Lost a knife to day

YES!!!! this knife can become legal by removing the tumb opening system!!! tell them you know a guy who can do this knife legal! the only thing is that after you'll have to show up at the police station to show them your knife is after modification LEGAL!
 
YES!!!! this knife can become legal by removing the tumb opening system!!! tell them you know a guy who can do this knife legal! the only thing is that after you'll have to show up at the police station to show them your knife is after modification LEGAL!
 
I live in Denmark too. And I do not like the knife-laws, as they do not distinguish clearly between tool-knives and weapons-knives. I do like the gun-laws though.

They do not x-ray mail from EU. And they do not charge taxes (told + moms + gebyr) either, so the prices are comparable.

I bought an Al Mar SERE 2000 from toolshop.de, and I removed the thumbstuds, and tightened the pivot a bit so you cannot shake it open. One-handed -> two-handed. It's legal now. Wonderful knife. It's worse with spydercos - it is not possible to remove the hole, so of course I do not own any :D

If you buy from US, perhaps you could get the sender to remove the studs before shipping? Or, if you happen to know someone in e.g. Germany or Holland, you could have the knife shipped to them, they could remove the studs and send the knife to you.
 
I live in Denmark too. And I do not like the knife-laws, as they do not distinguish clearly between tool-knives and weapons-knives. I do like the gun-laws though.


Gun law? In denmark you have to be member 2 years in a shooting club before you can aply for a permission to BUY a gun. After 2 years in a shooting club you can ONLY buy ONE gun in 9mm and ONE gun in 38/357 and for the fun TWO guns in caliber 22. The danish government is about to make a total prohibition about SOFT-AIR!!! In Denmark you can not even think to buy a 45 or a 44 because they think it's overkill!!! Even half automatics 22 are prohibited for hunting! DO YOU CALL IT A GOOD GUN LAW???
Tell me what is you point between TOOL KNIVES and WEAPON KNIVES?Because in my eyes every knife can be called a weapon, exept if you talk about Multitool...:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
 
Sad story.

Overgaar,

I don´t understand your logic. You obviously don´t like guns or "weapon knives". Still you want to participate at a forum that even hosts some of the "weapon knives" producers.

A bit inconsistent isn´t it?

/Colinz
 
Colinz and Oliver,

I did not intend to post troll bait. And I stand by my opinions.

Of course any knife can be used as a weapon. Including kitchen cutlery. However, some knifes are can only be used as a weapon - not as a tool. E.g. push daggers, Spyderco Civilian, some balisongs, automatics etc. That's my way of distinguishing anyway. And I do know that most people here owns/carries some of these knifes. So what? Should I feel unwelcome because my opninion differ? That would hardly be compliant with the concept of freedom you care so much for.

About guns: I do not believe that anyone should be allowed to carry guns in public. And I also think that it is reasonable to limit the size/firepower of the available guns. Would you accept people carrying M16s or even anti-tank rockets down-town in a major city? Or what if some billionaire would ride to the drugstore in a Abrams tank loaded with live shells? Where is the limit?

I prefer a society where guns are something that is carried by the police - or by outlaws. So if you get caught carrying a gun, you get punished. So I am actually quite content with the that part of the Danish society. However, I am NOT saying that e.g. USA should have the same laws. That would not be possible, given your constutution, so I have really no opninion on that matter. And no-one would cary about my opinion anyway. I do know that I now am on collision course with more than 80% the BF population: "If guns are outlawed, only outlaws carries guns", etc. So what? I still believe that (apart from hunting, shooting clubs etc) gun licences should be issued very cautiously.

Regarding soft-guns: Should we agree that soft-guns are not weapons but toys? So this is OT. Anyway, I personally find the proposed prohibition rather ridiculous.
 
Woaw...so if a guy want to buy a balisong as EDC or a pushdagger as EDC you look at him as an armed guy...But not if he carry a "legal" buck 112?Personaly I know many who used balisongs as EDC and this knifes worked just great to almost everything they used it too...

The danish government prohibited the 45 caliber even if there was sports disciplines allowing to use this caliber but do you for sure think that's ok?
We don't speak about CARRY guns...but to allow members of SHOOTING CLUBS to shoot legaly whatever the caliber they want...I don't thinks it's too much to ask...
I would not accept people going around with Anti tank stuff like you say, but there is some limits to stupidity, and a government who make such restrictives guns laws like denmark do is a government who just don't trust his population...Do you think that allowing to own ONE gun in caliber 9mm and 38sp can stop criminels to get guns? I don't think so...I've been cop in now 11 years and I've never see a criminal make a bank with a legal gun he buyed as member of a shooting club...:D
Plus whatever the restrictions, criminals will allways have by some ways acces to guns.
Unfortunately people with your way of thinking made the English Situation possible... (no guns at all).:barf: :barf: :barf:
 
Originally posted by oliverplomion
Unfortunately people with your way of thinking made the English Situation possible... (no guns at all).:barf: :barf: :barf:

Except for the criminals who now go around slaughtering who they want because no-one can defend themselves.

