Made In China...

ahh, the great debate on chineese goods or is that bad?
the thing to remember is that
license foreign-made off-shore oem products
have a client's qc system to live up to.
given that such a standard exist,
all imported products should therefore logically
be able to meet
the required global customer's expectation
no matter where it's country of origin.
having said that,
a great majority of mainland knives
that are exported throughout the world,
are either cloned/unlicensed
and/or
very cheaply made domestic mainland chinese brands
that were made by very hard working minions
in huge numbers to maximize profit of their masters.
and that means
these manufacturers
are cutting corners
with the cheapest possible material and labor cost.
it is my hope therefore
for anyone who just happens to buy
these cheap knives today
that it be made from better quality scrap or recycled materials...
and if it glows
it probably comes from a melted down nuclear facility :-)
 
Sidehill Gouger said:
Look at anything A.G. Russell puts his name on. It far out classes anything coming out of a certain Pennsylvania knife company that is held up as the ultimate traditional American made knife.
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And then some.

someone else said it really well earlier in this thread. It's not about WHERE is made. It's about WHO makes it (or had it made)

AG Russell is one of the best examples for this but there are many others. The Chinese Spyderco knives are good too as are many others done by reputable companies.
 
Just got my Enlan El04 in the mail today. My first impression is that it's a decent knife for the money. It has a little side to side blade play, but that can be fixed by tighting the pivot( 3 hole pivot screw). The axis type lock is smooth and when unlocked the blade swings freely. The micarta scales are fairly grippy and the 8Cr13MOV bade was hair shaving sharp right out of the box. All in all, a great buy for about $22 shipped.
 
Here's my latest Chinese knife, Boker/GTC Federal Flipper:
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I'm quite taken with it. A truly unique design, Ti, IKBS, carbon fiber. Fit and finish is on par with most production knives I've had. This is my most expensive Chinese knife to date and I am not disappointed in the least.
 
Really cool knife, Bigfatts. :thumbup: I watched the vid at BladeHQ, and I'm wondering how well that unusual (and small) pocket clip works. Any issues with that?
 
Wanting to buy US made products for me has nothing to do with any other country putting out a bad product. For me it is rewarding those US companies for keeping manufacturing jobs in the States.
Specifically concerning China. For me the bad wrap that they get and probably deserve is the countless number of knockoffs that they make, and then try to sell as the real thing.
All that being said. A cheap chineese knockoff that I thought was a great knife for the money was a Ganzo G704.
 
Freman, I read this before somwhere. Thanks for the info, but this one has the pivot with 3 holes in it. Looks kinda like a Microtech screw to me. I'm now looking at getting the Ganzo g711. Has anyone had any experience with this knife? I have always liked the look of the mini onslaught but didn't want to spend $140+ on it. If the ganzo is descent then I may think about getting the Benchmade later.
 
Country of Origin arguments are a joke. Great products, and pure crap, come from all over the world. To those who only buy made in America, most of your companies you buy from have knives manufactured oversees as well. Or parts. ANd look at who works in many of the factories here, like most companies. Foreign workers AND American workers. Made here might be by foreign made machines as well. So, is your Made in America really?
 
Tlov72 said:
Freman, I read this before somwhere. Thanks for the info, but this one has the pivot with 3 holes in it. Looks kinda like a Microtech screw to me. I'm now looking at getting the Ganzo g711. Has anyone had any experience with this knife? I have always liked the look of the mini onslaught but didn't want to spend $140+ on it. If the ganzo is descent then I may think about getting the Benchmade later.
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I bought a Ganzo 711. It's OK. Very heavy, like most Chinese-made knives. It doesn't have the feel of the Mini Onslaught (I have both the full-size and the mini), but if you want to check out the peculiar blade shape for utility, it's a cheap alternative. Like the real thing, the blade is broad but thin for its size. For any kind of hard use, I'd opt for the better steel of the real deal.

Oh, and these Ganzos can be real "gateway" knives. I was never thrilled with Benchmades for some reason. Then I got a Ganzo 710 -- the fake Rift. Then I wanted a real Rift. Then I wanted more and more Benchmades, till I now have well over 50 of them -- including 2 Rifts. So beware.
 
