Matt Lamey????????

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Here is an email I just got over this issue. Now I really know no one should ever bad mouth someone over a knife deal, especially if you are a moderator. Someone gets screwed over a knife deal and then someone gets pissed about him telling about it. Spark, you need to spank my butt. John you can kma.


It seems to me that the poster (and moderator) of this post is getting a little too far out of line...especially being in a position of moderator. As being in such a position, he has lost his ability to subjectively look at his own case, and seems to be "egging" on the situation. I think Matt Lamey's position on the Forums has been admirable...perhaps this moderator should remove the thorn out of his ass, before he steps on too many other people's toes.

Take care,
John Johnson
 
RGRAY, I'm learning something now about this forum. I thought good, bad, and ugly, was a place to post your gripes about knife related issues. Was this issue not really an issue? I guess you think it wasn't. I consider someones word/contract important. It's kinda funny how a simple complaint can turn out this way.
 
Tex has as much right to bring something like this to the forums as anyone else. Personally, I like to know when someone is having a problem getting a knife from a maker. That is something that is nice to know before you order a knife. It is nice to hear both sides of the story. That way you can make a better informed decision.

Though there are probably many who disagree with me, I do not feel that Tex did anything wrong. Just because he is a moderator does not mean that he does not have the same rights as any other member to complain about a situation he considers untenable.
 
Big Tex,

Perhaps you should call around to other makers who forge bowies and see what their waiting times are...I currently have an order with Robb Hudson, and it's been about a three year wait, and frankly, waiting five years wouldn't be too long of a wait. Give Ed Fowler a call, but I'd say you'd be waiting a little more then nineteen months!;) With other makers who aren't "big names", you may get your knife in a matter of weeks, but it's not going to be the same knife as the one you originally wanted from the first maker. Truth of the matter is, if you REALLY want a knife, then the wait is just that...a period of time that lapses from when you order it, to when you get it in your hands...some will be longer, some will be a shorter...it's all relevant.

Robb Hudson several years ago was involved in a serious car accident. As a result, his waiting times lengthened. Did some of his customers who had orders with him at the time bitch and moan at the increased times? Possibly, but some people fail to realize that life is not on a time schedule, and incidents and accidents can, and do, occur. Have you ever paid a bill late, or not been on time to work? If you have, then you, as well, have broken a contract. Granted, it's kind of apples to oranges, but to put it bluntly, crap happens, often at spectacular rates of speed. Tell us how YOU would have handled the situation...put someone else's shoes on your feet, and walk in them for awhile. Would you have been happy receiving a faulty blade that perhaps would have failed you? If Matt did not have the moral character that he does, then he could have sent you one of those blades, and perhaps you would have never have known it...or it could have failed you when your life was on the line. But he didn't, and let you know about what was happening. Matt WILL make things right. Being a one man show has it's severe drawbacks at times, and some of those times it's up to the customer to react in a business like manner, especially when the maker is being required by the customer to act in the same manner.

Bottom line...ask any maker (or, for that matter, any semi-custom knife company) if he's ever had problems delivering a knife over the course of their career. Chances are, you'd be surprised at some of the "bigness" of the makers. Talk to some of the long time customs collectors, and you'll realize there's much worse horror stories out there, both as far as as waiting times, and communication problems.

Take care,
John Johnson
 
Hmm....

Seems Big Tex just proved what I posted when I reported this to the "moderator". Step back, and take a deep breath. Is it really worth it???

Take care,
John Johnson
 
OK, let's let this thread die. I didn't get my bowie, never will, and I apoligize to John for my comment. We have better things to concentrate on, than knives and knife related issues.
 
And here is my final word on this thread. Why don't you cheapasses fork in the money and become a "gold member". Talk is cheap and Spark would like the business..........
 
Matt Lamey was very straighforward in my dealings with him and he makes a fine knife. He has gotten behind, admitted it, publically apologized for it and has promised to do do better. I think that is the proper course. If he does not quickly make things right this issue should be revisited.

Big Tex I agree with you in that there are MANY knifemakers who seem to be poor businessmen. I think treating your customers badly will eventually drive them away no matter how "good" the product is.

However, I think you have handled this poorly Big Tex. You have made bold proclamations about "contracts" and "the principle of the thing" and invited others with issues "to chime in" when it is quite clear you do not even want the knife anymore. If you don't want something why complain about the wait??? That is whining plain and simple.

You also whine that someone brought up that Matt has been activated for the Coast Guard by stating "Let's not bring Sept 11 into the equation. There's already too many problems being blamed on that."

For starters Matt did not present that as an excuse and if that is indeed the case (I dont know personally) the timing of your post is quite inopportune and continuing in your diatrabe when you have been informed the man has been called up to serve his country is a no-no in my book and reflects poorly on you.

In closing Big Tex I have indeed considered becoming a gold member here but it is the occasional intemperate remarks by various admins and moderators here that keep me from wanting to spend my money on such a thing. It would be a donation as I do not plan on selling things here and I am very selective in whom I choose to donate too.
 
I have to apologize to everyone for Big Tex's last post. He is a moderator here and he should know better ... it's certainly been explained to him enough times....

Bladeforums is a free website, it always will be a free website, and everyone is welcome to read and post here for free. If some members choose to pay for extra features or to contribute to help support the forums, that does not give them the right to call anybody names. If some members, and even one or two moderators, haven't got that through their heads yet it isn't because they haven't been told. Big Tex's remarks do not represent Bladeforums policy, and his feelings about basic members do not correspond to the Bladeforums administration's feelings.
 
