M4 Military......sadly disappointed. :(

13ninjas said:
I know I was dreming on the clip thing. And functionality is way more important than looks, but when a knife looks nice it is a plus.

Ok....ok......I've had several people say to tighten the pivot.......I guess I could try it when I get home......did anyone else have to tighten theirs?

Will that void the Spyderco warranty? I know they frown upon taking them apart, so just asking.
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Better ask Spyderco.
 
shunsui said:
A pretty and smooth large Sebenza will cost you $385 these days.

just saying...
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I have both, regular and large sebbie..Money is not an issue when it comes to my hobby. So, what's your point? I don't care if it's from CR or Spyderco. The knife I received is not up to my standard and past experience from this great company. Just "saying".
 
Hey, 13.

I'm seeing a lot of negativity towards your comments here. And I think some folks over-reacted to your post and at the same time, there was a bit of over-reaction on your part as well.

I don't know how lucky you've been with your purchases, but the more knives I buy, the more "imperfections" I see. It's just the law of averages catching up with me. Pivots are adjustable by design. What is perfect for one person is not for someone else.

As for the not so sharp edge, that's unusual for Spyderco. And mine also is on the low end of the sharpness as they come from Spyderco but that's still better than edges from other brands I've seen.

This was a variant of the existing Military. I think we all knew that going in. The scales and the steel were the two unique things. The addition of the steel insert was something that came out of the full Ti Military release and I'm glad they did it. As for how it looks, it's on the inside and probably purposely designed to be replaceable.

In the end the level of expectation that you had and the knife that you received is something only you and Spyderco can resolve. If the result is not to your satisfaction, then sell it (that won't be a problem and you'll most likely come out on top) and look to a new knife.

What the forum thinks and how we react to your post is purely our opinion and under/over-reaction. :) It has no real bearing on how you should feel. It's the internetz!
 
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If everybody wanted the same thing in a knife, there would never have been a Spyderco, CRK, Strider, etc to begin with.

If you're not satisfied try to remedy it with the seller, or manufacturer. If you can't do that, sell it and buy something that pleases you.

It would surprise me if everybody was satisfied with every knife model from every batch. A nice thing to strive for on the manufacturers part, but wholly impossible due to the difference in peoples needs and desires and personalities.

Good luck. Worse comes to worse you will get your money back or make a profit selling it.
 
13ninjas said:
Really!? A wobbly blade striaght out of the box is nitpicking and being overly sensitive?

Sorry.........I think that couldn't be any farther from the truth. Maybe the other things I mentioned are a bit nitpicky....but not the blade wobble!

This knife is not the quality I expect to come out of Golden, Colorado's factory.
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I'm not in the mood to get into a huge debate with you over this. If you're unhappy with the blade, then either Roger or Spyderco willl definitely take care of it one way or the other, but to be fair, you never said the blade was "wobbly", which is a much stronger description than what your original post said If I recall. "very slight movement, you can't really see it" does NOT sound like wobbly to me. Don't blow your original assessment out of proportion because you didn't like my response.

Sorry you aren't satisfied with your knife. I will admit it's a bummer to be disappointed after a long wait.
 
Have any of these horrible :barf: Millie M4 'seconds' started turning up at discount prices yet? If so I'll take one of your hands lads! :D
 
Folks need to remember that this was a production knife, even if it was a sprint-like LE. Frankly, w/r/t the comment about Golden, I think the Golden standard is not today as high as some of the other Spyderco suppliers. :(
 
i can understand why some people are defending spydero over the small issues and

but so far i have seen in various posts

1)a lot of grind issues
2)grind burns on the blade
3)scratches on blade
4) gritty opening.. in some cases even spyderco can't fix it
5) blade play

me personally i have grind issues and gritty opening. i oiled the knife and it's smooth now.. the really crappy grind is the only thing that bothers me as my knife really isn;t sharp and to me it seems they over grinded teh bot a little.


yes this isn't a custom knifebut for 220$ and 10 months wait you shouldn;t need to get anything fixed. so i can understand some peoples fustrations.

once get my knife properly sharpened i will be happy with it. it is a very nice knife and feels great in the hand.
 
Mine came very nice, I can flick it with my thumb sticking it in the opening hole (no wrist needed). No blade play, no scratch, hair shaving sharp, and I just punch it through a 3/8 inch thick kevlar, and no scratch still. Guess I was lucky!
 
Perhaps the issue isn't what to expect from a "production knife, albeit a $220 "production knife, but rather, when you compare it to a $145 Sage 2 or a $135 Gayle Bradley in the fit and finish category. Although I have a nice Ti M4 Mille that is 99% satisfactory to me with the 1% downside being a MINOR grind burn and a hard to find scratch on the blade (more like a linear mar line), all cosmetic, I know other less costly and yes, foreign manufactured Spydercos kick this knife's ass in overall perfection of F&F. But then they kick most production knive's ass in this category. Again, we're talking insignificant elements when it comes to performance. As much as I think mine is a FANTASTIC specimen, I can say with purity in my heart that it doesnt match the level of fit and finish of my two GB's, my two Sage 2's and at one point, my two PPT's which I'm down to one now. Two of each that were absolute perfection beyond your typical "production" standard.

So nit picking or not, we know "better" is capable in less costly Spyderco's that weren't assembled in the U.S. A paradigm shift perhaps.
 
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Must be the election commercials in the air.......

please no more personal attacks ~; - )
 
Man, I just got home from Denver, and found my new M4 Mil waiting. I am completely impressed by this knife. I have none of the issues others seem to be having. Butter smooth, solid lockup, slightly offset blade though.

Fit and finish is pretty damn good imho.
 
Got mine yesterday. Blade is centered, and the rest of the issues listed above are non-existent here. NO blade play, and fairly smooth opening.

As a matter of fact, my brother (who EDCs a Sebenza) held it and opened it and the first things he said were "Geez, this thing is ugly!" followed by "Nice and smooth though.".

It is pretty dull...but I know how to sharpen knives...so I dont really care about that. If I choose to keep this knife, I'll sharpen it.

My only qualms with the knife are things that I dont like about the Military platform itself (which I had not held before this knife), but those are strictly a matter of personal preference.
 
I kind of danced around this point in an earlier post but I guess I'll say it a little more plainly and probably get run out of the house. From time to time there are threads bashing Spyderco's use of off-shore production facilities. As much as I abhor what's happened to domestic industrial production, the fact is that the knives that come out of Golden seem to be a slight step down in F&F and somewhat more variable than knives like the Sage series and the Gayle Bradley.

I do think that saying there are "lots" of grind problems, as one of thte posts did, is just wrong, on the numbers. There are 200 of these knives out there now and I don't think I've seen more than two or three complaints about the grind, which is a pretty good rate.

This is a small-run production knife. The concept and design is exceptional and the quality of F&F is very, very high, notwithstanding a few knives that got out the door with issues. That's inherent in production goods, whether it's cameras or knives or microwave ovens. I still give a hearty thank-you to Sal, Roger and everyone else who brought this project to reality. :thumbup: More than I meant to type...

Reeek said:
Perhaps the issue isn't what to expect from a "production knife, albeit a $220 "production knife, but rather, when you compare it to a $145 Sage 2 or a $135 Gayle Bradley in the fit and finish category. Although I have a nice Ti M4 Mille that is 99% satisfactory to me with the 1% downside being a MINOR grind burn and a hard to find scratch on the blade (more like a linear mar line), all cosmetic, I know other less costly and yes, foreign manufactured Spydercos kick this knife's ass in overall perfection of F&F. But then they kick most production knive's ass in this category. Again, we're talking insignificant elements when it comes to performance. As much as I think mine is a FANTASTIC specimen, I can say with purity in my heart that it doesnt match the level of fit and finish of my two GB's, my two Sage 2's and at one point, my two PPT's which I'm down to one now. Two or each that were absolute perfection beyond your typical "production" standard.

So nit picking or not, we know "better" is capable in less costly Spyderco's that weren't assembled in the U.S. A paradigm shift perhaps.
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These threads really make me laugh.

Choices:
A. Sell at profit,
B. Complain about it,

Please choose only one....
 
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I received an M4 Military yesterday, and it is perfect.
Perfectly smooth opening.
Perfect 45% lockup.
Perfectly centered blade.
Perfect grind.
And very sharp.
I couldn't find a better one if I picked it out by hand.
And Yes, I do realize how lucky I am.
 
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