Lionspy came today

5.56 said:
How is the lockup? This is the same company that did the HEST folders.
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SR-1 has some reports of lockup issues also (though not as many as the HESTF's). I was kind of surprised so many people wanted to pre-order a frame lock from Lionsteel.
 
Bwolcott said:
heres a quick little video
[youtube]m5uQkBVwgi0[/youtube]
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Thanks Bwolcott,

The moment I heard about this collab, I immediately informed Sal about the lock up issues with the HEST.
It would seem they addressed it. Very cool.
 
I've owned six LionSteel titanium framelocks -- two SR-1s, HEST folder 1.0 and 2.0, and now my pair of LionSpys that arrived yesterday -- and IMHO they know how to make an excellent titanium framelock.

I completely agree that the HEST 1.0 was a mess -- mine had the same poor lockup/lock slippage issues that a lot of other people's did. However, that seems to have been due to dumb design choices/changes rather than any fundamental issue with the manufacturing competence, tolerances, etc. of LionSteel. In particular, the stop pin of the HEST 1.0 was resized on the fly after users who got the early limited edition HEST folders noticed the blade tip protruding slightly above the handle when closed. DPx and LionSteel decided to make the stop pin smaller so that the blade wouldn't sit as high when closed, but in the process they threw off the lockup when it was in the open position.

Were those boneheaded oversights that someone at DPx and/or LionSteel should have thought of or noticed well before the HEST folders started hitting the streets? Absolutely. Do they make LionSteel forever suspect as a manufacturer? I'd argue 'no': with the exception of the HEST 1.0, the lockups on all of my LionSteel titanium framelocks have been superb. That includes knives made before the HEST 1.0 mess (my two SR-1s) and after it (my HEST 2.0 and two LionSpys), suggesting it's not just a recent development (i.e., post-HEST 1.0).
 
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neuron said:
I've owned six LionSteel titanium framelocks -- two SR-1s, HEST folder 1.0 and 2.0, and now my pair of LionSpys that arrived yesterday -- and IMHO they know how to make an excellent titanium framelock.

I completely agree that the HEST 1.0 was a mess -- mine had the same poor lockup/lock slippage issues that a lot of other people's did. However, that seems to have been due to dumb design choices/changes rather than any fundamental issue with the manufacturing competence, tolerances, etc. of LionSteel. In particular, the stop pin of the HEST 1.0 was resized on the fly after users who got the early limited edition HEST folders noticed the blade tip protruding slightly above the handle when closed. DPx and LionSteel decided to make the stop pin smaller so that the blade wouldn't sit as high when closed, but in the process they threw off the lockup when it was in the open position.

Were those boneheaded oversights that someone at DPx and/or LionSteel should have thought of or noticed well before the HEST folders started hitting the streets? Absolutely. Do they make LionSteel forever suspect as a manufacturer? I'd argue 'no': with the exception of the HEST 1.0, the lockups on all of my LionSteel titanium framelocks have been superb. That includes knives made before the HEST 1.0 mess (my two SR-1s) and after it (my HEST 2.0 and two LionSpys), suggesting it's not just a recent development (i.e., post-HEST 1.0).
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Well I'm glad to hear they're not all lemons, but there are plenty of reports of lock up problems with the 2.0, so what I said isn't baseless. For instance, in one quick google I found:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/873716-HEST-f-2-0-Testing?p=9923492#post9923492
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-T-Folder-disassembly?p=10271944#post10271944
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-S-T-TrueKnifeReviews?p=10476013#post10476013
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-S-T-TrueKnifeReviews?p=10063148#post10063148

But it seems so far so good on the Lionspy, and since Sal/Spyderco know about these problems, I'm sure they made sure they were well QC tested before going out. It's nice to have a Spyderco knife out in Elmax, too!
 
kreole said:
Well I'm glad to hear they're not all lemons, but there are plenty of reports of lock up problems with the 2.0, so what I said isn't baseless. For instance, in one quick google I found:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/873716-HEST-f-2-0-Testing?p=9923492#post9923492
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-T-Folder-disassembly?p=10271944#post10271944
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-S-T-TrueKnifeReviews?p=10476013#post10476013
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-S-T-TrueKnifeReviews?p=10063148#post10063148

But it seems so far so good on the Lionspy, and since Sal/Spyderco know about these problems, I'm sure they made sure they were well QC tested before going out. It's nice to have a Spyderco knife out in Elmax, too!
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Just to rectify any misunderstanding, I wasn't saying that your or others' concerns about lockup issues with LionSteel framelocks were "baseless", just that my own experience with a range of LionSteel's titanium framelocks gives cause for hope (especially on non-HEST models like the SR-1 and LionSpy). :)
 
I called NewGraham today and asked their customer service to look over my LionSpy for any possible issues. No e-mail or phone call back so I hope no news is good news.
 
