m-tech knives

[Keith Montgomery]

Averageguy, the average knife out of Japan in the mid 90s was far superior to any MTech knife that I have tried. I can't think of a single Seki knife from that period that wasn't better by a mile. MTech knives are average $10.00 knives and nothing more. If you get a good one, you get decent value for your money, nothing more.

How much experience do you have with MTech knives?

I always find it amusing to see some people's cavalier attitude towards design theft. Like it's no big deal. It's no big deal to you, but it is a big deal to the person that is getting ripped off.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

You truly haven't got a clue do you ?

From reading his posts I have come to the conclusion that the answer to that question is pretty obvious.

 

[Culpeper]

The majority of low priced knives regardless of brand are made in China. Why stop at Mtech - you are implying all Chinese knives are junk. If one is just slightly discriminating, you can pick up a very serviceable knife from China. I'm convinced no one bad mouthing Mtech in this thread has actually spent $15 or $20 recently on a Chinese knife - you really can't find much to like in a cool knife that costs a fraction of what you normally spend on a knife. You just have to find a way to justify your purchases even though, shy of steel choice (those cheap steels can be plenty of tough and may survive a few days in the woods), they're all made through CAD and CAM regardless of what you paid.

I tried to give away a Schrade (Chinese) barlow knife on Ebay. Not one bid. Not one. Shipping was free too. Even put up images of menacing Chinese soldiers from the Korean War to no avail.

 

[diamdave]

Some of the V-tech FB's aren't bad for a cheap knife. But I've heard nothing but bad about M-tech. No thanks, as mentioned above, an affordable Kershaw Skyline or Byrd or Beretta folder is IME MUCH better.

 

[MORIMOTOM]

You guys bad mouthing Mtech - post a picture of your RECENT Mtech purchase. Yes you can still buy crap if you buy the absolute cheapest knives but Mtech has come a long way in the last few years. The fact is there is precious little difference between some mtechs made today and Japanese folders of the mid ninetees when they were the only game in town. As I said earlier these knives share the same features for the knives carrying other brands logos.

" But just because it's made on CNC mills "just like" my Benchmades and Spydercos, that does not mean it's made "just like" my BMs and Spydies. They are not made to the same tolerances. They are not made with equal materials. They are not given proper heat treatment on the steel, like it would even matter with the junk they use. And most of all, they are not made with any sense of pride. And in the case of MTech, they are not made with any sense of ethics regarding the art of the original designers that they blatantly and shamelessly rip off."

How could you possibly know these things? Are you privy to the inner going ons at these various factories. The computers do what you tell them.

I wrote a long time ago that modern manufacturing methods would blur the lines between custom and factory knives - as regards differences between factory knives - these are very fine lines indeed.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Benchmade knife made in the same factory as an Mtech. Right now the single biggest difference is in the quality of the blade. Mtech offers what it knows it can sell - if enough people demand a better steel Mtech will have no problem offering this as well.

Making a knife is not rocket science - heat treating is not rocket science, thank god because we depend on Chinese heat treat every day.
Our love of knives causes us to believe they are something magical but they are a very simple tool.

here ya go.

absolute piece of crap. snapped at about 10 degrees of flex. a very cheap knock off of a busse mean street. scales were unevenly ground and each was a different size. the edges of the scales were sharper than the blade.

pic taken in summer 2007.

happy now? btw, you can go ahead and make a disparaging remark regarding my post count, as you normally do.

 

[Haze]

You guys bad mouthing Mtech - post a picture of your RECENT Mtech purchase.

OK. lets see some pics of YOUR m-tech knives that bring you the the conclusion they are worth more than laughing at ???

You know full well m-tech is company with no morals and no quality standards etc.
You have just found somethng to argue about.
Your posts around here of late have really been pointless, showing you have no idea about alot of things and are just looking for a pissing match.

