MagnaMax steel is now available

San is japanese for three. Mai is japanese for layers. San Mai translates to 3 layers...Basically sandwich one layer of steel between 2 others.
As said above he did mention pairing it with S90V for Damascus. He felt like they would have good contrast and the heat treatment for them line up pretty well. Not sure that combo would make sense for San Mai at least in the traditional sense.
 
As said above he did mention pairing it with S90V for Damascus. He felt like they would have good contrast and the heat treatment for them line up pretty well. Not sure that combo would make sense for San Mai at least in the traditional sense.
“Ghost” San Mai could become a thing.
 
I saw that Nick Rossi forged some magnamax into a nice little hidden tang!
 
It might be worth it to set some expectations when working with this alloy. For many of you, working with high carbide volume, high wear resistance steels is old hat, and you likely won’t need to hear any of this. But for some of you, perhaps this is a new world, so here’s some considerations to keep in mind.

This is the first stainless steel with both the toughness and wear resistance of wear resistant tool steels like K390 and CPM-10v. I know you’ve likely heard that before, but it bears repeating. The carbides in this steel are likely harder than some of the abrasives you use. Once hardened, this alloy is going to be difficult to grind.

Oddly enough, this isn’t true at coarser grits.

A fresh coarse grit ceramic belt pulls this stuff off wonderfully. Remarkably. You can accomplish a great deal with a 60 grit belt like Norton Blaze or VSM XK885Y. Nonetheless, when the belt stops cutting, don’t try to eek more out of it. You’ll just generate heat. Expect to use more abrasives - it’s just part of the deal with wear resistant steel!

I grind all of this material at full thickness, post heat treat. It’s that easy to grind with coarse grit ceramic abrasives. This also allows for full contact of the blade with my quench plates, for a faster quench rate, and perhaps less distortion.

For myself, I don’t grind primary bevels beyond 240 grit - this coincides with the endpoint for my ceramic belts. I just don’t feel it’s necessary on a truly stainless steel, and I personally like the aesthetic of a clean machine satin finish. Many of you like to do hand satin finishes - have at it. For people that are familiar with materials like this, there’s not going to be any surprises, but if some of you think alloys like M390, S35vn, or even Magnacut are tough to do, you’re in for a very new experience with Magnamax. This is not to dissuade you from the effort - I think it’s important for everyone to follow their muse. Just understand that you might need to explore new abrasives and processes to get the look you’re after.

It responds readily to heat treat, and in my experience so far has been relatively free of distortion when using aluminum plate quenches. Don’t waste any time getting out of those plates and into cryo - that’s not another step, remember, it’s the continuation of the quench, and this alloy seems to be sensitive to delay. Get out of those plates and into the freezing cycle of your choice as quickly as you can, within reason. If you’re the type that likes to do ‘as-quenched’ hardness tests out of plates, I’d advise you to make separate coupons for this, as there’s likely going to be disparities between material that’s been delayed long enough to test and material that was processed quickly into cryo.

None of what I’m writing here is intended to discourage you from using this material. Quite the opposite! I’m merely trying to set expectations. It’s an expensive material, with some unusual properties. It’s these same properties that set it apart from nearly everything that’s come before it. If you do your part, it should offer performance in areas of this category of steels that make it a fantastic upgrade for many knife applications.


Good luck!
 
I haven't mirror finished Magnamax yet, but I have done s90V and cpm-10V (and m4 and Magnacut). For those interested in doing so, see my post on diamond buff compounds.
 
Good info Matt!! How does it compare to grinding S90V at 61 HRC post HT? I found the coarser belts remove this material pretty well, like you did, and once you start seeing the steel get reflective at these grits, it's time for a new belt! I remember grinding S90V post HT with a 60 grit belt and the steel getting burnished as the belt was wearing down and seeing my fingers reflections clearly in the blade like it was a 400 grit belt finish! Oops!!

Cubitron 726A series of belts (AO/Ceramic blend in 120-400 grit) grind 64 HRC Magnacut and 61 HRC S90V pretty well to clean up the steel a bit more and leave a nicer finish. These belts flex and can get into a more gradual plunge cut. With a fresh 400 grit belt, you see the grey steel dust peeling off the blade and leaving a nice and brighter finish. I have also had excellent results in hardened S90V at 61 and Magnacut at 64 with some felt backed belts 320-600 grit that I get from Pops, too. Same with the Norton Norax Ceramic U936 belts; good finishers that will remove steel at the finer grits and give a brighter satin finish. Hopefully these will work on MagnaMax as well!