And those that try to defend themselves get arrested and treated worse than the actual criminals.

That's the English Situation. :barf:

Overgaar, don't you think it's strange that you don't want law abiding people to be able to defend themselves, but you are happy for criminals to go around armed however they feel like?

If a policeman needs a weapon to defend himself, than the citizens who pay his wages need weapons to protect themselves too.

Just food for thought. :)

And your tank 'argument' is plain ridiculous by the way...
 
Maybe Overgaar dosen't consider his life is worth defending? Are only the lives of politicians, rich celebrities, violent criminals and (maybe) police Officers worth protecting with a firearm? Should ordinary people just allow themselves to be murdered instead of fighting for their lives and the lives of their loved ones when they are attacked?


What if you change your mind? Shouldn’t a law-abiding citizen have the freedom of choice to own a handgun? If not, why?







- Frank
 
I have a serious problem with the danish knife and gun laws as well as out laws regarding self defence!
If the thugs who are trying to turn this once good and peaceful country into a cesspool knew that everyone and his aunt might be carrying a semiautomatic .45 with intention of using it, they would think twice before attacking people!
Criminals couldn't care less about gun, knife or whatever laws! They carry what they want whereever they want!
These laws only serve to deprive the law abiding citizens of their right to carry the tools needed for self defence!
Of course one might argue, that Denmark is relatively safe compared to other coutries and why the heck would anybody need to carry a gun?
Most of the people I shoot with, wouldn't dream of carrying a gun on a daily basis even if they could legally!
But it doesn't end there; we can't carry a can of pepper spray, a stun gun or anything else!
Does that stop the criminals from carrying the above mentioned items?

Push daggers, one hand operated folders and the likes are forbidden since they can be used as weapons! Cool! So can a screwdriver, an ice pick, a hammer, a brick and a rolled up newspaper!
I actually think these laws are working the wrong way! The make the forbidden even more interesting to the gangs and wannabe tough guys and it becomes a fashion statement to carry an illegal knife.
If everybody could carry one, it would be far less interesting and "cool" for the jerks who can't and won't control themselves!
And very soon, my small SAK, Micra and even my Swiss-Tech UtiliKey - as well as Overgaar's modified SERE 2000 along with all other knives, will be forbidden to carry in "public places"!
Thank you, oh thank you our most benevolent and wise government for protecting us, the ignorant danish people, against ourselves! There is absolutely no doubt that the criminals will throw away their knives when this law takes effect!:barf:

These laws are only good for controlling the people who live within the law anyway and wouldn't dream of stepping outside that framework!
In my not so humble opinion, it's a crime against the danish people (and all others who are in the same situation) that we are not allowed to defend ourselves and to own and carry the tools to do so when called upon.
The police has time and time again shown that they cannot protect anybody. And the few good cops I know, are getting more and more frustrated over that very fact.

Ooops....forgot to turn rant mode on! Anyway, rant mode off!:D
 
Of course any knife can be used as a weapon. Including kitchen cutlery. However, some knifes are can only be used as a weapon - not as a tool. E.g. push daggers, Spyderco Civilian, some balisongs, automatics etc. That's my way of distinguishing anyway. And I do know that most people here owns/carries some of these knifes. So what? Should I feel unwelcome because my opninion differ? That would hardly be compliant with the concept of freedom you care so much for.

I don´t agree with your opinions. I don´t understand your last sentence in this quote. Did you infer that I was an U.S. citizen. My country of origin and current location can be read on the left side of this post, right under my "handle". I do seem to have a different concept of freedom than you do.

I hope the politicians that know better than the Danish voters don´t decide to outlaw your "tactical knife" or should I say "weapon-knife", the SERE 2000.

/Colinz
 
Hi Frank...
Defend yourself? In Denmark? want to hear a story? Here in Denmark, in the town where I live an old man (72 years old) woke up in the midle on the night because a perp was in his sleeping room! the perp was searching in the closet of the old man so the old man took the good heavy old fashion alarm clock and smashed it on the head of the perp!
After that he called the cops the perp was arested. they went in court, the perp got nothing because he was junkie and part of a reabilitation project, but the old man who defended his house was charged for "violence" and convinced for that.
Imagine if he had shot the bastard!
unfortunately most part of the Danish people have too much trust in their system and still naively believe that to stop a crime they just have to call the police...
OVERGAAR, since you're so much happy for the danish gun law and feel them so perfect, what is the difference between a psycho with 5 differents legals guns and a psycho with only one legal gun? Does it make this psycho less dangerous? So no Overgaar...restriction in caliber and number of legal guns is not a solution...
 
But Oli.....he should have offered the poor junkie a cup of coffee and all of his money and valuables instead of hitting him over the head with a deadly assault alarm clock
Old people nowadays....!:D
If the guy had broken in here, they would never have found his body and I don't think I would have troubled our already overworked police force with such a trivial matter! Last thing I heard, was that they were working on a big case with some thug who had drawn his deadly folder smack in the middle of the city square and attacked a completely innocent apple! He had gotten out when an employee from the old folks home had forgotten to lock the door and old Harald had gone AWOL, carrying his fourty years old 4,5 cm. folding knife!;):D
 
Oliver, it just goes to show that those darn old people are getting out of line! :mad:

Where dose that old guy get off assaulting some poor crack head with an alarm clock, just because he broke in and robbed him. It’s bad enough that he’s been sucking up air for 72 years - hasn’t he lived long enough already? After all, the guy that broke in is probably much younger and has a whole long happy life of crime to look forward to if it weren’t for mean old people hitting him with alarm clocks!





- Frank
 
Frank,
Good point! What kind of world is it, where an honest young criminal just going about his business, suddenly gets assaulted by an old geezer with an attitude? Most shocking I say, most shocking indeed!
 
Bo, this type of geezer violence could so easily be prevented if they would just pass some reasonable alarm clock control laws!





- Frank
 
Frank,
Yes indeed! A ban on all alarm clocks that are not bolted to the wall and hence cannot be used as a weapon! Of course all high capacity alarm clocks with the features to ring more than twice should be banned too:D

And Carl,
Sorry to hijack your thread buddy! Our laws are just so so sad you gotta make som fun of them!:) :rolleyes:

p.s: I wonder what violence against the actual alarm clock would get me? Several of mine have ended their days with violent head-on collissions with hard objects like walls and bedposts!:D
 
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: hahahahahahaa...yeah ok...it sound funny....but Damn...some guy like OVERGAAR make this stupid laws possible in Denmark! Speaking about him... doeas he left the forum and never want to come back? didn't saw an answer to his "well thinking" comments...
Yeah Carl...sorry to hijack the subject but to listen than some of our fellow citizen suport a system who took a Sebenza because they look at it as a dangerous weapon just make me freak out!
Unfortunately it's OK for more and more Danish people that the government cut of our most fundamental right as TO OWN a knife of our choice...Nobody say a **** against that because they're to busy to keep theres "hjemme hygge" in place.:barf:
 
Oliverplomion,

Nice to hear from a fellow police officer in another country, especially when our views on "weapon control" (i.e. "people control") sound so similar.

I've long tried to persuade my wife to go on a bicycling holiday in Denmark, because I hear it's very flat!

Also, I enjoy travelling in countries where the criminals aren't allowed to own weapons, like Britain :rolleyes: . I feel so much safer.

"Gun crime trebles as weapons and drugs flood British cities
By David Bamber, Home Affairs Correspondent
(Filed: 24/02/2002)


GUN crime has almost trebled in London during the past year and is soaring in other British cities, according to Home Office figures obtained by The Telegraph.

Police chiefs fear that Britain is witnessing the kind of cocaine-fuelled violence that burst upon American cities in the 1980s. Cocaine, particularly from Jamaica, now floods into Britain, while the availability of weapons - many of them from eastern Europe - is also increasing.

Detectives in London say that the illegal importation of guns started after the end of the Bosnia conflict and that they are changing hands for as little as £200. During the 10 months to January 31, there were 939 crimes involving firearms in the Metropolitan Police area compared with 322 in the 10 months to the end of January, 2001 - an almost three-fold increase.

In Merseyside there were 57 shootings during the 12 months to last December compared with 15 in the same period the year before. Greater Manchester also recorded a 23 per cent increase in gun crime and there have been rises in Nottinghamshire, Avon and Somerset, West Yorkshire and the Northumbria Police area which covers Newcastle.

Gun crimes during the first 10 months of the annual period have trebled in most of the urban areas which have so far submitted statistics to the Home Office. Sir John Stevens, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, said gun gangs were spreading across the country whereas, until recently, they were confined to a handful of London boroughs.

Sir John said: "We have to stem the large number of guns coming in. We know you can buy a gun in London for £200 to £300, and that's frightening. The price of hiring or buying a gun has come down because there are more guns circulating. We are having success; we are taking out about 600 guns a year."

The new gun crime figures also show that handgun crime has soared past levels last seen before the Dunblane massacre of 1996 and the ban on the weapons that followed. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997, the year after Thomas Hamilton, an amateur shooting enthusiast, shot dead 16 schoolchildren, their teacher and himself in Dunblane, Perthshire.

It was hoped that the measure would reduce the number of handguns available to criminals. According to internal Home Office statistics, however, handgun crime is now at its highest since 1993."

maximus otter
 
Maximus,
Come one over! Denmark is actually a great country for a bicycling holiday! Lots of bike paths and resonably quiet roads that aren't too bad!
It is pretty flat! The highest elevations are around 150 meters over sea level, so you won't need to change your gearing!:)
If you'r down south at the islands, I'll provide free camping on the lawn!
 
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