Get a grip :thumbdn:

 

[John T Wylie Jr]

he may not respond tonight.. I don't think the M-tech facility is open at night

 

[tntbegg]

MTech is the cutlery equivalent of a child molester. Worst scum on earth.

I just don't think I can say it any better than this!!!!


As for this idiotic comment "If you feel threatened by a pos counterfeit it doesn't say much for your knives."
We don't feel threatened, we feel OUTRAGED BECAUSE OUR WORK IS BEING STOLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tanya

 

[averageguy]

"OUTRAGED BECAUSE OUR WORK IS BEING STOLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

I would be outraged too if someone was confusing a $15.00 knockoff with my custom work. Back to the drawing board - huh.

Yes, I'm being argumentative but the poster asked if others had found their Mtech knife to be useful - for me the answer is; yes.

I find it hard to believe the same person with an appreciation and the resources for fine knives is looking to purchase an Mtech as a substitute for one of yours.

Unless it is an exact copy of a trademark design, I'm not sure you would find redress in an American court even if the manufacturer were based in the US.

Given the realities of the world, perhaps you could approach them about a licensing arrangement where you could make sure the knife was made the right way and get some of that money.

The earliest knives I recall purchasing as an adult were Japanese folders in the $20-30 range back in 1995 - I remember a line of Benchmade lockbacks with plastic handles and some Rigid brand folders - the two mtechs I've purchased beat these hands down - and given an adjusted dollar cost about 1/4 the price.

Good value - hell yes.

 

[BigE]

The earliest knives I recall purchasing as an adult were Japanese folders in the $20-30 range back in 1995 -

It appears you haven't been an adult quite long enough to learn a few important things in life. You've been proven wrong. You can't win here. :yawn:

 

[Bastid]

Nothing wrong with a bargain if you need one, but why patronize a company that is ripping off designs? Does not make sense to me to reward them, but if you have no problem with that, go right ahead and patronize them.

For me there are too many companies with ethics that produce cheap knives so I would chose to patronize them instead.

To each their own, but I feel sorry for folks who can not grasp right from wrong or can come to terms with doing business with unethical companies.

Legality many times has nothing to do with basic ethics. Personally, I do not patronize a company that steels ideas and designs and there is no argument that can be made to me that convinces me that it OK for them to copy designs no matter what legal recourse is.

 

[Sal Glesser]

Hi Average guy,

M-Tech, AKA Double 8, AKA Seven & Seven, etc. etc.

They have been around for many years. Henry Lee (owner) has been copying designs for more than 25 years. He keeps changing company names for a reason.

It is the design that carries the product, any product. They are design thieves. Designers spend a great deal of time and effort to create a design. The thief spends no time or effort in their theft.

It is an question of ethics and supporting companies that lack in that area.

Design thieves hurt the industry, in my opinion.

sal

 

[Michael Lovett]

Damed Right Tanya!

There was a show on PBS tonight, ( a re-run), about exactly this topic. It was about the unreal world market problems being brought on by the Counterfeiting of goods. It isn't just about our knives. It,s about just abut any and every legitimate product you can think of. Not just high end products, but food. Prescription drugs. poor copies of auto parts such as BREAK parts. People all over the planet have died because of some of these knockoffs. After Surgery pain med. faked, and finding their way into hospitals. A cough syrup manufactured in China and sold to the government in Panama, killed many patients in the hospital, not to mention patients who it was delivered to on their version of Medicaid. It was made from Anti Freeze!!! Remember the Pet food deaths in this country. But it is just as good as the real thing!!! Yeah Right,friggin Moron!

These same people are involved in money laundering, slavery, smuggling. you name it. So does it piss me off. YOU BET. They are a bunch of damed crooks.

To come on here and make excuses, or worse tell us how it's worth if because he can save a few dollars. Man, either he just doesn't give a damed about what crook do , is a crook himself, or just a damed fool. I can understand not knowing. I can forgive ignorance. But he has been told different.

