blades of similar size that are as comfortable to carry daily as the cqc-12.
As for liner-locks, I wouldn't trust them for anything but cutting. I emailed EKI a little over a year ago and inquired about them making more #12's. They said the would be but didn't say when. -I patiently wait on.
 
Well, its always a tough decision. Most folks will go through their entire lives not needing a weapon but you can use a knife most every day for some arbritrary task or another. I just roll according to the situation. If I'm just going through my daily routine I carry a regular folder. If I'm venturing off the beaten path say at night and I feel the risk factor is a little higher then I will pack something heavier.

However, the logic says if you REALLY believe that you are going into a potentially dangerous situation then you want the biggest baddest piece of steel you can carry under your jacket. And you'd be amazed at the size of knife you can conceal under a coat of moderate length if you get a proper sheath for it.
 
Buffalohump said:
Well, its always a tough decision. Most folks will go through their entire lives not needing a weapon but you can use a knife most every day for some arbritrary task or another. I just roll according to the situation. If I'm just going through my daily routine I carry a regular folder. If I'm venturing off the beaten path say at night and I feel the risk factor is a little higher then I will pack something heavier.

However, the logic says if you REALLY believe that you are going into a potentially dangerous situation then you want the biggest baddest piece of steel you can carry under your jacket. And you'd be amazed at the size of knife you can conceal under a coat of moderate length if you get a proper sheath for it.
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While I carry a knife every day I actually carry an ASP (somethimes along with a set of knucks) for cracking heads. I often have large amounts of cash on me so having something is a must. I only carry impact weapons because a firearm is out of the question here in Taiwan (and the UK :rolleyes::grumpy:)

A knife is a great offensive weapon but is actually a fairly poor defensive weapon for a number of reasons. If you crack someones jaw or cosh them they will usually run off and you will probably not hear any more about it. If you stab or cut someone it is more likely you will hear about it again and also have a larger possibility of killing them, and inviting all the problems that come with that.

Every situation is different of course and I don't rule out the knife, it's just not my primary weapon.
 
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