Magnacut from Bestech?

[Mecha]

This reminds me of the Hitachi Blue #2 intrigue from some years back.

This probably isn't totally accurate, but from what I remember and understand, at that time Hitachi didn't allow the paper steels (Hitachi blue and white) to be exported to the USA.

The New Jersey Steel Baron had somehow finessed the acquisition of a pallet of Blue #2 through secondary channels, and began selling it to knife makers. Hitachi was mad about it, and took actions to suppress the "leak" of its cutlery steels to the U.S. for a while.

A sword customer of mine bought two pieces of that steel and sent them to me as a tip! I still have some of it, and gave some of it to a few knifemakers here! Lorien has some!

Someday I'll make a steel knife out of it! As the core of san mai. Blue #2 is the one with a good dose of tungsten alloyed into it.

 

[knarfeng]

I’ll make the point that if we’re throwing Bestech under the bus we should also be throwing Maxace and Artisan Cutlery/CJRB under the bus, as well as any dealers that carry their knives.

I’m still curious about the legal aspect of American companies using MC in their China-OEMed products, as the product is still American owned and sold, only being processed in China.

For that purpose I would continue to hold Reate in proper regard as they haven’t yet used MC in their own knives and instead only in knives made for American companies (who own the knife and the steel throughout the process, so ownership was never Reate’s).

"MC in their China-OEMed products" Got examples? I'm not aware of any.

 

[calm]

I assume that people could vote on that with their wallet.
If they feel strongly about it then they can just stop supporting any shop in the world that sells any knives made form Magnacut/M-cut made in a non authorised area.

 

[Leo Greer]

"MC in their China-OEMed products" Got examples? I'm not aware of any.

The Manganas Steel Aurelia, which is in preorder phase and will be made by Reate.

Also the Yan Knives Chevron, of which a couple have been seen here on this forum.

The Vero Lux, which has been out for a while.

There may be others that I’m not remembering.

 

[bax229]

Hmm...

 

[Jdottinger]

The Manganas Steel Aurelia, which is in preorder phase and will be made by Reate.

Also the Yan Knives Chevron, of which a couple have been seen here on this forum.

The Vero Lux, which has been out for a while.

There may be others that I’m not remembering.

Reate seems to be avoiding producing any “Reate” branded blades in magnacut. Not sure how the contract/oem stuff works. I’d imagine they have the designers procure the material as a work around. We/Civivi seem to be staying away from mc for a reason.

 

[Maximumbob54]

This topic has reignited a thought I've had over the years when you see something listed as "S35VN" instead of "CPM S35VN" or other steel. I've always wondered if it says CPM, CTS, or whatever brand then it should mean the steel is from them. But if it's not branded... Did someone else make it?

 

[Leo Greer]

Reate seems to be avoiding producing any “Reate” branded blades in magnacut. Not sure how the contract/oem stuff works. I’d imagine they have the designers procure the material as a work around. We/Civivi seem to be staying away from mc for a reason.

I think that’s a wise choice from both companies. Since I’ve started this hobby, WE knives have never been more popular, and Reate is going as strong as ever. Neither brand has needed to sell MagnaCut to keep up, which proves that people don’t completely go out for just a new steel.

I remember in the beginning when the first few production MagnaCut models were introduced people went nuts, but now there’s no shortage of knives people can look to for their MC fix.

And, at this point, MagnaCut has been a thing for almost four years if I remember correctly. How long before it’s no longer “the new hotness”?

 

[Reswob]

And, at this point, MagnaCut has been a thing for almost four years if I remember correctly. How long before it’s no longer “the new hotness”?

Until the next thing comes along, of course. With the way the market is going, the next thing will probably be the PRC companies "invent" the new "best steel ever" by imperceptibly tweaking the recipe for magna cut. People will naturally go nuts for it, and step over each other to buy up $1,000 made-in-PRC folders.

 

[knarfeng]

"MC in their China-OEMed products" Got examples? I'm not aware of any.