Any one ever notice the most ignorant people are many times the most arrogant as well?

It has been a long night in the shop, and this moron isn't worth another minute of my time. If he insist on being stupid, and proud of it, who are we to try and help him out. Especially since it seems he doesn't want the the advice of years of experience represented here by so many. Why he is here in the first place beats the hell out of me. He already knows everything there is to know. A legend in his own mind. Quick, someone sell him a Hong Kong Rolex!

 

[Michael Lovett]

Hi Average guy,

M-Tech, AKA Double 8, AKA Seven & Seven, etc. etc.

They have been around for many years. Henry Lee (owner) has been copying designs for more than 25 years. He keeps changing company names for a reason.

It is the design that carries the product, any product. They are design thieves. Designers spend a great deal of time and effort to create a design. The thief spends no time or effort in their theft.

It is an question of ethics and supporting companies that lack in that area.

Design thieves hurt the industry, in my opinion.

sal

Your are so right Sir! Crooks, hurt everone. Period!

 

[Haze]

"OUTRAGED BECAUSE OUR WORK IS BEING STOLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

I would be outraged too if someone was confusing a $15.00 knockoff with my custom work. Back to the drawing board - huh.

Yes, I'm being argumentative but the poster asked if others had found their Mtech knife to be useful - for me the answer is; yes.

I find it hard to believe the same person with an appreciation and the resources for fine knives is looking to purchase an Mtech as a substitute for one of yours.

Unless it is an exact copy of a trademark design, I'm not sure you would find redress in an American court even if the manufacturer were based in the US.

Given the realities of the world, perhaps you could approach them about a licensing arrangement where you could make sure the knife was made the right way and get some of that money.

The earliest knives I recall purchasing as an adult were Japanese folders in the $20-30 range back in 1995 - I remember a line of Benchmade lockbacks with plastic handles and some Rigid brand folders - the two mtechs I've purchased beat these hands down - and given an adjusted dollar cost about 1/4 the price.

Good value - hell yes.

Again, you really need to use the quote function rather than c&p the text.

So, do YOU actually have any m-tech knives ???

You are very quick do defend one of the worst in the industry but you provide little if no evedence of why you feel this way. Lets see the pics of your well used or any used m-tech so we can see where your coming from. I feel you will just provide more excuses over something of actual substance though.

You did the very same in other threads not long ago.

Designers spend a great deal of time and effort to create a design. The thief spends no time or effort in their theft.

These words by Sal Glesser pretty much cover it all. The inferior materials and processes used are just the cherry on the cake for this scum bag company.

What part of it do you have problems understanding ?

 

[mitchshrader]

bought one Fixed Blade MTech knife off ebay couple years ago.. in ignorance, and I didn't do it again.

First, I'm a skinflint, and if it's good and cheap both I'm just tickled to heck. The Byrd knives directly address what I think pocketknives ought to do; cut things effectively and cheaply.

If MTech offered quality at a low-rent price, their business ethics might take a back seat to logistics, under some circumstances.

They don't. I'm not shocked to find they steal designs, nor do I think that stealing designs is going to hurt the other knifemakers much. Irritate 'em, yeah, but it's not like that's really competition.

The MTech knife I got was schlock, suitable for a prize in a carnival. I can remember paki junk that was worse, but those are the only ones that come to mind lower on the scale than MTech.

it's not about prejudice, just a clear understanding of what you get for your money. FWIW, Marbles has china made knives that don't suck, I've got a 4 blade congress that is 95%+ of vintage quality, and useable out of the box.. under 20$.. I can name a handful of others that that hit the same standard.. useable, thrifty, and trustworthy.. but none of them are MTech. Jeeze, an Opinel is cheap, and works WELL..

 

[Brian Jones]

averageguy,

It's guys like you who support thievery that creates the need for people to lock their bicycles up and get alarm systems for their houses at night in Asheville.

