Lone Ranger (thumbs down)

[colubrid]

Lone Ranger sucks at communicating, besides for that no foul.

okay, so where is the proper forum for this?


Whine and Cheese?

but really it had nothing to do with communicating. I aked if the blade was centered and he said "do me a favor pass up this purchase i do not want any problems these are spydercos not rolexes". It was just out in left field. What problems???


bizzarre i tell ya..
That is why my post.

 

[dericdesmond]

My experience with Lone Ranger, his communication sucked, Better? And I disagree, it does have to do with communication. It really doesnt surprise me that he told you what he did and I cant say I blame him. But it is always best to just answer simple questions such as the one you asked to prevent bum pain. If he is accurate with the whole, you made him an offer that he accepted then you were asking questions after the fact, you should have a bit more understanding that he would reply the way he did. If anything is bizare, in my opinion, is when people want a factory knife to be perfect, and at half of msrp at that.

 

[colubrid]

in my opinion, is when people want a factory knife to be perfect, and at half of msrp at that.

So in your opinion it was wrong of me to even ask if the balde was leaning because it was near half MSRP. That in itslelf justified the Lone Ranger for his reponse.

mannnnn, this has become an unfriendly place. i always looked it at more as family because we share a passion. A passion that we had since we were kids.

 

[dericdesmond]

So in your opinion it was wrong of me to even ask if the balde was leaning because it was near half MSRP. That in itslelf justified the Lone Ranger for his reponse.

mannnnn, this has become an unfriendly place. i always looked it at more as family because we share a passion. A passion that we had since we were kids.

I said nothing of the sort, just because I think its bizarre, doesnt mean its wrong.

And this is a very friendly place, we are discussing, if you cant handle it then dont create threads.

 

[FLymon]

So in your opinion it was wrong of me to even ask if the balde was leaning because it was near half MSRP. That in itslelf justified the Lone Ranger for his reponse.

Not speaking for anyone else, but if you asked Lone Ranger if he would take $100 (or any other amount lower than the asking price) for his knife and he agreed, it's sold. Offer, consideration, acceptance (if I remember my contract law class correctly from 25 years ago). You then crawfished on the deal by putting conditions on the sale after a price was agreed to. He was probably put off by your behavior and didn't want to waste any more time with you. I don't blame him

If, on the other hand, you did not negotiate price before you started with the conditions, he just didn't want to answer the questions. I would assume that he knows the knife is not centered and just doesn't want to go on record as such. Big deal, buy from someone else.

 

[Rhesus Feces]

Not speaking for anyone else, but if you asked Lone Ranger if he would take $100 (or any other amount lower than the asking price) for his knife and he agreed, it's sold. Offer, consideration, acceptance (if I remember my contract law class correctly from 25 years ago). You then crawfished on the deal by putting conditions on the sale after a price was agreed to. He was probably put off by your behavior and didn't want to waste any more time with you. I don't blame him

If, on the other hand, you did not negotiate price before you started with the conditions, he just didn't want to answer the questions. I would assume that he knows the knife is not centered and just doesn't want to go on record as such. Big deal, buy from someone else.

This.

 

[Gastonknife]

I don't see the point of starting a thread on this. Based on info presented there was not a deal finalized and seems like the seller felt buyer was a problem waiting to happen and said it's best we don't do biz. So he didn't want to sell to you - buy somewhere else. Based on the exisitence of this thread he was probably correct.

 

[colubrid]

Let me clear up some misconceptions on the Lone anger fracas.

First the interent is a double edge sword which means even the most base of rumors can become a matter of debate at an effort to get at the truth as it makes most sense to them.

First the seller (lone ranger) had two of the same exact knife he posted for sale. i wanted him to send the one that did not have a leaning blade and asked if he could check to make sure the blade was not leaning.

Second I try to be extremly polite when doing any business. One thing that bothers me is when someone asks a ton of questions and pictures to be sent and then lowballs the price after i went through all the trouble and the knife was perfect in every way. This type of buyer already made up their mind what they would pay for a knife.

So there are two choices here. My very first email i asked if he would sell the knife at the price i was willing to pay.

let me explain it with another example of a CRK Umfann I was selling and you might have been interested in:

Lets say I posted an CRK Unmfann for sale with no pictures in the thread (which is what the lone ranger did. He had no pics).

Now lets say I was asking $600. for the Umfann and you knew in your mind, no matter how nice the knive was, YOU would not spend more then $500. on it. period. But was interested in getting a Umfann.

So wouldn't it be more polite to first ask me if I would take $500. for the knife rather than waste my time with questions and me sending pictures and going back and forth and then offer $500?

hmmm, I was being very polite and considerate. Don't you agree?


