Martial Arts question

Glocks and 1911s are so completely different... though it's like comparing a byrd with, say, a RAT. the byrd is chinese made, though a decent design, uses acceptable materials for its pricerange. glocks are made to put rounds downrange in a law enforcement and sporting capacity, as byrds are designed to cut on an everyday basis. The 1911 is a geniously designed work of art offering fine craftsmanship, attention to detail, rugged dependability, as is the line of knives RAT has to offer. The fact that the 1911 is still used widespread 100 years after its design for personal defense, law enforcement and military use, sporting and the highest levels of competition just goes to show how amazing the firearm really is. They serve two different purposes. You will never catch me relying on a plastic framed handgun though, unless WALTHER is inscribed on the slide.
 
This is my Aikido instructor. She's like a 69th degree black belt. She can kick your ass even if you're not even in the room with her.

Lucy_Liu.jpg
 
I have respect for all forms of fighting styles... but to me if you understand your surroundings and feel/see things are getting bad ,walk away.... if someone says something to you..walk away....once you turn to voice your opinion you maybe eating a fist or worse...
you can be the baddest Mo-fo on the planet there is still someone else ,stronger ,tougher etc... and everyone can be caught off guard no matter who you are.The element of surprise is a great equalizer .
 
R.A.T. said:
This is my Aikido instructor. She's like a 69th degree black belt. She can kick your ass even if you're not even in the room with her.

Lucy_Liu.jpg
Click to expand...

:D too funny. Somehow I knew that this would be the direction the thread took.........
 
R.A.T. said:
This is my Aikido instructor. She's like a 69th degree black belt. She can kick your ass even if you're not even in the room with her.

Lucy_Liu.jpg
Click to expand...

I WANT an ASS KICKING from your instructor in any style she has perfected! :D ......................69th degree.....now that is funny:D .....I like it!:thumbup:
 
PayetteRucker said:
Glocks and 1911s are so completely different... though it's like comparing a byrd with, say, a RAT. the byrd is chinese made, though a decent design, uses acceptable materials for its pricerange. glocks are made to put rounds downrange in a law enforcement and sporting capacity, as byrds are designed to cut on an everyday basis. The 1911 is a geniously designed work of art offering fine craftsmanship, attention to detail, rugged dependability, as is the line of knives RAT has to offer. The fact that the 1911 is still used widespread 100 years after its design for personal defense, law enforcement and military use, sporting and the highest levels of competition just goes to show how amazing the firearm really is. They serve two different purposes. You will never catch me relying on a plastic framed handgun though, unless WALTHER is inscribed on the slide.
Click to expand...

So your saying you don't like the Glock:D......just kidding, thanks for the info:)







Now I'm off to PACK my lunch, and I can't forget my Trusty Tupperware on my ankle:D
 
texastonydobbs said:
I have respect for all forms of fighting styles... but to me if you understand your surroundings and feel/see things are getting bad ,walk away.... if someone says something to you..walk away....once you turn to voice your opinion you maybe eating a fist or worse...
you can be the baddest Mo-fo on the planet there is still someone else ,stronger ,tougher etc... and everyone can be caught off guard no matter who you are.The element of surprise is a great equalizer .
Click to expand...

Ok, with respect to all of thou who stress walking away... I agree 100%.

BUT there are times when it isnt an option. As I mentioned I had a few close calls over the last few years, one of them my 12 year old son and I where leaving the movies, and on the sidewalk, my son bumped into a guy, and said excuse me. Well the guy (drunk) reponded by knocking my kid on his ass, full force punch to the side of the head, and moved to kick the crap out of him. I got between them and a cop grabbed him and had him in cuffed before I needed to do anything, except pick my kid up off the ground. (Which I am just as happy about, thou I was seriously pissed, I just stepped back and let the cops do their thing.) Had the cop not been there, it would have been up to me to defend my kid. No walking away, no running, no nothing. This isnt about insults, name calling, or ego trips. Call me all the names you want... insult all you want... I couldn't care less. Harm my family and you best have made peace with the Almighty.

To me it is quite clear. There are times when you find that you are in a situation that all the "just walk away" advice equals zip. You stand your ground to insure the person behind you is safe. (To the best of your ability) Or that they can get away as you delay whomever is going to harm them. This isnt the "bad" part of town, it was in the center of town. One bookstore, one hardware store, one used clothing store, one movie theater, two fast food places, and nine bars.

I am not really interested in Martial Arts as a way of making myself into some billy bad ass, I am stictly looking for some "self improvement". Adding tools to my toolbox is fine and dandy too, but I am NOT getting into a street fight if I can avoid it. With the exception of my walking away causes my family harm.