Cougar, for your info, I have never had anything explained to me about being a moderator but I'm not a "super" moderator like yourself. If Spark desires, he can remove me from my high paying position. I'm gonna keep this issue on top for a long time. It really sucks when someone takes a stand and catches flak from Matt's favored customers. Bottom line-Lamey's business practices suck.

BTW, Cougar, are you a paying member?:D
 
R Gray, being a moderator you should know this is exactly the place to post a complaint like this.
All you guys that keep saying other makers have this amount of waiting time, and you waited whatever long, are missing the point. Big Tex was promised a delivery date. They had a verbal contract. I believe one of his main gripes is that when this verbal contract was broken, the maker didn't communicate with him. Matt pretty much posted that this was true and he apologized for it. Tex then posted that he was cancelling the order and was done with it. And it would have been if people hadn't kept posting and making lame excuses to which Tex has felt compelled to reply(as would I have). Obviously, Tex also has first hand knowledge of people ordering after him and getting their knives first. He hasn't named them because he doesn't want to drag them into this if they don't want to be involved. After all, they didn't do anything wrong. Whether your own dealing with Matt have been different than Tex's is not relevant to Tex's case. Matt admitted he was wrong, why are you still defending him? This thread should have died after Tex's reply to Matt. Matt himself stated that since he wanted to forge everything lately that D2 has taken a back seat. Think about that. He took an order for one thing but since he feels like forging, the order just has to wait. Next time you eat at a restaurant and order steak, see what you say if the waiter brings you a hamburger because the cook just felt like working with chopped meat that day. Poor business practice. Not very responsible.
The fact is that most of this probably could have been avoided if their was better communication and more straightforwardness by Matt. As he said, he only posted here cause it was his name being talked about.
Tex said his piece. Matt admitted he was wrong. Let's let it die.

Dave
 
Thanx Dave.

I guess my biggest problem here is what happens when someone complains about a knife deal and all of his or her buds come out and say how great he or she is.

If you were the one that got Matt's bowie in 2 months, that's great. If you had ordered one a year ago, you wouldn't think that was great. One ite that busted my chops got his knife pretty quick.

After more thought, I'll let this thread die if everyone else will.

If someone gets my bowie for $260, you got a bargain. Send me a pic.

And I do have a problem with folks that don't pay their way. If you're not a cheapass, I apoligize again. Damn, I try to complain about an issue and it goes to hell in a handbasket.
 
Originally posted by Big Tex
Hey Big Cat, I don't think I said anything bad enough for you to delete my thread, but you are "super".
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I hope it's clear to everyone that no thread has been deleted.

"pennypinchers" ... people that don't like to pay their way ...
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Spark is busy right now but he'll be responding today.
 
I sent the Big Cat an apology about the deletion of the thread. It didn't show up on my screen for some reason. Hey Coug, you didn't answer my question? Are you a paying member or a freebie moderator?
 
Originally posted by Big Tex
And here is my final word on this thread. Why don't you cheapasses fork in the money and become a "gold member". Talk is cheap and Spark would like the business..........
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Tex . . . you are out of line with this comment.:rolleyes:
I choose NOT to become a Gold Member as a matter of principle. And I deeply resent any implication that I'm somehow accepting a free ride. Far as I'm concerned, so long as you feel this way, you and the horse you rode in on can go straight to hell.
regards . . .
 
I've learned over the years, that cheapasses really resent being called that. I've got several friends that don't like to be called "cheap" but if the term fits, wear it.

These "basic" guys sure know how to run their jaws. It just doesn't run down to their pocket book. Now you have got me started. You will pay $300 and up for a knife and you won't pay Spark for this site. Kinda makes me wonder about your character.
 
I am not a "friend" of Matt Lamey. I bought one knife from him and the deal went pretty smooth. Don't plan on ordering another one at this time. My post is in response to what I perceived to be a rather petulant post by Big Tex.

Let me make this clear: I believe that Big Tex has a legitimate gripe and has every right to post it here. It is the way he did it that I have a problem with. Let me explain.

Posts in the GBU tend to fall into one of several categories to me:

1. Golly Gee posts: positive posts about trades etc. Boring to read but nice.

2. Jauxerman posts: :rolleyes:

3. I've been ripped off posts: Useful to know. "Beware Maker x or trader y" as they took my trade or money and did not deliver. This is stealing and the community should know about this. Primary purpose is to inform.

4. "Fighting words" posts. Range from griping for gripings sake to posts whose primary purpose is to harm the target (not warn).

Typical whine: "Look guys xyz.com took 3 whole days to deliver my knife to australia, I'm pissed and I am going to try to ruin its reputation."


Big Tex's post I feel falls into category 4 as I think his primary purpose was to bad mouth someone not to warn. He makes it clear that he no longer wants the knife but just wants to complain that he had to wait so long. He has lost NOTHING. He just wants to whine about his perceived injustice. Matt Lamey should be taken to task for delayed deliveries but this was handled in the wrong way. Communication seems to have been a problem here and I doubt it was a one sided issue.


In response to the "membership" issue; if joining a "club" gives you a sense of self worth Big Tex I'm pleased as punch for you.
 
So what you (BT) are saying is that you do not respect the request Spark made of us :rolleyes:

This forum would not be what it is without our Basic Members please ignore the rants they are not founded in logic.
 
I'm glad the bandaidman came to the plate. I'm not sure I agree which category I fit in. But, he was one of the guys that got a bowie in a timely manner. Is this thread going to end or not? I'm gonna keep it going if you guys want to.
 
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