Magnacut from Bestech?

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DMG said:
I think Latrobe (among others) makes CTS steel now. They are one town over from me.
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I have a old family friend who worked at latrobe steel when it was carpenter. he used to live in small kinda dead town called derry. hes closer to Pittsburgh now. I've been to derry and latrobe, ligoneer areas. used to eat at these pizza places in latrobe areas called jioios and falbos. unique crust I've ever had anything like it anywhere. Wonder if those are still there.

he's at elg metals now, last I heard.
 
ferider said:
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Thanks. Not sure that counts, as it is made by Bestech. But OK.

Do we have any non-boutique knife companies which offer magnacut and have their knives made in China? Something beyond a one man shop at this end?
 
jbmonkey said:
I have a old family friend who worked at latrobe steel when it was carpenter. he used to live in small kinda dead town called derry. hes closer to Pittsburgh now. I've been to derry and latrobe, ligoneer areas. used to eat at these pizza places in latrobe areas called jioios and falbos. unique crust I've ever had anything like it anywhere. Wonder if those are still there.

he's at elg metals now, last I heard.
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Joioios is still there. I think Falbos is too. Latrobe is a cool little town.
 
Leo Greer said:
The Manganas Steel Aurelia, which is in preorder phase and will be made by Reate.

Also the Yan Knives Chevron, of which a couple have been seen here on this forum.

The Vero Lux, which has been out for a while.

There may be others that I’m not remembering.
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Jdottinger said:
Reate seems to be avoiding producing any “Reate” branded blades in magnacut. Not sure how the contract/oem stuff works. I’d imagine they have the designers procure the material as a work around. We/Civivi seem to be staying away from mc for a reason.
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Reate also makes the MagnaCut knives for Liong Mah.
 
knarfeng said:
Thanks. Not sure that counts, as it is made by Bestech. But OK.

Do we have any non-boutique knife companies which offer magnacut and have their knives made in China? Something beyond a one man shop at this end?
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The thing is, the non-boutique companies, by and large, have no need for an OEM. The largest boon of OEM services such as Reate offers is to allow a one-man outfit to provide hundreds or thousands of knives. To name a few brands that have made big splashes…

Chaves (Reate)

Pena (Reate)

Vero (Bestech and then Reate)

Microtech is a notable exception here with their use of Rike’s services on many of their recent models. However, there are very few “large” companies using such Chinese OEMs.


I should note that Shirogorov has used Magnacut in their folders and are based in Asia. So have other Russian makers like Uldanov knives.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of Kershaw, Columbia knife and tool, or Cold Steel. Larger operations who have knives made in Asia.
 
knarfeng said:
I was thinking more along the lines of Kershaw, Columbia knife and tool, or Cold Steel. Larger operations who have knives made in Asia.
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A quick search shows the Recon series from Cold Steel in Magnacut being made in Italy.
 
WValtakis said:
A quick search shows the Recon series from Cold Steel in Magnacut being made in Italy.
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Yes, I'm aware of that. Italy is not on the restricted list

The original question was "what about US knife companies which have magnacut bladed knives that are made in Asia, where Magnacut is not supposed to be sold," I was not aware of any such makers. I am reasonably familiar with the big outfits, But I don't track all the little guys. Too pricey, and I typically avoid knives made in China. So I was asking for examples.
 
Bestech's response of removing the word "Magnacut" completely from their website seems like an admission of guilt. Originally I was leaning towards the blame falling fully on the supplier who is providing the steel to places it shouldn't be...someone like Shirogorov or Reate places an order for some steel and some salesman says "by the way I finally have a limited supply of Magnacut available if you want to try it"...why wouldn't they? The thing I didn't consider until Bestech wiped their site was a manufacturer pushing a supplier to obtain it for them with both parties knowing they shouldn't be doing so.
 
Leo Greer said:
The thing is, the non-boutique companies, by and large, have no need for an OEM. The largest boon of OEM services such as Reate offers is to allow a one-man outfit to provide hundreds or thousands of knives. To name a few brands that have made big splashes…

Chaves (Reate)

Pena (Reate)

Vero (Bestech and then Reate)

Microtech is a notable exception here with their use of Rike’s services on many of their recent models. However, there are very few “large” companies using such Chinese OEMs.


I should note that Shirogorov has used Magnacut in their folders and are based in Asia. So have other Russian makers like Uldanov knives.
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Russia is partially in Asia, partially in Europe. Shirogorov is based in Moscow and St Petersburg which are both in the European part of Russia
 
If the Asians are offered some of the best steels available by someone who chooses to violate his/her agreement with Crucible they are no fools they are going to buy some and make a nice profit. Whose fault is that?

It would be interesting to note if Bestech does a better job or not on the heat treat.
 
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l1ranger said:
I just did a little searching, and it looks like the Kershaw, CRKT, Spyderco, Cold Steel, and ZT knives I could find in MC are either made in US or Italy
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That was my perception, also.

greater said:
If the Asians are offered some of the best steels available by someone who chooses to violate his/her agreement with Crucible they are no fools they are going to buy some and make a nice profit. Whose fault is that?

It would be interesting to note if Bestech does a better job or not on the heat treat.
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Depends on how the steel was obtained. If knife companies found a distributor willing to sell it to them outright, then that's on the distributor, If the knife companies got a middleman to buy it for them and disguise the true purchaser, that could be a bit different. i'm sure Crucible and Niagara are both examining that.
 
I hate to say that I think it would be much easier to find and buy from a greedy US distributor who cares only about money than to set up a believable middle man.
 
Did they actually change it after the thread started?

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knarfeng said:
I was thinking more along the lines of Kershaw, Columbia knife and tool, or Cold Steel. Larger operations who have knives made in Asia.
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Coincidentally, those guys try to keep their OEMs a secret. There were some hints that suggest that Kershaw might be using YangJiang Flyer Industrial (also makes Harnds, Tonife, and various kitchen knives). I really appreciate when companies tell you which Chinese manufacturers they use. Like an underlying issue here, we often see it when the name brings value. Coincidentally, some of the companies using dubiously sourced MagnaCut (or S45VN) here are on that list of "good companies".

Spyderco has a relationship with Sanrenmu but we only know that because Sal discussed it on their forum. Sanrenmu also makes knives for Boker, Ruike, and Real Steel. I haven't seen any MagnaCut or S45VN from them. Following discussions over there, I don't think they'll be getting SPY27 either. There has been clamor for it to be sent to their Japanese manufacturer but I don't know. 🤷‍♂️
 
Chronovore said:
Coincidentally, those guys try to keep their OEMs a secret. There were some hints that suggest that Kershaw might be using YangJiang Flyer Industrial (also makes Harnds, Tonife, and various kitchen knives). I really appreciate when companies tell you which Chinese manufacturers they use. Like an underlying issue here, we often see it when the name brings value. Coincidentally, some of the companies using dubiously sourced MagnaCut (or S45VN) here are on that list of "good companies".

Spyderco has a relationship with Sanrenmu but we only know that because Sal discussed it on their forum. Sanrenmu also makes knives for Boker, Ruike, and Real Steel. I haven't seen any MagnaCut or S45VN from them. Following discussions over there, I don't think they'll be getting SPY27 either. There has been clamor for it to be sent to their Japanese manufacturer but I don't know. 🤷‍♂️
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They really should be transparent about outsourcing their manufacturers
 
So folks feel private companies should open their books to the public and to their completion? Is that an "everyone" rule or just knife companies?

The country of origin (presented accurately) and the brand overall is more than enough for people to make their buying choices.
 
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