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Bravo to MD for addressing the clip.
Also, thanks to everyone on BF and the MD boards for ranting about the issue and keeping the pressure on.
While I would much rather see a stamped Ti or steel clip, yes, the main issue is one of flexibility. Milled Ti clips are tough to get right. The new one definately looks like an improvement.

BTW, Pop’s Custom now has stamped Ti deep cary clips for the Falcon. I ordered one yesterday. Honestly it was a bit more than I wanted to pay, giving the cost of the knife. The Crux is definately worth it (for me, anyway).
 
4mer_FMF said:
Bravo to MD for addressing the clip.
Also, thanks to everyone on BF and the MD boards for ranting about the issue and keeping the pressure on.
While I would much rather see a stamped Ti or steel clip, yes, the main issue is one of flexibility. Milled Ti clips are tough to get right. The new one definately looks like an improvement.

BTW, Pop’s Custom now has stamped Ti deep cary clips for the Falcon. I ordered one yesterday. Honestly it was a bit more than I wanted to pay, giving the cost of the knife. The Crux is definately worth it (for me, anyway).
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I ordered one from Pop's...deep carry is good and I would rather pay for something functionally different as opposed to pay $15 for a redo of a bad design.
 
I have no experience with milled clips, so this is purely academic, but the new clip looks functionally identical to the original. Can someone chime in with how the redesign will fix any issues?
 
Hackenslash said:
Here's the official response from Massdrop concerning the Falcon/Crux clip. I think this is excellent customer service. Massdrop appears to be handling this issue the right way and I give them a thumbs-up! Jonas just posted the following:

"Hey everyone,
We wanted to provide some additional context to the conversation around the pocket clips on the Falcon (which is the same design as used on Crux).
We’ve been reading comments here in the discussion and monitoring the support requests for this drop closely, and have found the total number of clip-related claims is under 0.5% for 2500+ knives delivered.
While the data doesn’t show us there is a widespread problem with the design, we recognize that members were looking for a bit more flexibility.
So, based on your feedback, we’ll be taking the following actions:
1) Introduce a modified clip design on upcoming releases of Ferrum Forge Falcon, Crux, and any future models that are designed to be compatible with this clip style beginning in 2018.
2) Make replacement clips available for purchase, also beginning in early 2018. We hope to sell them for $20 or less, and to keep them in stock if there’s continued interest.
3) Provide a $5 credit toward the purchase of a replacement clip for anyone who purchased a Falcon or Crux with original clip design. Credits will be given automatically to any members who join the first drop for replacement clips, in the form of a refund issued when the drop ends.
Thanks to everyone for helping to make a great knife even better. We’ll send an email to everyone who’s purchased a Falcon when the updated clips are available. Here's a rough preview and comparison of the old/new designs:
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CC: (links removed) and I probably missed a couple more folks too, so feel free to tag a friend if you were chatting about clips and don't see them here."

Thank you, Massdrop!
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That's really funny cause on ff live stream just hours before MD made that post they said it wasn't going to happen lol.
 
W. Anderson said:
I have no experience with milled clips, so this is purely academic, but the new clip looks functionally identical to the original. Can someone chime in with how the redesign will fix any issues?
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If you look at the profile diagrams, you’ll notice that the present clips reach minimum thickness over a very small distance. All of the force from bending is concentrated over a that same small area as it’s essentially the only point of compliance.

The new clip has a longer distance of minimum thickness so the force should be spread over a larger area, lending itself to increased compliance—more springy.

In keeping the same general milled configuration, I would have also liked to see the clip lengthened a bit, increasing the compliance even more. Restating my comment a few posts above, the response speaks good things about MD customer service/CQI (:thumbsup::thumbsup:). Design/redesign aside, the replacement offer is a good move.
 
Mo2 said:
That's really funny cause on ff live stream just hours before MD made that post they said it wasn't going to happen lol.
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That’s a bit disappointing. Although I haven’t seen the vid, an experienced knife guy, much less a designer, should’ve recognized problems with the prototype clip immediately upon pocketing it.
 
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4mer_FMF said:
That’s a bit disappointing. Although I haven’t seen the vid, an experienced knife guy, much less a designer, should’ve recognized problems with the prototype clip immediately upon pocketing it.
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Agreed x1000!!! But more than one prototype costs money and I think they were trying to go low as can go.
 