Long story short. The Lone ranger was really off base here and I felt he needed a power wash on ethics..



My apologies for taking up so much space and posting on the wrong forum. I already asked the mod to move this if he feels it should be in Whine & cheese or other forum.

 

[BladeChick777]

By Asking Him To Take A Certain Price You Were Saying "Okay Yeah I Want The Knife But For This Price" Then You Asked Him Questions.

Don't Say You Want A Knife And You'll Pay Said Price, Then Start With A Bunch Of Questions.

When I Show Interest In A Knife, When Discussing The Knife I Ask All The Questions Before We Make A Deal. I Try To. I Know Sometimes I Have Messed That Up Myself, But This Is What I Try To Do.

 

[colubrid]

By Asking Him To Take A Certain Price You Were Saying "Okay Yeah I Want The Knife But For This Price" Then You Asked Him Questions.

Don't Say You Want A Knife And You'll Pay Said Price, Then Start With A Bunch Of Questions.

When I Show Interest In A Knife, When Discussing The Knife I Ask All The Questions Before We Make A Deal. I Try To. I Know Sometimes I Have Messed That Up Myself, But This Is What I Try To Do.

I didn't make a deal. i just asked him if he would sell it for what i was willing to pay before asking questions and wasting his time.

Why would i bother him by asking questions and ask for pics and then lowball him if the knife was perfect?

besides that i never saw a pic nor did I ask for one. I just asked if the blade was leaning.

Also since he had two knives this was more of a request.

 

[CWL]

The LR answered your question. He said he didn't want to deal with you.

You got an answer, just not for the question you asked.

He doesn't owe you anything more than that.

You need to deal with it and move on.

 

[colubrid]

Oh I moved on.

And i am not the one prolonging this thread. The lone ranger gave his side of it which he was hoping you would buy into. Evidently it needed some cleaning up.

 

[FLymon]

Lets say I posted an CRK Unmfann for sale with no pictures in the thread (which is what the lone ranger did. He had no pics).

Now lets say I was asking $600. for the Umfann and you knew in your mind, no matter how nice the knive was, YOU would not spend more then $500. on it. period. But was interested in getting a Umfann.

So wouldn't it be more polite to first ask me if I would take $500. for the knife rather than waste my time with questions and me sending pictures and going back and forth and then offer $500?

hmmm, I was being very polite and considerate. Don't you agree?

Personally I would say while you might have been polite, you could have been more considerate.

As to the Umfann hypothetical, no I don't agree. First I would be sure it met my criteria since I wouldn't buy an Umfann for any price that had an off-center blade (except to flip for a profit maybe). Once I thought the knife was in the condition I wanted I would then offer the $500. I believe a seller is much more likely to give a yes to a solid offer after he is invested in the process a little more than getting a question like "Will you accept "x" for your knife?".

If the roles were reversed and you approached me by asking if I would take a certain price, and I was agreeable, my answer would be "It's yours, here is my PayPal address".

Bottom line is the two of you didn't see eye to eye in the negotiations, and he decided to pass on you as a buyer.
That is not unethical at all, and neither of you suffered any damages at all.

 

[colubrid]

Personally I would say while you might have been polite, you could have been more considerate.

As to the Umfann hypothetical, no I don't agree. First I would be sure it met my criteria since I wouldn't buy an Umfann for any price that had an off-center blade (except to flip for a profit maybe). Once I thought the knife was in the condition I wanted I would then offer the $500. I believe a seller is much more likely to give a yes to a solid offer after he is invested in the process a little more than getting a question like "Will you accept "x" for your knife?".

If the roles were reversed and you approached me by asking if I would take a certain price, and I was agreeable, my answer would be "It's yours, here is my PayPal address".

Bottom line is the two of you didn't see eye to eye in the negotiations, and he decided to pass on you as a buyer.
That is not unethical at all, and neither of you suffered any damages at all.

Okay if you posted an ad and it had no pictures and i asked you for pictures of how far over the lockbar is, and if asked for pics of the blade closed to see if the blade was centered and then asked if there is any play in the blade during lockup. Wether it was just questions or pics. You and i would go back and forth on a knife i had no intention of paying the asking price on no matter how perfect the condition was because i has already established in my mind i would opay $100 less. So then i hit you with .."well, would you take $XXX ?" You would be fine with that?

Sorry but i consider that to be very selfish and inconsiderate. I wish that a seller would ask if i would sell the knife for a lower price before wasting my time with questions and pics. In other words don't waste my time unless i first agree to the price if you are not willing to pay the asking price if the knife checks out..

