Man vs Wild or Survivorman

I too favor les and his productions over manvwild. The only thing informative that I get out of Man vs wild is knots. But its few and far between and some of it I'd be stupid to try as a begginer. Such as that suicide rig he used to rappel down into that canyon in Scotland I think.
 
I think you all need to stop picking on Bear:grumpy:

He is a Wilderness and Survival God!!!!

I try to incorporate his teachings in every aspect of my life!:thumbup:
















Right now I'm typing this as I walk across Interstate 95, blindfolded (Just what Bear would do) Yes there is an overpass over the major interstate, but thats atleast a block away.....
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If you research Les you might find when it comes to survival his credentials are equally impressive..
 
Don't get me wrong I would love to sit around a campfire and have a few beers with Mr. Grylls ... it's just that his show is based on the scripted reality TV crap that's taken over our world and I just can't stomach it. I wonder who the next celebrity on his show will be hmmm how about ... :barf:

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That's HOT !
 
Right now I'm typing this as I walk across Interstate 95, blindfolded (Just what Bear would do) Yes there is an overpass over the major interstate, but thats atleast a block away.....
:D


Yeah ... this is true ... we know the crew isn't taking the same way down as Bear is. That's the thing with MvW ... it's all about showmanship, but Bear DOES have the skills to back it up.

That Hawaiian lava field video above is freaking hilarious!
 
Bear Grylls has definitely taken some serious flack over not being 'honest' about the show. That said, the guy has a far more impressive resume than any of the other characters mentioned here: e.g. served in the British SAS, climbed Everest, well educated etc. As for the show, it's highly entertaining, far more so that the others, but it's not a survival show. He also takes massive risks, something you probably wouldn't do unless absolutely necessary, when faced with a survival situation.

Survivorman is definitely more legit ... 7 days alone ... no crew, but it's not as entertaining. You can acquire a lot of information from both shows.

Placed in a worst-case scenario survival situation, while in hostile territory, I'd put my money on Bear to come out alive. He's got the skills, training, fitness and experience. Put to you another way: on paper he looks more capable.
He was in a UK "territorial" unit, The Artist Rifles. A comparable U.S. unit would be a National Guard unit before 9/11. The Artist Rifles have an SAS theme - train part-time (about 27 days a year) for SAS missions. They are not the SAS. Most of his hitch was spent on medical leave because he seriously injured himself during training. (no surprise). What "resume"? What "experience"? He is not taken seriously by bushcrafters in the UK and is willing to demonstrate absolutely looney behavior for its entertainment value.

Les every time (even if he goes to sleep with fires burning inside brush shelters).
 
Bear Grylls is one of the few persons I've heard of who willingly, and while being fully aware of what he's doing, tries to kill himself over and over again.

Atleast that's what he appears to be doing. :rolleyes:
 
Of the two mentioned Les is my favorite. However being in the US I just recently discovered what our friends in the UK have known for years. Ray Mears is the real thing. He is the man and his last series was shot like a National Geographic special. Now his show is different than Les' but his style of bushcraft is for me something a person interested in such things should not miss.
 
I happend upon Ray Mears on the BBC channel on You Tube. I like him the best by far. Does he have a full length show in GB? I only get to see short clips on You Tube. Stroud is more realistic Bear, but I don't think he is as isolated as he makes it look in the show. Bear is entertaining, and does have some usefull information, but also passes along a lot dangerous practices.
 
I hate to be the guy calling the 'this thread has been done before', but boy has it ever.....

Anyhow, I'll submit that nobody actually learns a hell of a lot from TV. I try to avoid the damn thing myself. Sure you could pick up a little tip here or there. Are you really going to remember it? Are you going to just pull some tidbit out of your butt when the SHTF because you saw your bushy hero do it on tv?

NO

Time and time again, people get overconfident in what they think they can do compared to what they actually can do.

Look, most of these skills, even when you know the theory of operation really take some practice. If you are super serious about learning them, then go visit Kevin at WLC and take a course. Same goes for books. Books are great. But in order for the technique to work, you have to go out and practice. So much of the things we talk about in W&SS have a great deal of muscle and tactile memory and there are many little tricks to learning something that isn't completely spelled out for you. After all, every TV show's job is to keep the viewer interested more so than educated.

