Manix 2 -- why???

[Reeek]

It opens one handed just fine by using the thumb and index or middle finger. Same thing for closing. If you use your thumb and middle finger you can push the spine with your index finger to close it but the blade just falls and swings anyway when the lock is disengaged.

The lock is much stiffer to open than an Axis though. I can't operate the lock with just my thumb (yet).

Maybe as it breaks in.

 

[tjsulli790]

I want to, but I cannot get excited about the not-really-a-Manix Manix II. It looks like a fine, well-made knife, and many of the early buyers seem to like it a lot, as they usually do. However, the early reviews of the real Manix were more enthusiastic and widespread.

But it isn't a Manix.

The Manix has a big (not small) blade.
The Manix has a full flat grind (not hollow) on a big leaf blade.
The Manix has clean lines (not jimping and plastic buttons up the ying yang).
The Manix has excellent S30V steel (not pretty darn good 154CM).
The Manix has its own name (not a pretend-I'm-something-else name).

Wow, it's like you can read my mind. This is exactly how I felt when the first pictures were released. I was all excited about the Manix being brought back to life, only to be disappointed to get a pimped Tenacious.

 

[harkamus]

Wow, it's like you can read my mind. This is exactly how I felt when the first pictures were released. I was all excited about the Manix being brought back to life, only to be disappointed to get a pimped Tenacious.

I think you guys are being too harsh. Pimped Tenacious? Perhaps if the Tenacious had a ball bearing lock, I'd agree with you. Maybe if the Manix 2 were manufactured overseas, I'd agree as well.

To the other guy? Plastic up the ying yang? It has a plastic cover on the ball bearing...that's it; that's the only bit of 'more' plastic the Manix 2 has over the older Manix. The rest is the same. G-10. Unless my mind is fading, I don't recall the older Manix having some other handle material.

I think you guys are more disappointed in the Manix 2 for having a hollow ground blade and one that isn't larger. FWIW, the Manix 2 is meant to mimic the size of the Mini-Manix. Also, Sal has commented on more than one occasion that a 4 inch (or even larger) blade length Manix 2 will come, MAYBE in FFG, and maybe in more exotic steel than 154cm, which to some of you guys sounds like the red headed step child of blade materials.

Let's not forget the knife is 80 bucks. For 80 bucks I don't think you can get s30v AND a ball bearing lock. The closest comparison for s30v and a similar lock is, and I'm sure you guys know, a Ritter grip.

No one can appease everyone.

There's also, Krein if you absolutely must have FFG. He's already flatground several Manix 2s.

 

[nu3gawhat]

I think my next knife will be one of the Manix 2's with a FFG in s90v. Hope its not too much more expensive then the regulars.

 

[Infi-del]

The Manix has a big (not small) blade.

Agreed. I was dissapointed with the blade length. I was hoping for something in the 4" range. I didn't think they'd make it even smaller. The grind doesn't bother me and I actually like 154cm better than S30V. But the size is probably gonna keep me from purchasing one.

 

[emperorwang]

are there any plans to release it in vg10?

 

[tjsulli790]

are there any plans to release it in vg10?

The Manix 2 is a Golden made knife, so no I doubt it will ever be made with VG10.

 

[razorsdescent]

the full flat grind is what attracted me to the origional manix. i dont see why sal would change it.

 

[tjsulli790]

I think you guys are being too harsh. Pimped Tenacious? Perhaps if the Tenacious had a ball bearing lock, I'd agree with you. Maybe if the Manix 2 were manufactured overseas, I'd agree as well.

Same handle material. Same size. Similar looking despite the Tenacious having a FFG blade. The Manix 2 is an improved Tenacious, nothing wrong with that. I just wish they had stuck to what made the Manix so popular.

If the Manix 2 was the same size as the original Manix and had a FFG blade it would live up to its name. It wouldn't be a mimic due to the added ball lock, added ridging, and slightly altered ergos. I wish they hadn't ventured so far because I really really loved the original.

