Magnacut from Bestech?

[Leo Greer]

So folks feel private companies should open their books to the public and to their completion? Is that an "everyone" rule or just knife companies?

The country of origin (presented accurately) and the brand overall is more than enough for people to make their buying choices.

They don’t have to present anything if they don’t want to. Companies choose to in order to present the quality and pedigree of their product. For example, companies do not have to state that Reate OEMs their products, but the knife community associates Reate with quality, and so companies proudly state it.

They cannot make false claims about their products, but they don’t have to present the info.

 

[DMG]

So folks feel private companies should open their books to the public and to their completion? Is that an "everyone" rule or just knife companies?

The country of origin (presented accurately) and the brand overall is more than enough for people to make their buying choices.

There are laws in the books that require companies to disclose country of manufacture.

Made in USA

www.ftc.gov

 

[Arathol]

There are laws in the books that require companies to disclose country of manufacture.

Made in USA

www.ftc.gov

Country of origin is one thing, which manufacturer is making what is totally different. There is no law that says anyone needs to disclose the name of who actually makes their products.
These are the actual rules if you want to read them-

Marking of Country of Origin on U.S. Imports

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Contracts work in two directions here. The retailer might not want to disclose the actual manufacturer, but the manufacturer might not want the retailer to disclose that they made the product in question also. In that case even if you ask they can't tell you.

 

[knarfeng]

Some knife makers outsource at least part of their CNC machining to US machining houses, This is common practice in the manufacturing world. They don't outsource the entire knife, but they do outsource some of it, It is a more efficient (read: lest costly) method of making a product. CNC machines are EXPENSIVE. You need to keep them busy. If your production rates rise and ebb, it's cheaper to outsource the overflow, than it is to buy a new CNC machine, which will sit idle during the low production rate periods.

 

[Danke42]

There are laws in the books that require companies to disclose country of manufacture.

Made in USA

www.ftc.gov

Generally speaking, the country of origin is the country of manufacture, production, or growth where an article or product comes from. Country of origin is not to be confused with where the product was shipped from as this may not be the same as where it was originally produced.

 

[Chronovore]

Country of origin is one thing, which manufacturer is making what is totally different. There is no law that says anyone needs to disclose the name of who actually makes their products.
These are the actual rules if you want to read them-

Marking of Country of Origin on U.S. Imports

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

Contracts work in two directions here. The retailer might not want to disclose the actual manufacturer, but the manufacturer might not want the retailer to disclose that they made the product in question also. In that case even if you ask they can't tell you.

I think the issue is more that US or other companies should be open about who is making their overseas stuff or at least that we'd like them to be.

I understand that brands like Kershaw were outsourcing before the modern Renaissance in the Chinese knife industry, so maybe some of that is just the old way of doing things. (If indications are correct that they use Yangjiang Flyer Industrial, it's also true that said manufacturer is poorly known and doesn't have a name that'll help sell product.) It's also true that some Chinese manufacturers have a bad reputation. For instance, Spyderco using Sanrenmu can be a sticking point for some people. That's because Sanrenmu also manufacturers a couple of infamous "clones" that, despite some differences, look an awful lot like budget versions of a Sebenza or a Gareth Bull Shamwari.

So not saying could be a way to dodge heat. Personally, I look at it the other way. If a US company won't tell you who does their OEM, how do you know it wasn't Ganzo?

 

[knarfeng]

I think the issue is more that US or other companies should be open about who is making their overseas stuff or at least that we'd like them to be.

I understand that brands like Kershaw were outsourcing before the modern Renaissance in the Chinese knife industry, so maybe some of that is just the old way of doing things. (If indications are correct that they use Yangjiang Flyer Industrial, it's also true that said manufacturer is poorly known and doesn't have a name that'll help sell product.) It's also true that some Chinese manufacturers have a bad reputation. For instance, Spyderco using Sanrenmu can be a sticking point for some people. That's because Sanrenmu also manufacturers a couple of infamous "clones" that, despite some differences, look an awful lot like budget versions of a Sebenza or a Gareth Bull Shamwari.

So not saying could be a way to dodge heat. Personally, I look at it the other way. If a US company won't tell you who does their OEM, how do you know it wasn't Ganzo?

I disagree. I eschew knives made in China for my own reasons. But, at the end of the day, what matters is not who made it, but how well it was made. Quality control is up to the outfit whose brand is on the knife. That holds true whether the outfit outsourced to a US subcontractor for machining services, or to a knife manufacturer for the entire knife,

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So I'm not going to pry trade secrets out of a knife manufacturer.

 

[Danke42]

When you've created something of worth you recognize the value of your trade secrets.

 

[greater]

Ohhhhhhh some of these (actually maybe a lot) trade secretes have more to do with embarrassment (like slave/slave-like labor bogus claims) rather than actual value.

 

[BTTLBRN]

Didn’t want to post a link as they are not a supporting dealer, but Reate is now offering a knife in MagnaCut; the Finback.

 

[Fixall]

I have a Keanison Knives Basset Hound in MagnaCut that was produced by Bestech. I had no idea there was effectively an Embargo on MagnaCut going to China. This thread bummed me out.

 

[raidzx]

The small but loud contingent of sinophobes in the knife community have emerged! Was only a matter of time until the Asian companies were able to get their hands on MC. Blame shouldn't go to them but to NSM for not vetting their distributors if it was so important to keep out of China. It's kind of a done deal now and silly to go after vendors who sell the knives imo (a lot of my favorites are one man shows or mom and pop type outfits, we going after small businesses now?). Sucks that a competing country to the US can make as good of quality as us for cheaper but we only have ourselves to blame with our voting habits over the decades. Cats out of the bag now.

 

[DMG]

The small but loud contingent of sinophobes in the knife community have emerged! Was only a matter of time until the Asian companies were able to get their hands on MC. Blame shouldn't go to them but to NSM for not vetting their distributors if it was so important to keep out of China. It's kind of a done deal now and silly to go after vendors who sell the knives imo (a lot of my favorites are one man shows or mom and pop type outfits, we going after small businesses now?). Sucks that a competing country to the US can make as good of quality as us for cheaper but we only have ourselves to blame with our voting habits over the decades. Cats out of the bag now.

Sinophobes? Lol. Maybe we just don't approve of slave labor, genocide, industrial espionage, making new viruses, dumping products and a variety of other problems.

 

[raidzx]

Sinophobes? Lol. Maybe we just don't approve of slave labor, genocide, industrial espionage, making new viruses, dumping products and a variety of other problems.

You speak like we don't horrible things as Americans. I find the way China treats its people as abhorrent and equally find our many failed overseas escapades to export democracy pretty bad too. Btw we funded the creation of those viruses. Anywho I imagine this will take the thread way off topic so I will stop.

 

[Blues]

snip... Anywho I imagine this will take the thread way off topic so I will stop.

It's a bit too late for that at this juncture.