Avoiding going where assholes go... well... I like leaving my house. :) Truth of the matter is we all deal with people that are jackasses all the time. At work, on the net, you name it, there are people our there that just like given other people shit. Who cares? I tend to rank those people as about a important as belly button lint. You can't taunt me into a fight.

EDIT: As for the drunk, not sure what happened after he was arrested, but he was found beaten to death by the railroad track about two months later.
 
Last edited:
I think the most applicable and the fastest learning curve is Krav Maga. texastony makes a good point in that situational awareness will prevent 99% of physical conflicts, but Krav Maga is one of those fighting styles where you can go to a one hour class and take away ALOT of practical skill and knowledge. Training for it is hard since it's truly a no bullshit fighting style, it can be lethal. Houston has a big Krav Maga program, I know, but as far as who in the US does a decent job of teaching it, I couldn't tell you.
 
PayetteRucker said:
I think the most applicable and the fastest learning curve is Krav Maga.
Click to expand...

I agree the core of Krav Maga is lethal (highly effective) striking that is easily applied.

But one has to wonder how a middle aged male in decent shape would look to a jury as he tried to explain why he chose to crush a persons larnyx followed with gouging his eyes out, for knocking his son down (just using the example given earlier, not using that person as the example) God forbid he was a little rough around the edges and didn't look very personable.

If you don't want to have to do alot of explaining, you better learn something a bit more non-lethal or don't use it (run). the mindset of the people who invented Krav-Maga, is a hell of a lot more forgiving of violence commited in the defence of person than our "A-typical" american jury. If you are caught fighting in america you are going to court, plan on it, only a fool thinks he will fight and not have to answer for it.

I would have to say if your american its hard to discount the total worth of Jiu Jutsu. Its pretty easy to defend yourself in court when all you did was choke out some A-hole.

I really want to weight in on the benefits of training over a 2 hour how not to get raped class. But i think it has been done to death at BF numerous times over in Prac-Tac.
 
PayetteRucker said:
I think the most applicable and the fastest learning curve is Krav Maga. texastony makes a good point in that situational awareness will prevent 99% of physical conflicts, but Krav Maga is one of those fighting styles where you can go to a one hour class and take away ALOT of practical skill and knowledge. Training for it is hard since it's truly a no bullshit fighting style, it can be lethal. Houston has a big Krav Maga program, I know, but as far as who in the US does a decent job of teaching it, I couldn't tell you.
Click to expand...

I looked into the Krav Maga locally after it was mentioned here. Closest place too me is about three hours drive..... not going to happen anytime soon I am afraid, but I must admit, it looks really interesting.
 
MrCoffee said:
I looked into the Krav Maga locally after it was mentioned here. Closest place too me is about three hours drive..... not going to happen anytime soon I am afraid, but I must admit, it looks really interesting.
Click to expand...

There is something hilarious about seeing someone bent on knocking someones teeth out, completely dominated by someone who doesn't even look bothered by that fact as they sink a choke, or let them flail around in a leg lock.
http://gracie-jiu-jitsu.com/ (how far is west hartford from you?)

A bit closer and a personal preference, Sityodtong
 
bjj is a very good methodology as well.
first fight on the vid.
[youtube]uOcWJH0mJPQ[/youtube]
 
today society has come down hard on youths fighting in school that translates in adult society ...the law will come down hard on you....and with everyone carrying cameras /videos on phone ,the law will come down hard on the attacker and with streaming vid or pics the is no fighting that evidence plus all the witnesses.
Defending family is one thing .... Defending yourself b/c someone called you a name is dumb to me
 
I respectfully disagree. BJJ is a ring discipline. Its emphasis on purposely taking a fight to the ground is a tremendously dangerous one in the real world where the opponent might have friends on the scene to help him out.

Make no mistake, once on the ground, you have to have an idea of what to do when you get there, but in a real fight the ground is the last place you want to spend any time, let alone on purpose.

BJJ, and judo, ju-jitsu, wraslin' etc., by themselves are not a complete answer to unarmed self defense. You need some sort of striking ability while on your feet because you can better make out the developing larger situation, even if poorly, or break contact while on your feet. You can do neither while trying to pretzel someone. The first indication that the bad guy has friends could very well be a boot to your ribs while you were "winning" on the ground.

What's amusing to me is that most of the KOs on crowdog's video rely upon Muay Thai techniques. However, even MT needs a ground compliment that the art mostly lacks.
 
Not entering in this debate, because I lack any kind of knowledge to back up my mouth, but Boats' point is what I thought about BJJ and a few others, and it seemed to me that while they are excellent arts in their own right, I am terrified of getting caught on the ground. If nothing else it would slow the process of getting the hell out of there.

Remember the point is to defend yourself/family and get the hell out of there.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top