 

[flipe8]

I just wish they had stuck to what made the Manix so popular.
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Out of curiousity, why would Spyderco get rid of the model if it was selling so well? This forum likely makes up a relatively small % of actual buyers out there.

It would be very interesting to see a head to head comparison of the Mini Manix and the Manix2.

 

[Sword of Morning]

Similar looking despite the Tenacious having a FFG blade. The Manix 2 is an improved Tenacious, nothing wrong with that.

The mini-Manix is about the same overall shape as the Manix 2 despite the grind and lock differences. Some very slight variation is size. Plus, they added some jimping to the liners. Really, the Manix 2 is an improved Mini-Manix.
IMO, the Tenacious' shape was partially inspired by the Mini-Manix. That is where your similarity comes from. However, that is the main thing they really have in common. Different blade, g-10, lock, hardware, steel, etc. than either Manix.
I think the Manix 2 is worthy of having the name. No matter what anyone says, it IS a Manix because the designer made that call. It's his creation afterall.
The best thing anyone can do is hold one, open it, close it and even use it. Until you do, you're not really informed on how good or bad the product is.

 

[gunmike1]

The Manix 2 has the same model designation (C-101) as the Mini Manix, so it is obvious Eric Glesser was trying to improve upon the Mini Manix while adding mass appeal to hopefully make a profitable, yet extremely good knife. The ergos are top notch, the knife is lighter and stronger than the original even with thinner blade stock, so there is a lot to like. The people who use the knife like it, while those saying it isn't a Manix are just going by the pictures. Don't get me wrong, I'll probably get mine Kreined to a FFG, but at $80 it is hard to think of a better hard use knife, and the hollow grind cuts better than most people think.

Mike

 

[yablanowitz]

I was hoping for a flat grind as well, but almost ordered one anyway. Then I got to looking at the white/clearish??? plastic over the lock. That's what turned me away. I'm also not sure if it can be closed with one hand... at least as easy as a lockback.

Reeek, what do think about the plastic now that you have one in hand? ...and can it be closed with one hand at all?

I'm still on the fence and may pick one up soon.

Just so you will know, the "plastic" ball cage is a high-tech polymer that is probably tougher than the blade steel. The technology was developed for the P'kal, which is purpose built for weapon use and tested accordingly.

As for releasing the lock one-handed, or one-thumbed, as easily as a lock-back...it is an entirely different motion, and may prove easier for some people and harder for others.

 

[Vinnie the Nose]

Wait for the flat ground, but meanwhile I highly recommend that you pick up a Lum Chinese. This is the first knife I plan on buying a duplicate of I like it so much.

 

[Josh K]

I'll take the Manix2 as is without complaint. It's sitting in my pocket right now. For the price and features, I think it's the best bargain in the Spyderco line.

:thumbup:

It's a perfect match to the Chinese made Tenacious. USA made, 154CM, G-10, CBBL, what's not to like?

I'll admit, I was critical at first. Hollow grind? WTF Spyderco? Jimping all over? Does that even work? Tip up only? Please let this be a bad dream.

After getting on in hand (Thanks Tom! ) I realized that the ergo's are fantastic, the CBBL is one of my favorite locks, 154CM is something I've been missing, and the hollow grind works fine. If I needed a big folder I'd get a Military. I had a ZT302 until I realized it wasn't practical for EDC. The original Manix was great, but what a heavy beast it was.

The only thing I still miss is the tip down carry. Compare this to a BM550 or Ritter Grip and you'll see that this knife far outshines them in terms of strength and performance.

Agreed. I was dissapointed with the blade length. I was hoping for something in the 4" range. I didn't think they'd make it even smaller. The grind doesn't bother me and I actually like 154cm better than S30V. But the size is probably gonna keep me from purchasing one.

Knowing your affection for the Strider AR I'd say it's a small knife to you.

 

[Josh K]

Same handle material. Same size. Similar looking despite the Tenacious having a FFG blade. The Manix 2 is an improved Tenacious, nothing wrong with that. I just wish they had stuck to what made the Manix so popular.