The whole argument about China or USA made products doesn't really bother me. I like knives, period. I have some Benchmades, Spydercos, Kershaws, Case etc... and I really love these knives. On the other hand I can really appreciate good craftmanship on lower end knives. I just had my hours cut at work and can't really afford more expensive knives right now, so I'm going to try some of the Sanrenmu, Ganzo, And Enlan knives. If this makes me any less American than the next guy in some peoples eyes, then so be it. I learned a long time ago to not worry what other people think.
 
Sidehill Gouger said:
Look at anything A.G. Russell puts his name on. It far out classes anything coming out of a certain Pennsylvania knife company that is held up as the ultimate traditional American made knife.
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People around here especially probably don't hold Case up to that standard anymore. If you want quality buy from GEC or Queen.
 
jimh0220 said:
Country of Origin arguments are a joke. Great products, and pure crap, come from all over the world. To those who only buy made in America, most of your companies you buy from have knives manufactured oversees as well. Or parts. ANd look at who works in many of the factories here, like most companies. Foreign workers AND American workers. Made here might be by foreign made machines as well. So, is your Made in America really?
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I don't think we are giving out H1B visa's for manufacturing jobs. So if they are foreign assembly workers in the US they are most likely here illegally and that is a whole other subject that I don't want to get into.
As far as the machines used to make the product, that is like telling a cabinet maker in Ohio his cabinets aren't US made because his hammer was made in China.
 
"I don't think we are giving out H1B visa's for manufacturing jobs. So if they are foreign assembly workers in the US they are most likely here illegally and that is a whole other subject that I don't want to get into."

Based on my experience in the US manufacturing sector, what's left of it, for the past 30 years, I would completely diagree with the above statement.
Some are here illegally; less now that in years past, but the majority of US factory production workers are most definitely not US born.. Whether one view this as positive, negative, or couldn't care less, I do not think it is going to change in my lifetime.
 
evilgreg said:
I don't know, I paid ~$10 or less for these and have ended up carrying and using them a bunch:

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That $10 tanto outperformed my terrible CQC-7B at a tiny fraction of the price (though that's a low bar to cross, given that any knife that locks properly would meet that standard).

And don't get me started on all the $12 -$20 Kershaw knifes I think are awesome for the money. I paid $12 for my Kershaw Tremor, and that's an insane deal on a great knife. Ditto the Chill, the Crown, etc.

IMO, while we're on this topic, the Chill is an unbelievable deal. What a great little non-assisted flipper design . . .
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The Chill is a fantastic knife. Love it. I can't believe I carry a $17 knife, when I once carried Sebenzas.
 
Arkie_in_Texas said:
"I don't think we are giving out H1B visa's for manufacturing jobs. So if they are foreign assembly workers in the US they are most likely here illegally and that is a whole other subject that I don't want to get into."

Based on my experience in the US manufacturing sector, what's left of it, for the past 30 years, I would completely diagree with the above statement.
Some are here illegally; less now that in years past, but the majority of US factory production workers are most definitely not US born.. Whether one view this as positive, negative, or couldn't care less, I do not think it is going to change in my lifetime.
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I don't know, the manufacturing plant I work in has 6,000 employees and I can only think of a handful that I personally know that were not born in the US. Just to clarify, I could care less if they were born in the US or not.
 
G. Scott H. said:
Really cool knife, Bigfatts. :thumbup: I watched the vid at BladeHQ, and I'm wondering how well that unusual (and small) pocket clip works. Any issues with that?
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It takes some getting used to but it is very secure. There's actually a lot of tension on it. It may be a tight fit for some of the jeans with fat pocket lips but I haven't had any problems so far.
 
Tlov72 said:
Freman, I read this before somwhere. Thanks for the info, but this one has the pivot with 3 holes in it. Looks kinda like a Microtech screw to me. I'm now looking at getting the Ganzo g711. Has anyone had any experience with this knife? I have always liked the look of the mini onslaught but didn't want to spend $140+ on it. If the ganzo is descent then I may think about getting the Benchmade later.
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In that case circlip pliers might work. Alternatively nails of the right size (with the heads cut off) pressed into a cork. At least I've heard that works, I haven't tried it myself. My Enlans either use conventional torx or the triangular screw.
 
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