Martial Arts question

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Nah, Aikido was 'conceptualized' in the 1940's by its founder Morihei Ueshiba, who distilled it from the Ju Jitsu that he was taught.

didn't realise that, I made an assumption based on whats I'd been shown, I'll go and read up a bit more :)
 
Ok, got it now, once you mentioned Segal.. :D

Thank you everyone for the information. I am going to take my co worker up on the offer, as a base. A starting point if you will. The instructor is very well thought of by the two guys I work with, and the second guy has been a Kempo (Kenpo?) instructor for years. So... who knows.

I just couldn't picture what I was getting into.. :eek:

Thanks again,
MrC
 
I've been in MA for a bit less than 10 years, and been in contact with a few different styles due to the nature of the discipline I practiced which is Yoseikan Budo.

It all depends on what your intentions are about training: general fitness or more muscularly or develop reflexes/etc, enhance self-confidence (NOT necessarily in a fight but in everyday life), want to learn a traditional ART, or more of a fighting technique that you can actually use, do you want to take part in competitions, usage of weapons or not ...?

all these questions, among others, should be answered at least partially. It can be quite hard when you've never been in close contact with any MA though, but a try worth it.

The best way to actually answer most of them is to actually try a course or two for free at different dojos. The style is one thing, but the Sensei (teacher) and classmates is another BIG factor that will determine if you'll appreciate it and learn from it.

Most Dojo will offer any newcomer at least a free course, without the need of wearing the Gi (mostly called kimono, which is not completely correct).

I personally would recommend Yoseikan Budo for different reasons and it's the style I know the most about so I can speak about experience.

Note that for that reason I might not be 100% objective but I'll try my best about this, keep this in mine while reading ;)

YB is a modern and very versatile MA. In short, it's partly sport, partly Art. Tthere's competitions and such, that are NOT mandatory at all but there's also a large aspect linked to the ART of practicing MA, with a real good philosophy of partnership and the like.

It's widely derived from Aikido (the aikido part of YB is called Aikibudo, which is more realistic and efficient than traditional Aikido). It also borrows a lot of techniques from JuJutsu, various forms Karate, Judo, Tenshin Shoden Katori Shinto-ryu, iaido etc ...

In short, it means there're striking techniques, including pressure point manip., throws, including sutemi(sacrificial throws, very nice techniques :)), joint-locking, armed combat (bo, jo, katana/bokken, tanto, saï, etc).

If you want an allround MA style, this is the one for you ;) It's direct history is quite recent, but it comes from a long run in its roots, coming from traditional styles, and it's in constant evolution.

I suggest you read this and its related articles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoseikan_Budo
Here's a video that'll give you an preview of training and competitions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSDyLY-KySo

(when they're wearing protection, it's during competitions, as the training are usually not as hardcore :P)

hope you'll like

O.
 
There is no such thing as dirty fighting. And that is my take on all this fighting stuff.

You sound exactly like a MA teacher I had. He was all about ending the fight as soon as possible, he was any anything goes kind of guy.

I took a (very) little Aikido in university. I like it a lot, it is one of the styles that I would like to take again. For straight up fighting look for a MA that teaches both hitting (punches/kicks) and grappling (ground work and locks).

Just my 2 cents. Actually its 2 cents Canadian so really only 1.8 cents US ;)
 
How about this?.....................
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OR

This?

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I know both to be very effective....................... :D
 
"if you have to fight then damn sure disable your attacker with any and all means possible. There is no such thing as dirty fighting. And that is my take on all this fighting stuff. "

I agree fully with that.
Fighting is life or death, their is no middle ground.


That is exactly what krav maga is all about. :thumbup:
 
Hmm, Ill throw in my .02cents...
Aikido is an art version of Aikijutsu, which is a fighting version that is derived from a samurai art, it was used by japanese police.
Aikido is, as others have mentioned a good base, it gets you used to falling and how to fall, as a fitness its geat as a fighting style its better than no skill.
MA will not turn you into a self defence god by any means.
As a black belt take it from me-the best defence is not to be there and if that means running then run!
Free lessons...well while there is no such thing as a free lunch and all that be warned thery me be as valuable as what you pay for them...however it will not hurt too much to go a long and give things ago, you may need to get a gi (hakama and etc).
I would suggest you give it a go and then try something else - the best fighters i have evr met have tried several different methods before settling on their style, and then tend to use a blend from everything.
 
Yup if your going to fight or practice. MMA is the best. There's gyms all over if you want to fight. Need a ground base like wrestling and a striking base with alot of stamina. But if you don't fight / spar your not going to learn jack. Or how to use it. Like said before depends on the gym you train. You can go to a 7-11 dojo that want you to buy a belt every 2 months and have a black belt in 1 year . Or go to a real dojo and you will never get a black belt unless you fight in compentition for it. But being a black belt doesn't mean jack unless from a reputible gym my. If you want to do MA for conditioning just try them all and go to the gym you like :) $0.02
 
I took TKD for 5 years between age 14 and 19 and earned my black belt. Now I'm pushing forty and out of shape but I have a respectable job and good lifestyle. I never got into a fight in 21 years since receiving my belt. I attribute a lot of success in my career to my learning self discipline in MA. That was much more valuable than learning to fight.

Here are a few things that TKD taught me - respect, for myself and my colleagues, self discipline, good balance (I still have that today!), what it feels like to get hit hard and get knocked out, what it feels like to knock somebody else out, what it feels like when you are 'in control' of a fight, what it feels like to be the opposite of that, how far can I push myself before utter exhaustion - and then push myself a little bit further, how gratifying it is to teach others.