 

[averageguy]

"It appears you haven't been an adult quite long enough to learn a few important things in life. You've been proven wrong. You can't win here."

Proven wrong how - that Mtech aren't good value? Of course they are. I'm 46 and collecting since '95. You've been a member here for a couple of months - who are you exactly.



"It's guys like you who support thievery that creates the need for people to lock their bicycles up and get alarm systems for their houses at night in Asheville. "

What kind of retarded remark is that - how does that make any sense? How do you draw an association like that? You're the kind of guy that I wouldn't want to bend over in front of less you take some pleasure from it.

The question wasn't the ethics of Mtech - there are a million companies with questionable ethics.

Jesus, I could go on for days about business concerns with ethical problems - these are a fact of life in every corner of the world. I guarantee you have availed yourself of products from these companies. Stop being so ignorant and precious.

 

[tntbegg]

I deal with mentally challenged people every day, I have specific training to communicate effectively with them. Thank you for affording me the opportunity to excercise my skills.

"OUTRAGED BECAUSE OUR WORK IS BEING STOLEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

I would be outraged too if someone was confusing a $15.00 knockoff with my custom work. Nobody is confusing them or suggesting that, except you, of course. Back to the drawing board - huh. Your jibe is indicative of your ignorance, whether its intentional or organic in nature, I don't know. I suspect the latter.

Yes, I'm being argumentative but the poster asked if others had found their Mtech knife to be useful - for me the answer is; yes. I can find use for a pile of turds. What does that have to do with stealing that pile from someone else's out house?

I find it hard to believe the same person with an appreciation and the resources for fine knives is looking to purchase an Mtech as a substitute for one of yours. You are correct, finally. No one has suggested this, again, except you of course.

Unless it is an exact copy of a trademark design, I'm not sure you would find redress in an American court even if the manufacturer were based in the US.
This is precisely why they are scumbags. They count on it, and steal with impunity. Although, Gil Hibbens has decided to hold them accountable, and is suing. Perhaps, you DO understand after all.

Given the realities of the world, perhaps you could approach them about a licensing arrangement where you could make sure the knife was made the right way and get some of that money. Given the companies thieving history, illustrious reputation for less than stellar quality and complete lack of ethics, we don't need tainted money that badly. Its called integrity.

The earliest knives I recall purchasing as an adult were Japanese folders in the $20-30 range back in 1995 - I remember a line of Benchmade lockbacks with plastic handles and some Rigid brand folders - the two mtechs I've purchased beat these hands down - and given an adjusted dollar cost about 1/4 the price. I am thrilled you have found a product that is commiserate with your values.

Good value - hell yes.

I know I have unwittingly bought from corporations,companies with less than impeccable business practices. Once I became aware and educated of their practices, I stopped buying from them. MTech, Master Cutlery, Hollywood Group, call it by whatever name you please, they represent unethical people who steal, and they make worthless junk. But apparently all of that is acceptable to you. That is your privilege. You have a right to be stupid.

Suggesting someone's length of time or post count as a forum member somehow elevates them to superior intelligence, comprehension, knowledge of a subject matter is on par with the rest of your beliefs, no surprises there.

Tanya

 

[gajinoz]

Hi Average guy,

M-Tech, AKA Double 8, AKA Seven & Seven, etc. etc.

They have been around for many years. Henry Lee (owner) has been copying designs for more than 25 years. He keeps changing company names for a reason.

It is the design that carries the product, any product. They are design thieves. Designers spend a great deal of time and effort to create a design. The thief spends no time or effort in their theft.

It is an question of ethics and supporting companies that lack in that area.

Design thieves hurt the industry, in my opinion.

sal

You are absolutely right of course, unfortunately not only are there unethical scumbags out there ripping people off there are also plenty of people who are ignorant but, worse still, are unethical themselves and have no problem dealing with scumbags. Things like honour and integrity just seem to elude some people.