You see, I deal with this subject on the type of work i do every day. I sell high end morphs of snakes.

see : Bluerosy.com

Buyers always ask pics of the excat snakes they are interested in. i have to take the snake outdoors. Get several pics. Down load onto the computer ect and then they come back with a lowball offer. Not good! And i have more experience with this tpoic on ethics than anyone here. Let me tell ya. It is a real pain the the ass and a waste of time to ask questions and then take up my time and offer less then the asking price.

But whilst this is all very interesting banter on ethics for selling a knife. Either way you look at it, he..the Lone ranger, was in this case was rude and inconsderate. I thought is was unusual behavior and warranted a thread. Yes i was not injured finacially in any way. But i also did not know this forum was only for posts where someone has to be "injured" or lose money to post. That is why i asked this to be moved to the approriate forum.

So I ask again ( if this is the wrong forum as so many say). Please move this thread. if not, then it is in the right place.

 

[lone ranger]

to mr colubrid if i offended you by not selling to you i aplogize, but after lowering my price when you said you had only 100.00 dollars in paypal i felt you had reached a decision to buy then you asked if knives were centered and such i informed you that these were new and straight from spyderco, you informed me you had problems before and had to have knives repaired by spyderco then why buy anymore? at this point i saw trouble coming , your next email ACCUSED me of ignoring your questions on centering of blade, this pissed me off and i decided not to sell to you but the damage has been done, you have bought into question my reputation as a honest seller MERRY CHRISTMAS[ by the way i was only rude after you accused me of not answering your question on purpose which i did not do on purpose only thru oversight ''''''''''these are spydercos not rolexes''''''''' i brought on this on myself i should have stuck to my original price and not lowered it because you informed me you did not have enough funds in your paypal account and wanted one of these live and learn let us go on no more useless banter

 

[Cutshaw]

As others have said, no deal here so there should be no thread. Most of us who have sold on the Blade Ex have a literal notation that I *may* refuse to do business with anyone I wish. Some folks are just trouble.

Unless you're a dealer, this is a hobby and you're here to have fun. I am. If one individual sucks too much of that fun factor out for me, I don't want to deal with them.

Just because this is the way you prefer to do business: establish a maximum price you are willing to pay to the seller before you've gathered all of the details of the item, it doesn't make it the right way, the only way or even the usual way. Myself, and most folks I know, want to know as much about the item they are willing to make an offer on before they can judge the value of the item to make an offer. The offer then being based on my perceived value of item not item being valued based on my personal budget.

OP: Might someone else *not* have been put off by your behavior and demeanor? Maybe. Do business with them. The Lone Ranger chose to not do business with you because of that same behavior though. Thankfully on BFC there is no Big Brother who is going to *make* a seller engage in a transaction with any member because the prospective buyer is entitled to purchase that product by virtue of being a member. I use TGB&TU to screen folks and decide who I will transact with... not just folks who are complained about but sometimes the complainers too. It might *not* be the best way to conduct a business but it can be a fruitful and less disappointing way to conduct a hobby.

 

[red1965]

You asked if he would take a dollar amount, he agreed. Knife is Sold Pending Funds in my understanding. He decides not to sell for what ever reason. Keeps you from flaking on the deal. Your off the hook. You post a thread which pretty much ruins both of your reps.
Think that about covers it.

 

[cziv]

You see, I deal with this subject on the type of work i do every day. I sell high end morphs of snakes.

see : Bluerosy.com

Buyers always ask pics of the excat snakes they are interested in. i have to take the snake outdoors. Get several pics. Down load onto the computer ect and then they come back with a lowball offer. Not good! And i have more experience with this tpoic on ethics than anyone here. Let me tell ya. It is a real pain the the ass and a waste of time to ask questions and then take up my time and offer less then the asking price.

I think your webhost booted you dude

The hosting contract for Bluerosy.com expired on 6-Dec-2011. Please contact xxxx@jxxxxnteractiveDOTnet for further information.

 

[GigOne]

I think this is something worth mentioning.

Something worth mentioning. . . . .this thread is a waste of bandwidth.

Based on your whiney BS in this thread. . . .the OP (Lone Ranger) was right and had enough forethought to see a train wreck coming in dealing with you.

 

[Handwrecker]

Sorry but i consider that to be very selfish and inconsiderate.

I guess I don't understand where you're coming from. You started by low balling the guy. After you sending multiple emails but no payment on an agreed upon deal, the Rolex/Spyderco comment doesn't seem rude or out of line. Especially with your email accusations.

It sucks you didn't get the Spydercos at a cheap price, but no damage has been done. Unfortunate both of your usernames are tied to this thread. I hope future deals go better :thumbup: