Loyalty...

Ottoshot

Ottoshot

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A few years ago there was a bear attack on a canoeist and his dog in the area where I live. Long story short, while the bear was busy with the dog the man jumped on the bears back and stabbed it to death thereby saving the life of his dog. And most likely his own as well.

I was talking to two of my co workers about this and was suprised to hear when they said that they would have ran away while the bear was busy with the dog. They laughed at me after I had said that I would have done the same thing that man had done. I guess we will never know if I would have the balls to jump on a bears back to save my dog but im pretty damn sure I know what I would do.

Keep in mind here we are dealing with a black bear and not a grizzly or brown. I belive there is a difference between the three. I have had a few encounters with black bears before and every time they have been terrified of me, I dont fear them. I dont think dog or man stands much of a chance against a grizzly.

What would you do? Is a dog just a dog or is it a loyal friend that would give its life to protect you and deserves the same?

No black bear is going to kill my dog without a fight. heres a link to the story.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/07/25/tilley-sam.html
 
Ottoshot said:
... thereby saving the life of his dog. And most likely his own as well.
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You can't outrun the bear. If he is determined to attack, the best time to face him is when the dog is distracting him, not when he is pursuing or knocking you down.

Loyalty (altruism, cooperation) is a survival skill.

(Welcome to Bladeforums! :) Moved to the proper forum.)
 
Thanks Esav. I just needed to vent a little... It bothers me that sometimes a dog exhibits better qualities than its human counterpart, ie loyalty to those who are loyal to you. I mean sure its "only a dog" but anything conscious being that will fight until the bitter end to protect me gets an immediate level of respect that is hard earned, that being dog or human.

I look out for those who look out for me... a saying that I have lived my life by.
 
Good idea. The alternative is to find yourself looking around wondering where your friends are when you need them, after you ran out on them when they needed you.
 
I would never leave my dog behind, regardless of the consequences.

My dog would never leave me behind, regardless of the consequences.
 
Dog is family. Least a man can do is defend his family especially if their defending you.
 
I would never leave my dog, hell he is my constant companion and devoted to me. Now my son in law there is a different story he has left me in the clutches of danger.
 
mkhop said:
I would never leave my dog, hell he is my constant companion and devoted to me. Now my son in law there is a different story he has left me in the clutches of danger.
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Time to take your son in-law to the pound to be put down. :D
Yeah...you've got to be loyal to those that are loyal to you.
You need to have a code to live by. Protect your pooch!
(Ex-wives don't count.)
 
Esav Benyamin said:
You can't outrun the bear. If he is determined to attack, the best time to face him is when the dog is distracting him, not when he is pursuing or knocking you down.

Loyalty (altruism, cooperation) is a survival skill.

(Welcome to Bladeforums! :) Moved to the proper forum.)
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Esav, you are absolutely right....that is the time to attack the bear, when your dog is at least distracting him.
Let me tell you what...I'm not trying right now to sing the praises of Jerry Busse, but, let me tell you something. My FBMLE would, with no exageration (sp), (if I could get the shot), travel into that bear so far, it would sever it's spinal cord.
 
I will say it's kinda sad the lengths I would go to for my dogs. It's well beyond what the average person would do I think.
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and if you want to see one pissed off German Shepherd Dog, just give his little 5lb friend some trouble.
 
Two thoughts:
My dog is a member of my family -- family members get defended.
I have no doubt that my dog would unhesitatingly defend me -- how, in good conscience, could I not do the same in return?
 
No chance in hell that I'm leaving my dog behind. Man and Dog made a loyalty pact thousands of years ago. People tend to forget that. We would not be where we are today as a society without the help of Brother Wolf.
 
The problem with black bears is that they are extremely unpredictable.

A company I used to work for in Ontario lost three people in the field due to bear attacks over the course of twelve years, the last one was definitely the worst attack, which involved a black bear near Timmins that killed a field assistant. Black bears very rarely attack, but when they do their attacks are almost always fatal. People are generally too complacent around black bears in my opinion. Since this terrible death, I have taught bear safety almost religiously to any new field assistants I have had on my crews, and I always stress the dangers of complacency (in my experience deterrents such as bear spay can breed complacency as people have too much confidence in them and take risks that they wouldn't normally take; and while better than nothing, bear spray to me is a last resort, but lets save that for another discussion).

Here is good example. I had been working in central Labrador for three field seasons in the same fly-in camp. Bears entered camp, came close to camp, or there was a bear incident in the field almost daily. I would say there had been literally hundreds of incidents (by incidents I mean deterrents were used to scare away a bear). During the fourth field season a bear entered camp at night (this had never happened before at night). The bear tore the side of this tent open while the occupant was sleeping and clamped his jaw down on his pillow and mattress pulling them outside of the tent. A couple of inches to the right and it would have been his head. He had no food in his tent, nothing that would have attracted the bear to him besides his own scent. The bear came back two more times that night, deterrents were used (12Ga plastic) but I was forced to shoot the bear.


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note the teeth marks on pillow and piece of foam matress torn away

This was a very unusual case, and the first time that anything like this had happened in this area. It really gave everyone a scare and woke everyone up.

The moral of the story is to always be prepared, never let your guard down, and realise that to be complacent in bear country can be killer!!
 
Nothing in the world, man or animal, is going to hurt my dog. I will bring down the thunder.
 
I can replace my dog (& will eventually), but my kids can't replace their father.

Run, & honor the dog who saved your life by keeping it.
 
I would fight anyone or anything to help my dog, no two ways about it !!!
 
ima cat person

but shud i have a dog

it have to be a killer to maul and tear things apart hahaha
 
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