On the net, at least, you can get interactive. You can do an activity, get bogged down, then post a thread asking for help. This is a good learning approach.

So......I think Les is a cool dude. I'd love to have a beer with the guy. I think Les is capable of more than what he actually demonstrates on camera. In other words, I think Les fakes a little incompetence (or inexperience) every once in a while to dramatize the situation. This is in keeping with a cautionary approach and a good message to couch potatoes watching him.

I don't know Bear personally. I think his TV persona is moronic. His character (I do say character) gives bad and dangerous advice. There are several examples of things he does that are NOT the way it should be done and opposite to what is considered best practice. I gave a detailed account of why drinking urine is physiologically a mistake and how this practice can exacerbate dehydration effects in an earlier post on a similar thread. This was coming from a background of having taught human physiology at a University level for 2 years and considering kidney function during dehydration.

Even with the new voice overs, the advice given on the show is still poor advice. People with military training do not take undo risks. They do the opposite. Bear's on screen personality can only be described as a 'wilderness ninja'. I mean that in the same vein as 'mall ninja'. Lets do stupid things and call it tactical, instead its survivo-cool. This is entertainment, but not, edutainment. It is entertaining because watching him is tantamount to watching America's funniest videos. You are just waiting for the punchline.
 
He was in a UK "territorial" unit, The Artist Rifles. A comparable U.S. unit would be a National Guard unit before 9/11. The Artist Rifles have an SAS theme - train part-time (about 27 days a year) for SAS missions. They are not the SAS. Most of his hitch was spent on medical leave because he seriously injured himself during training. (no surprise). What "resume"? What "experience"? He is not taken seriously by bushcrafters in the UK and is willing to demonstrate absolutely looney behavior for its entertainment value.

Les every time (even if he goes to sleep with fires burning inside brush shelters).

OK let's get a few things straight:

1] All these shows have crazy margins of safety, even Les definitely has a big 'ol SAT phone in his pack. So while he's 'surviving', he's not in a 'survival situation'. Dislocated shoulder: boom heli will be there in 10 minutes ... unlike me having to hike out 2.5 hours and then drive an hour to a hospital with a dislocated shoulder [last fall] - good times. Les has a big entourage too, they're just not right there with him.:D During the episode in Northern Ontario when he had to be rescued b/c the ice was melting, they had lots of people and a mountain of gear ... two helos ... etc.

2] Survivorman is DEFINITELY the better survival show. Les actually teaches his viewers how to 'survive' ... "this is how you make a snare" ... "this is how you skin a rabbit..." etc. Bear Grylls doesn't really cover this in detail or does it so quickly we don't see the process. Bear [in the name of showmanship] also feeds a lot of bad advice and does a lot of stupid crap [especially around cliffs and waterfalls] - in a survival situation, when you're scared, malnourished, tired and sick, you should ALWAYS take the safe route. Climbing down slippery waterfalls and shit is just going to end in tragedy. Keep in mind these two programs are targeted at different types of people: Survivorman is really only going to appeal to outdoor types, like those who frequent this forum; MvW is geared towards a much broader audience: it's fast-paced, entertaining etc ... and my wife can actually sit through an entire episode. MvW is about showmanship and entertainment value and is filmed just like any other program: in segments. Survivorman is unique in that it's mostly filmed entirely by Les.

3] MvW is definitely less hardcore than Survivorman, but Bear is still a hardcore dude and doesn't deserve the 'he's a joke or a farce" monikers. As for his outdoor resume: 1] He's climbed Everest. The standard route up Everest certainly isn't the hardest on earth, but it's the highest and would make 5 marathons back to back seem like a complete joke. There's no rescues high-up on Everest. Surviving for 7 days anywhere doesn't even come close to the kind of pain and risks one assumes climbing 8000 metre peaks. He's done several other crazy expeditions as well. 2] Obviously has superb mountaineering/climbing skills and comfort dealing with heights and parachuting. 3] Wikipedia makes no mention of "The Artist Rifles" they say Special Forces SAS[Reserve]. I'm not an expert on military assets, but I don't believe the National Guard is considered a 'Special Forces' team. The article mentions that he was a survival instructor [for SAS] and a medic. If the military is asking him to teach survival skills, I would hope he's qualified. He passed the special forces selection [obviously], which I'm sure is probably pretty tough; you must be of a certain aptitude, intelligence, judgement and must exhibit strong physical ability. 4] Has a black belt, studies ninjutsu etc. 5] Speaks three languages ... etc etc.

