m390 sebenza?

asdf12345 said:
Nowhere did I say "I meant it in a different way". I meant what I said. Polished edges on a Sebenza have nothing to do with what I was talking about in that particular line of thought.

On a side note, I'm interested to know what circumstances led you to only having an expensive framelock folder to dig a hole in the ground, especially if you were on the job at the time. Was it a time critical situation in which there was no way you could have gotten a proper tool, but you had enough time to dig an entire hole with just a knife blade? How deep was this hole? I've dug a hole with a knife too, and I ditched the knife and got a plastic cup - it was a better digger than the knife. I'll admit, it does make for a dramatic story that shows me, the reader, how committed you are to 'hard using' your knives.
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You're focusing too much on the fact that my sebenza is expensive...
If I told you I dug a hole with my Izula would it make you feel better?

Again, you're trying to decide what I should do with my knives. It's getting annoying, and I'd kindly tell you to f**k off, but this is a discussion so I'll remain civil (I guess)...

I work construction, as mentioned.... We needed to remove some silt fence from an easement in order to locate some underground utility lines. I wasn't expecting this to happen, and we were about 20 miles from the nearest hardware store. I used my hammer to loosen the stakes and my sebenza to help dig them out and cut the fence...

Happy now? Want a pic too? Want me to tell you my life story also?

Again, you know nothing about me or what I do. It's funny how you think you know me and what my job entitles. Someone like you wouldn't last an hour in construction...

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Blues Bender said:
You're focusing too much on the fact that my sebenza is expensive...
If I told you I dug a hole with my Izula would it make you feel better?

Again, you're trying to decide what I should do with my knives. It's getting annoying, and I'd kindly tell you to f**k off, but this is a discussion so I'll remain civil (I guess)...

I work construction, as mentioned.... We needed to remove some silt fence from an easement in order to locate some underground utility lines. I wasn't expecting this to happen, and we were about 20 miles from the nearest hardware store. I used my hammer to loosen the stakes and my sebenza to help dig them out and cut the fence...

Happy now? Want a pic too? Want me to tell you my life story also?

Again, you know nothing about me or what I do. It's funny how you think you know me and what my job entitles. Someone like you wouldn't last an hour in construction...

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Civil discussion? So far you have asked me to f**k off, called me an idiot, and asked me to "grow up" out of the blue. Especially hilarious was that you suggested that "someone like you wouldn't last an hour in construction" while in the same breath saying "It's funny how you think you know me and what my job entitles."

The whole point is that we're talking about "average users". Yes, your average user is not going to take a $410 knife to a construction site. Your average knife user doesn't own a $410 knife. Maybe you do both of those things, but that is not in support of the argument about average user field sharpening.

I was never trying to decide what you do with your knives in the first place and I don't see why you interpret me as doing so; frankly, no one is out to attack you or your knives in particular. I'm trying to make a point about how silly it is to say that the reason the steel on these knives is heat treated the way they are is so that your "average user" can "sharpen them in the field".

It has nothing to do with framelocks or the Sebenza's lock, but for some reason you talked about digging a hole with your Sebenza. Don't get me wrong, it's a great story. Glad you took the time for that glamor shot of your Sebenza after you used it to help dig out the fence stakes.
 
asdf12345 said:
Civil discussion? So far you have asked me to f**k off, called me an idiot, and asked me to "grow up" out of the blue. Especially hilarious was that you suggested that "someone like you wouldn't last an hour in construction" while in the same breath saying "It's funny how you think you know me and what my job entitles."

The whole point is that we're talking about "average users". Yes, your average user is not going to take a $410 knife to a construction site. Your average knife user doesn't own a $410 knife. Maybe you do both of those things, but that is not in support of the argument about average user field sharpening.

I was never trying to decide what you do with your knives in the first place and I don't see why you interpret me as doing so; frankly, no one is out to attack you or your knives in particular. I'm trying to make a point about how silly it is to say that the reason the steel on these knives is heat treated the way they are is so that your "average user" can "sharpen them in the field".

It has nothing to do with framelocks or the Sebenza's lock, but for some reason you talked about digging a hole with your Sebenza. Don't get me wrong, it's a great story. Glad you took the time for that glamor shot of your Sebenza after you used it to help dig out the fence stakes.
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Yep, I sure did call you an idiot, tell you to f**k off, and grow up...
I still will, just to confirm...

You keep coming around trying to "know what's best" for others, and seem so intrigued that someone actually uses their sebenza that you keep making smart ass comments about how I'm using it...

I'm done here. Some people (like you) fail to see their own ignorance, and continue to strive for being correct.
Have a fun time here on BF, maybe someday you'll learn something from this site...
 
Really it's personal choice/opinion/situation. CRK has made it pretty clear he wants his knives to be workers and focuses on durability and ease of sharpening over edge holding. There's a whole host of high dollar folding knives using steels that don't focus on edge holding. Each person needs to decide what steel works best for them and their use and purchase accordingly. I do think that S35vn is a great all around steel, but I believe it's biggest advantage in folding knives is not for users, but for makers. If I was rolling/chipping edges, first I'd probably try a different edge profile, then I'd go to a more durable steel.

I personally don't buy the easy of sharpening hypothesis though. I can touch up M390, 204P, etc. in just a few extra swipes on a sharpmaker unless the edge is badly damaged in which case no steel is going to be easy to bring back. I'll take better edge holding in exchange for those few swipes everyday and twice on Sunday. The less I have to stop in the middle of my field day to sharpen my folding knife the better. I'll gladly get through the work day without sharpening and trade off a little extra touch up time that evening before the next day. I also don't see many posts about how M390, 20cp, 204p etc. are chipping, rolling edges, etc. under normal folding knife use. Those steels seem to hold up fine for the vast majority of users.

For my folding knife use in the field using S35vn on a $400+ knife is like putting all season tires on a corvette. For my field knife that I want to trade off edge holding for high durability I use the right tool for the job, a fixed blade, not everyone has that option.
 
Honest question here. Was Chris vilified on the internet for his HT of S30V and what was it ran at? It was long after they all went to S35VN before I got into them.
 
crk's s30v was treated to GASP 55-57hrc.

Asdf123456789 dont worry, one day youll join the elite ranks of Sebenza USERS. One day bud.

P.s. i love my Sebenza, and it loves to do work. I dont get this internet banter that claims a sebenza cant hold an edge long enough to cut a piece of paper. I cut drywall with mine and somehow its still in one piece.
ALL KNIVES NEED TO BE SHARPENED, super steels, regular carbon steel, average steels, they all HAVE TO BE SHARPENED. Hand me a Sebenza and a ZT with M390 in the morning, and ill hand them BOTH back to you dull as a butter knife by 5pm. :)
So wheres the "super hard super steel" advantage?? My blades contact other metals and impact concrete and masonary routinely. I dont care WHAT blade steel your knife is, by the end of my day it would need to be sharpened. So S35VN works just fine for me, and takes all of literally 15 seconds for me to sharpen.
Also post some statistics on what the average knife user buys and uses their knives for, id LOVE to see your facts.
 
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