In terms of plate quenching and into the liquid nitrogen, I usually plate quench for around 2 minutes to get the blade fully down to room temp (typically in 1/16"-1/8" thick pieces) and then cut/unwrap the foil and go into the Nitrogen, so 3-4 minutes from oven to plates to nitrogen. Does this sound fast enough or should I try to move quicker on the plate quench? I am hoping to do some heat treating this coming week!
 
To be honest, when using 36 & 60 grit ceramic belts, I don't think I have been able to tell the difference between 65HRC 10V and 65HRC Blue Super. Two totally different steels. However, at 120 and up, there is a quite noticeable difference. I always prefer a hand satin finish with scratch pattern running tip to tang, and for steels that are very wear resistant, the diamond pads they use for cement polishing (I think that's what they use them for IIRC), really help that process be slightly less painful. I usually will only go to 400 grit.
 
In terms of plate quenching and into the liquid nitrogen, I usually plate quench for around 2 minutes to get the blade fully down to room temp (typically in 1/16"-1/8" thick pieces) and then cut/unwrap the foil and go into the Nitrogen, so 3-4 minutes from oven to plates to nitrogen. Does this sound fast enough or should I try to move quicker on the plate quench? I am hoping to do some heat treating this coming week!

I would suggest making some sample coupons - only way to know if you’re leaving anything on the table. My blades are cool to the touch in less than 20 or 30 seconds from plate quench, and I’ve got them removed from foil and into liquid nitrogen in perhaps ten seconds more.

As far as grinding is concerned, I’m reluctant to offer much beyond what I’ve already said. Too much room for individual methods to offer anything definitive. My coarse grinding is done pretty aggressively, by most standards, and I also grind wet. Your techniques, methods, and materials choices might make for a very different experience.
 
As said above he did mention pairing it with S90V for Damascus. He felt like they would have good contrast and the heat treatment for them line up pretty well. Not sure that combo would make sense for San Mai at least in the traditional sense.
I think it should be magnamax and rex121 or Zmax
 
I got my MagnaMax Friday morning and got some small test blades heat treated on Friday and ground on Saturday.

Overall I really like working with the steel. It took a small warp during heat treat which was easily removed with a carbide hammer. Both blades hit 65 hrc. I was running the 66 hrc protocol (2250 5 min, cryo, 300 temper) but my big kiln capable of hitting 2250 was struggling to rebound. I’ll probably stick to 2200 for 5 min for future EDC blades.

Grinding wasn’t super difficult or time consuming at all. I find high hardness carbon steels to feel quite different on the grinder than high hardness stainless steels. Magnamax feels exactly like I would expect from a high hardness stainless. It’s not as hard on belts as s90v but a little harder on the belts than s60v. In my experience something like 10V eats belts so to have nearly 10V performance but easier grinding is really nice.
 
I’ve made a few sanmai blades with MagnaMax, love it. I haven’t done one with damascus cladding yet. I plan on making some very soon.

Hoss

I saw the beautiful san-mai chef's knife that you posted with 416 side plates. Lovely work. What did you do to control carbon diffusion (if you don't mind me asking)? If it is a trade secret, feel free to ignore this!
 
I saw the beautiful san-mai chef's knife that you posted with 416 side plates. Lovely work. What did you do to control carbon diffusion (if you don't mind me asking)? If it is a trade secret, feel free to ignore this!
I use a very thin layer of pure nickel between the core and the cladding. It doesn’t stop the diffusion completely, but does slow it way down.

Hoss
 
I use a very thin layer of pure nickel between the core and the cladding. It doesn’t stop the diffusion completely, but does slow it way down.

Hoss
Thanks for this!
 
NSM shipped my order on Monday, and it is already here! Wow, indeed that was fast. I was checking out the spec sheet, and there is a healthy dose of niobium (2.63%). I wasn't expecting that, but a welcome addition! I have started on some ProCut and Wolfram Special blades, but can't wait to make a test knife to check out the new MagnaMax!!
 
Heat treated 2 coupons today! 2175 for 10 min, 2200 for 5 min, plate quench and into the nitrogen for a 60 min soak. HRC after cryo was 64-65 for 2175 and 63-64 for 2200, so I was worried I wasn't fast enough from Aus to quench to nitrogen. Did a snap temper for an hour at 325 and 2175 is showing 66 and 2200 is 65-66! Doing more tempering this evening and hoping to HT some MBBO in MagnaMax tomorrow!
 
2200 on the top, 2175 on the bottom. 2200 is around 65.5 and 2175 is 66 HRC on the coupons. Grain is super fine either way!
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Ground quick bevel on one of the coupons with a slightly worn vsm 50 grit 880 or 885, then worn Cubitron 726a in 220 grit. The worn 220 wiped the 50 grit scratches out pretty fast!
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