I wonder if it would be more than .5% if folks like me weren't afraid of breaking them by trying to loosen them? Flat (metal) clips I am never worried about tweaking a bit but this one is so stiff it concerns me.

That new knife... ugh. The handle and blade are just not a match in style at all to me. Such a skinny handle with a big fat blade. Hard pass. Anyways I have my next couple of knives lined up, thinking Hogue X-1 and a Boker Exskeliber next.
 
My Crux showed up a couple days ago. Right out of the box, the texture drove me absolutely nuts. Like fingernails down a chalkboard kind of nuts. I took a Scotchbrite pad to it within the first hour. If that was the only issue with it, it would be a really great knife. But it also was difficult to manipulate the lock. Lock edge was a bit too sharp. The forward choil was odd shaped and cut my finger. And of course it had the same clip as the Falcon, with its documented issues.

A smart person would simply use and enjoy it as is. So I took it apart. I sanded the texture off the slabs. Did some random ano job (blue edges and distressed bronze on flats). Increased the lock access from front scale. Took the sharp edge off the lock. Reshaped the forward choil to be more like the Falcon.

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Much nicer, as I mentioned earlier I pretty much hate bead blast Ti finishes. If you look on my Falcon you can now see the milling lines from the CNC.

What did you use to open up access to the lock? I was thinking a dremel would work well, just that it would leave it shiny and the rest of my knife is more a distressed look.
 
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Kinda sucks we gotta modify them from the factory to be satisfied. Huge let down IMHO. But alas they tried to make an affordable knife maybe I shouldn't complain, but hopefully they see and make adjustments in future versions as beta testers figure out the issues on these early models.
 
I don’t have any complaints about the lockbar or the choil on my crux. I can see how some would find the choil less finger friendly though...personal preference I guess. Like someone said above, one of the cool things about these knives is they can provide a good canvas for home customization without a big investment up front...and less pressure to experiment or screw up.

bflying bflying , your choil mod does look pretty good!
 
I used a Dremel with sanding drum to open up the front slab for lock access. And if you don't like the look the sander left, those new Dremel fluffy pads can give a light brushed look to most hard metals.

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The for the blade choil, I used the 3/4" barrel sander on my belt sander. My belt sander quickly pops off to convert to a post (drum?) sander. But I was a little surprised by how easy and fast that sandpaper went through the blade steel. I was a prepared to burn up a drum, and need to go shopping for more. But it actually cut right in, way too fast. So wondered how hard the blades ended up. The steel cut MUCH easier than the Ti slabs. Maybe it's no biggie. But did raise my eyebrows.

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Anyone else receive their Crux? Massdrop is releasing another run, and I'm seriously considering getting one. Want to get the real deal from FF, but I'm broke since my last purchase...
 
EclipseSilver said:
Anyone else receive their Crux? Massdrop is releasing another run, and I'm seriously considering getting one. Want to get the real deal from FF, but I'm broke since my last purchase...
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MD is probably just offering extra stock from the same run at present. If you like the form factor, go for it. You’ll be hard pressed to do better for the price; just don’t expect the same level of detail and finish of ZT.

I’m planning on posting a review after a bit more carry, but who knows how long sale stock will last?
 
4mer_FMF said:
I REALLY like the fade on your Crux. How did you prep it? It looks polished at the butt but still blasted towards the pivot.
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The previous splatter finish I had it fairly polished. But this last ano session I did a bunch of experimenting. Used Whink Rust Remover to dissolve the anodizing probably a dozen times before I landed on something I liked (and was similar on both slabs). Each time seemed to leave the finish a bit more satin (matte) in texture. Visually it's more subdued, but is a nice texture to the touch. I think the Whink may have served as an acid etch prep.
 
4mer_FMF said:
I REALLY like the fade on your Crux. How did you prep it? It looks polished at the butt but still blasted towards the pivot.
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In the hour between the splatter finish, and the color landed on above, the front slab wore these colors and others. Not sure if buying the Whink was a good thing, because it's really fast and easy to strip the color. Made me even more OCD about color change.

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