Anyway ... the two shows are apples to oranges. One [Surviorman] is more realistic/hardcore than the other [MvW]. I think Bear is the fall guy for how a network chooses to film a program. Being a good survivor isn't just about your bushcraft abilities, knowledge or how well you absorbed the SAS Survival Handbook, it's also about: 1] mental tenacity; 2] strong physical fitness; 3] age; 4] resourcefulness; and 5] judgement. Practice, practice, practice ... TV shows omit a lot, read, ask questions, take courses, and practice whenever you can.

On a side note, if any of you want to see an very good 'survival' movie watch "Touching the Void" - now that's insanely hardcore. Talk about will to live.
 
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Bear Grylls has definitely taken some serious flack over not being 'honest' about the show. That said, the guy has a far more impressive resume than any of the other characters mentioned here: e.g. served in the British SAS, climbed Everest, well educated etc. As for the show, it's highly entertaining, far more so that the others, but it's not a survival show. He also takes massive risks, something you probably wouldn't do unless absolutely necessary, when faced with a survival situation.

Survivorman is definitely more legit ... 7 days alone ... no crew, but it's not as entertaining. You can acquire a lot of information from both shows.

Placed in a worst-case scenario survival situation, while in hostile territory, I'd put my money on Bear to come out alive. He's got the skills, training, fitness and experience. Put to you another way: on paper he looks more capable.

Well put, redpoint.......I agree 100%
 
Redpoint's post was excellent! :thumbup:

When it comes to answering the question of the original post, the answer (from me) is clearly Les. A good friend of mine had influence in teaching that gent, and he taught him well! Well done Bert, and well done Les!

Another survivor gentleman was mentioned by another poster. The fellow in question is Sgt. Chris Ryan. I have researched this chap at the recommendetion of my son, and he is apparently a soldier who managed to run hundreds of miles to escape his captors. I think it was in Iraq in the 1st gulf war; correct me if I am wrong. From what I have learned of this man, he incorporates the likes of Les Stroud, 'Fair' Grylls and good ol' Sgt. York (it's a flick) in one stride. I have internet back and would like to hear more about Chris Ryan as opposed to the regular old Les vs. Bear banter. Anyone here wise on this?


Cheers, and hold 'em high!
Glenn
 
Les Stroud would be better in a bind. Constantly going after a camera might get old. Daring Grylls to eat something - then watching him puke & poop everywhere - does have some entertainment value. Of course, Stroud's harmonica definitely could get old. It would probably keep grizzlies and moose away, however. He's likely to have that sat-locator he was harping - a plus if you want to be rescued. Of course, Grylls would have that heli following him - and know the four star lodges, etc. Tough decision. Of course, Stroud ended Survivorman last year - reruns only. Grylls trudges on... when his Antarctica adventure injuries finally heal.

Stainz
 
Redpoint's post was excellent! :thumbup:

When it comes to answering the question of the original post, the answer (from me) is clearly Les. A good friend of mine had influence in teaching that gent, and he taught him well! Well done Bert, and well done Les!

Another survivor gentleman was mentioned by another poster. The fellow in question is Sgt. Chris Ryan. I have researched this chap at the recommendetion of my son, and he is apparently a soldier who managed to run hundreds of miles to escape his captors. I think it was in Iraq in the 1st gulf war; correct me if I am wrong. From what I have learned of this man, he incorporates the likes of Les Stroud, 'Fair' Grylls and good ol' Sgt. York (it's a flick) in one stride. I have internet back and would like to hear more about Chris Ryan as opposed to the regular old Les vs. Bear banter. Anyone here wise on this?


Cheers, and hold 'em high!
Glenn

Sgt. York was real enough, and damned impressive. There was more to him than the movie showed.

http://www.sgtyorkdiscovery.com/The_York_Story.php
 
Most informative: the venerable Ray Mears

Most practical: Les Stroud/Survivorman

Most entertaining: Bear Grylls/Man vs. Wild

Most "tactically inspiring": Chris Ryan/Hunting Chris Ryan

. . . and Honorable Mention: Myke Hawke/I Shouldn't Be Alive :)
Completly agree :thumbup:
 
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