Most of what you read about MA on the internet is bullshit, the latter goes for some of what was said in this thread.

My advice is take the experience and go for the training. You will know in 16 weeks whether you respect and admire your instructor. If not, move on. Be aware of schools that appear as though are just trying to make money - chances are they are. Be aware that what you get out of your training really amounts to what you put into it. You are doing it for yourself so give it an honest effort. Chances are very high, that the instructor at your gym can teach something. You'll only learn if you are earnest in taking those lessons.

Good luck in your choice!
 
I wrestled since I was in Grammer school to collage. Muy Tai in the off season. No belts. Work out at a MMA gym but don't fight just sparr. In know black belt doesn't mean you can fight. You will/ may lean how to respect you opponents or be a good sport and not a bully. But like anything else you always need to practice. MA is good conditioning any style if thats what you want. I'm 43 and in shape still. All I need now is my Hest to play with :)
 
Here's my take. I have always been a tall and imposing guy. My mother wouldn't "let me" learn how to fight and my father went along. So, I got to learn how to scrap the old fashioned way, trial and error. Running is not always an option, so I figure it is better to bring something to that unfortunate situation than nothing.

Step one to avoiding fights, courtesy of hard lessons in the employ of Uncle Sugar--don't get publicly intoxicated. This is the surest bet for an ass kicking.

Step Two--Never fight over a woman. The only ones who are worth it are mothers (who are present) fiancees, wives and daughters. All others need not apply unless you have to step in to prevent a crime.

Step three is to not fly solo. If your judgment is impaired, someone along with you, preferably of lesser courage, will probably back you down.

I am trained in escrima and in firearms use. I am not going to fight anyone any longer. If they are still escalating while I am trying my damndest to cool things down, you'll be facing the muzzle of a 1911A1 wherever I can carry and Benchmade 610 wherever I cannot. Fighting fair is for suckers. Wait until you can articulate reasonable fear for the life and limb or yourself or others with you and then end it.

In light of my experience, my eldest son and my daughter have been studying Muay Thai since they were each five. My now eight year old son is currently at the point where he can kick or knee strike a heavy bag 50 times a side without getting winded and the bag pops. He is currently putting together low kick, elbow strike, and head butt combos. He will spar when he is 16 if he keeps at it. My daughter, now six is learning spacing, balance, and constant movement while keeping her guard up and targeting shin kicks while maintaining her footing. Her instructor says that all martial arts are the 3000 year old pursuit of not taking a kick to the groin or a strike to the throat. Yes, that is what passes for comedy in a gym.

When my son is a teenager, we'll fold in some ground pounding, with judo and jujitsu being the leading candidates.

However, the most important thing is to learn situational awareness. The best outcome to a fight is to completely avoid it. My son is training up to hopefully spare him some of the knocks I took and I want my daughter's inevitable boyfriends to fear what she could do to them in the back of their minds. Neither of them have, or will ever, earn a "belt ranking" in MT. They will simply know how to take some one apart in time.

Sorry for getting longwinded, but I sort of agree and disagree with Jeff. Run if you can, but fight if you must. I recommend studying "no bullshit" martial arts that focus on practicality rather than form and self empowerment. Muay Thai is a live fighting art, especially when you put head attacking back into the mix, which is illegal in the ring. Other practical arts include Krav Maga, Sambo, Filipino Martial Arts, and some MMA instruction.

Right now, MMA is flavor of the month, but train credibly. Most of that stuff is ring oriented and focuses on one opponent and no situational awareness. Don't get caught up in the opinion that a pure sport fighting discipline is instantly applicable to outside reality.
 
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I wrestled since I was in Grammer school to collage. Muy Tai in the off season. All I need now is my Hest to play with :)


I hear carrying the H.E.S.T eliminates the need to train in any Martial Art......from self defense, to popping a cold one open after the fight, the H.E.S.T does it all.............................:D
 
Ok, thank you everyone for your input. I went to the dojo, and observed a class tonight, and I found it very very different then any I have looked into before.

First off, when i walked in, everyone was stretching (expected that), and after a bit, someone noticed me watching and she came over and invited me in. They finished the warm up and started the class. It was pretty easy to tell who had been in the class and who was new right off. The instructor showed a example then everyone paired off and tried it. He only interfered when you had a mis step then he slow the pair down and showed them the correct hold, grip, steps... whatever and then let them go again.

The hour I was there they only worked on three moves, but they worked at them hard. After that, the instructor came over and introduced himself, and asked me if I had any questions, and we talked for a bit. it seems that in the traditional Aikido, there is no beginner, advance break out of the class. Everyone works together, reguardless of level. He warned me that the first few months are a bit furstrating for that reason, and that moving up levels (belts) took quite a bit longer then other MA. They way they are able to keep the group together like that is the speed at which you attack (as the aggressor) decides how the fast the move is, and if the person is new and just getting the move, he will slow things down, simply by stepping back. It sounds weird, but watching it, it worked very well. The balance and general fitness of the group, especially the people that were older then I am, was impressive.

So I am going to take my friend up on his offer, and try the 16 weeks. As the same token, I am going to look at other Dojos (thou we truly only have 3 in my area). Hell if I can get back some of my balance, and loose a few pounds of fat, AND it gets me out of watching the kids a couple of nights a week, I got nothing to lose :)
 
Sound good. The most important thing is if you like it get in shape feel healthier then it's work it. Strictly running or lifting weights is boring. A mixture of sports/MA is alot more fun. Good luck
 
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