Really? Wow. I thought they were among the gold standard. Ooops....

neverdie36 said:
These are manufactured by lionsteel right? I hope spyderco will be doing QC because I'm not too confident in lionsteel's F&F
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OK, never mind...I was thinking of their own-branded knives, not (as I assume the post above is speaking of) the DPx knives.


neuron said:
I've owned six LionSteel titanium framelocks -- two SR-1s, HEST folder 1.0 and 2.0, and now my pair of LionSpys that arrived yesterday -- and IMHO they know how to make an excellent titanium framelock.

I completely agree that the HEST 1.0 was a mess -- mine had the same poor lockup/lock slippage issues that a lot of other people's did. However, that seems to have been due to dumb design choices/changes rather than any fundamental issue with the manufacturing competence, tolerances, etc. of LionSteel. In particular, the stop pin of the HEST 1.0 was resized on the fly after users who got the early limited edition HEST folders noticed the blade tip protruding slightly above the handle when closed. DPx and LionSteel decided to make the stop pin smaller so that the blade wouldn't sit as high when closed, but in the process they threw off the lockup when it was in the open position.

Were those boneheaded oversights that someone at DPx and/or LionSteel should have thought of or noticed well before the HEST folders started hitting the streets? Absolutely. Do they make LionSteel forever suspect as a manufacturer? I'd argue 'no': with the exception of the HEST 1.0, the lockups on all of my LionSteel titanium framelocks have been superb. That includes knives made before the HEST 1.0 mess (my two SR-1s) and after it (my HEST 2.0 and two LionSpys), suggesting it's not just a recent development (i.e., post-HEST 1.0).
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My sr1 is flawless
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I own an xm18,sng, 790 subrosa, lfti and have owned a lg starbenza ,spyderco military ti. The sr1 s framleock is second to none of those knive's framelocks
 
The SR-1, I have is flawless and I agree lock-up is very tight and the entire knife feels very rigid even out to the tip.
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what about the roto block? on the lionspy (i think they could of come up with a better name than that) and the sr-1
 
slight said:
what about the roto block? on the lionspy (i think they could of come up with a better name than that) and the sr-1
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What about it? On all of the LionSteel framelocks I've owned, it works exactly as it should (although honestly I've never felt the need to use it except a few times just to try it out).
 
I'm on the fence about getting this knife. I'm not overly concerned about cosmetics just fit and function. I had it pre-ordered until I saw the overall weight of the knife, 5.9 oz. I typically only carry sub-5oz knives. I watched the video and it was pretty good but can you give us some feedback on the overall feel of the knife? Pocketablilty?
Is it too heavy?
How does it handle daily cutting tasks?
Does the thickness of the blade cause a lot of binding?
How does it feel in hand?
Any issues with deploying the knife?
Relative size?

For reference, my current rotation is between a Rossi regrind Lego SnG and Superleaf. I'm also a huge Para II fan. Give me some feedback to push me over the edge one way or the other.
 
Mine arrived this afternoon. See OP for fit & finish remarks. Mine is not perfect, but better than his.
I have a new bald spot on my arm, so it is sharp. I've carried Sebenza's for years, so this feels very good in hand
and the weight is not an issue to me.
This just pushed out my Para 2 in CTS 20-CP out of my pocket.
 
neuron said:
What about it? On all of the LionSteel framelocks I've owned, it works exactly as it should (although honestly I've never felt the need to use it except a few times just to try it out).
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well im wondering if it really makes it that much stronger. and it works as a lock stop too right?
 
slight said:
well im wondering if it really makes it that much stronger. and it works as a lock stop too right?
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It's not really something that enhances strength so much as it is a stop that prevents overextension or (when you rotate it to the "on" position) disengagement of the lock. But like I mentioned, I've never felt the need to use the RotoBlock function. I've also never really had a use for it as a lockstop, since all of the LionSteel titanium framelocks I've owned have had very strong tension in the lockbar (in other words, you have to push pretty hard to get the lockbar all the way over -- and just to be clear, I'm not referring to lock stickiness, which hasn't been an issue).

Things like the RotoBlock and other forms of lockbar stop and/or stabilizer are nice, but ultimately what determines whether there's a good lockup is the basic design and fit of the lockbar, blade tang, etc. The stabilizer/stop functions are just there so that people don't mess up that fit (for instance, by accidentally pushing way too hard and overextending the lockbar when wearing gloves and/or when the adrenaline is pumping -- according to Rick, this happened to him once during a call as a volunteer firefighter, and that's what prompted him to design and implement his lockbar stabilizer/stop).
 
Mine showed up today. It looks pretty good. The only complaint is that it has an uneven blade grind towards the tip. It's not real bad but is noticeable. Other than that it's great. It's considerably lighter than my Sr-1. I can see this one doing pocket time.
 
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