When they released the Tenacious a people complained about it being fully made in China, claiming they'd pay double the cost for a fully USA made knife.

Well here it is. And no, it's not just an "improved Tenacious." Better blade shape, better ergos, different lock, different clip, better F&F, smoother draw, tighter lockup, stronger.

By the same token you could call the Tenacious a "scaled down and fatter" Military. Look! They both have G-10 handles and liner locks! What? You can't see the resemblance?

They made the Manix lighter, stronger, and easier on the wallet. I don't see anything wrong with that.

 

[THG]

I want to, but I cannot get excited about the not-really-a-Manix Manix II. It looks like a fine, well-made knife, and many of the early buyers seem to like it a lot, as they usually do. However, the early reviews of the real Manix were more enthusiastic and widespread.

But it isn't a Manix.

The Manix has a big (not small) blade.
The Manix has a full flat grind (not hollow) on a big leaf blade.
The Manix has clean lines (not jimping and plastic buttons up the ying yang).
The Manix has excellent S30V steel (not pretty darn good 154CM).
The Manix has its own name (not a pretend-I'm-something-else name).

Sadly I have to agree with this, minus the jimping and plastic cage complaint, both of which I like.

 

[tjsulli790]

When they released the Tenacious a people complained about it being fully made in China, claiming they'd pay double the cost for a fully USA made knife.

Well here it is. And no, it's not just an "improved Tenacious." Better blade shape, better ergos, different lock, different clip, better F&F, smoother draw, tighter lockup, stronger.

By the same token you could call the Tenacious a "scaled down and fatter" Military. Look! They both have G-10 handles and liner locks! What? You can't see the resemblance?

They made the Manix lighter, stronger, and easier on the wallet. I don't see anything wrong with that.

It doesn't matter. When I see the new Manix I see a Tenacious resemblance. I just don't find myself being reminded of the old Manix. And that's not knocking either of those knives, both are decent buys for the price.

Lighter - Well it didn't really need to be. If you were a lover of the original Manix than weight really wasn't much of a concern to you.

Stronger - Umm how much stronger do we need lol. If that big ole lockback wasn't enough for ya grab a fixed blade.

Cheaper - Well yea I'm all for that. But there are some features that I wouldn't mind paying the little extra for and I wish they hadn't been left out.

 

[J.Mattson]

It seems to me that people looking at this knife and saying that its not a Manix is a bit like an owner of a C1 Corvette looking at the new C6 and saying its not vette because there are to many differences. Products change, desinges evlove. Sometimes that change is very organic like the 911 and sometimes there are much more radical changes like the vette.

The Manix 2 is a Manix because Spyderco says so.

I like the knife. Spyderco does a great job with G10. I don’t have any doubt that its going to be an incredibly strong knife. The lock is one of the coolest on the market. I like the jimping all over the place, often times when I’m doing heavy cutting I have to keep re-adjusting my grip because my hand slides back I doubt that I’ll have this problem with the Manix 2.

I like the steel. 154cm has always been one of my favorites, its in my top 4 with (D2, VG-10, CMP S30V and 154cm) if you were to ask me which of those 4 I like best your gonna see me staring into space with a dumbfounded look on my face…I really wouldn’t be able to pick.

I like the grind. Hollow grinding cuts really, really well. As good as a FFG? No but it makes sense why they picked hollow in this case.

Look through the posts of the people who have this new knife. Can you find 1 person who isn’t enamored with the blade? I cant. Now go back to the original Manix 2 picture thread and you’ll see that many of the people who have this knife and love it complained about the same things that so many people have brought up in this thread.

I only have one complaint, the clip (no sorry Josh doesn’t matter if its tip down or tip up to me) I wish it wasn’t polished. I love the way that spyderco’s clips show use.

 

[gunmike1]

I only have one complaint, the clip (no sorry Josh doesn’t matter if its tip down or tip up to me) I wish it wasn’t polished. I love the way that spyderco’s clips show use.

Get an Endura clip, it fits perfectly.

Mike