The Manganas Steel Aurelia, which is in preorder phase and will be made by Reate.

Also the Yan Knives Chevron, of which a couple have been seen here on this forum.

The Vero Lux, which has been out for a while.

There may be others that I’m not remembering.

I was asking for examples of American companies offering Magnacut in their Chinese manufactured knives. I'm not aware of any American manufacturers who offer that.

 

[Danke42]

This topic has reignited a thought I've had over the years when you see something listed as "S35VN" instead of "CPM S35VN" or other steel. I've always wondered if it says CPM, CTS, or whatever brand then it should mean the steel is from them. But if it's not branded... Did someone else make it?

Probably not. They'll just be shortening the name for marketing simplicity.

Just like no one says "Give me a McDonalds Big Mac".

 

[Ilikesharpstuff]

Hmm...

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"M-Cut" has several results

 

[Leo Greer]

I was asking for examples of American companies offering Magnacut in their Chinese manufactured knives. I'm not aware of any American manufacturers who offer that.

Those are all three American companies. It’s not necessarily logical for the big American MFGs to offer MC in their China lineups, since their China lineups are often their budget lineups.

 

[Larrin]

This topic has reignited a thought I've had over the years when you see something listed as "S35VN" instead of "CPM S35VN" or other steel. I've always wondered if it says CPM, CTS, or whatever brand then it should mean the steel is from them. But if it's not branded... Did someone else make it?

S35VN is trademarked on its own so that would not be permissible. https://trademarks.justia.com/779/17/s35vn-77917559.html

 

[knarfeng]

This topic has reignited a thought I've had over the years when you see something listed as "S35VN" instead of "CPM S35VN" or other steel. I've always wondered if it says CPM, CTS, or whatever brand then it should mean the steel is from them. But if it's not branded... Did someone else make it?

"CPM" means it is made by Crucible.
"CTS" means it is made by Carpenter.

It does not matter if the steel is listed as "CPM S35VN" or "S35VN". That alloy by that name is proprietary to Crucible.

The three alloys below all proprietary melt alloys which have the same composition, but are made by different companies.
154 CM is made by Crucible
ATS-34 is made by Hitachi
14-4 Cr-Mo was made by Latrobe Steel
If your blade steel is listed as "154CM", the blade steel was made by Crucible. If it saya "ATS-34", then the steel was made by Hitachi.

On the other hand, 440C is not proprietary. It's a standard AISI alloy and anyone can make it as long as it has the proper composition.

 

[Quiet]

I was asking for examples of American companies offering Magnacut in their Chinese manufactured knives. I'm not aware of any American manufacturers who offer that.

In that list of examples given, Vero Engineering would be considered an American company, for what it's worth.

 

[knarfeng]

In that list of examples given, Vero Engineering would be considered an American company, for what it's worth.

It's a new one on me. Outside my price range.

 

[DMG]

"CPM" means it is made by Crucible.
"CTS" means it is made by Carpenter.

It does not matter if the steel is listed as "CPM S35VN" or "S35VN". That alloy by that name is proprietary to Crucible.

The three alloys below all proprietary melt alloys which have the same composition, but are made by different companies.
154 CM is made by Crucible
ATS-34 is made by Hitachi
14-4 Cr-Mo was made by Latrobe Steel
If your blade steel is listed as "154CM", the blade steel was made by Crucible. If it saya "ATS-34", then the steel was made by Hitachi.

On the other hand, 440C is not proprietary. It's a standard AISI alloy and anyone can make it as long as it has the proper composition.

I think Latrobe (among others) makes CTS steel now. They are one town over from me.

 

[Larrin]

I think Latrobe (among others) makes CTS steel now. They are one town over from me.

Carpenter owns the Latrobe plant. It doesn’t operate as an independent company.

 

[ferider]

I was asking for examples of American companies offering Magnacut in their Chinese manufactured knives. I'm not aware of any American manufacturers who offer that.

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