Maxpedition's Mad Dog Knives knockoffs?!

Glocker199, don't intimate, spit it out. What's the problem with Willis? I've found him to be straightforward and honest in my dealings with him. Much like Kevin he speaks his mind, can be abrasive if you disagree and is not afraid to tell a bad customer to go elsewhere. That doesn't make him unethical.
 
Joshua J. said:
In my eyes Maxpedition gains respect out of the situation.
I can only hope they come to a licensing situation rather than just scrapping the whole project.
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I agree. It takes a lot of stupidity to knock off a "good friend's" life's work. It also takes a lot of balls to admit that you were that stupid and call of a project of that scale. I hope they come to a gentleman's agreement that benefits both parties.
 
McClung is still around? I thought that he had died a couple years ago.

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As far as the "cliff Stamp" thing....Who is "cliff Stamp"? Do you see him posting or arguing against Mad Dog knives here? If he did in the past, how long ago was it?
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In about 1998, Cliff was reviewing a TUSK that catastrophically failed, McClung responded poorly, and a crapstorm ensued.
 
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Bugout Bill said:
McClung is still around? I thought that he had died a couple years ago.




In about 1998, Cliff was reviewing a TUSK that catastrophically failed, McClung responded poorly, and a crapstorm ensued.
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And as many tales go there was some confusion as to the status of the knife before it was tested, what was done to correct it and the validity of the tests being performed. Needless to say I still think Mad Dog makes a damn fine knife and anyone who wants to dispose of them for a good price is welcome to contact me. :D
 
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emptyglass said:
Hello:

It's a betrayal by Tim Tang on his former friend Kevin McClung. Tim created and released the project without Kevin's permission or knowledge. All of my Maxpedition gear is now given away or thrown out. I'll never recommend Maxpedition to anyone again. I've stopped being lazy and have replaced all my work gear with Original SOE. My bags will be replaced with GoRuck. I stand with Kevin McClung, Mad Dog Knives and all small business owners and custom knife makers who take pride in craftsmanship, doing things their own way and having the freedom from having your life's work knocked off in a cheap Production line copy by a person who treats you like family one day as stabs you in the back with said copy the next.
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May I ask how long you've worked for Mad Dog? I mean, really? You threw away your personal property? What sense does that even make? You paid for it, Maxpedition already has your money. It's not like each Maxpedition product has a special sensor in it, and there's a control board at the Maxpedition factory that lights up: "ALERT, Emptyglass threw his Maxpedition products into the trash! ALERT!"

I don't get it. And as someone else already observed, this seems really personal to you for some reason.
 
emptyglass said:
And as many tales go there was some confusion as to the status of the knife before it was tested, what was done to correct it and the validity of the tests being performed. Needless to say I still think Mad Dog makes a damn fine knife and anyone who wants to dispose of them for a good price is welcome to contact me. :D
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There wasn't confustion, there was McClung spinning odd tails of counterfeit knives and x-rays, and then deleting posts altogether.
 
Interesting. Anyone notice how the OP's only two posts at this moment are the first post in this thread and a reply? Wonder if there's an agenda - most people don't usually register to a forum to introduce a controversial topic or call another party out.
 
Who cares really. Don't care for either individuals products nor the person themselves. McClung's from past bravado that proved unfounded and Tang's cause I don't think this is the first time he's done something like this. So you create(TB) create an account to stir the pot or get sympathy or whatever? Don't get it. Many many other knives out there that are just as good for a tenth the price and without the wait. Just look at the makers forum here. Give it all a rest.
 
It's a matter of principles and ethics. I have them.

Yeah, he has my money. Yeah I don't get the benefit of using his crappy gear anymore. Yeah, in pure dollars and cents I lost a few bucks. However, I like buying the best kit I can trust to keep myself safe and secure. I like supporting small companies (especially US ones) that do exceptional work. I make an effort to stand behind custom knife makers whose work (and personality) I like and use regularly. Too often people ignore a wrongdoing and just write it off as "business" or "the way of the world." If I have to explain to you why stealing your friend's life's work of custom made knives and turning out some cheap Chinese copies that you claim are your ideas but "influenced" or "inspired" by said friend is wrong and not worth supporting, then you simply wouldn't understand.

I like Mad Dog Knives, I own and use them. I like Kevin McClung (and other talented knife makers like him). I don't like people who blatantly take the work and ideas of others without their permission and claim them as their own. That's all and I stand by those I support publicly.

I don't work for Mad Dog Knives. I find it strange that some are questioning my motives when if the names were swapped out with another (Strider, Busse, Emerson, etc...) there would most likely be little question as to why someone might publicly state that this is simply wrong. What surprises me is how many people seem to have it out for Mad Dog Knives and Kevin personally, but haven't bothered to either use or buy one of his blades or interact with him. A lot of minds seem made up before either of those things have been done.

Quiet said:
May I ask how long you've worked for Mad Dog? I mean, really? You threw away your personal property? What sense does that even make? You paid for it, Maxpedition already has your money. It's not like each Maxpedition product has a special sensor in it, and there's a control board at the Maxpedition factory that lights up: "ALERT, Emptyglass threw his Maxpedition products into the trash! ALERT!"

I don't get it. And as someone else already observed, this seems really personal to you for some reason.
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emptyglass said:
It's a matter of principles and ethics. I have them.

Yeah, he has my money. Yeah I don't get the benefit of using his crappy gear anymore. Yeah, in pure dollars and cents I lost a few bucks. However, I like buying the best kit I can trust to keep myself safe and secure. I like supporting small companies (especially US ones) that do exceptional work. I make an effort to stand behind custom knife makers whose work (and personality) I like and use regularly. Too often people ignore a wrongdoing and just write it off as "business" or "the way of the world." If I have to explain to you why stealing your friend's life's work of custom made knives and turning out some cheap Chinese copies that you claim are your ideas but "influenced" or "inspired" by said friend is wrong and not worth supporting, then you simply wouldn't understand.

I like Mad Dog Knives, I own and use them. I like Kevin McClung (and other talented knife makers like him). I don't like people who blatantly take the work and ideas of others without their permission and claim them as their own. That's all and I stand by those I support publicly.

I don't work for Mad Dog Knives. I find it strange that some are questioning my motives when if the names were swapped out with another (Strider, Busse, Emerson, etc...) there would most likely be little question as to why someone might publicly state that this is simply wrong. What surprises me is how many people seem to have it out for Mad Dog Knives and Kevin personally, but haven't bothered to either use or buy one of his blades or interact with him. A lot of minds seem made up before either of those things have been done.
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People are questioning your motives because of your extremely emotional hyperbole you've displayed here. "OMG I'm just so disgusted that I totally threw away all my Maxpedition gear, that's a REAL display of ethics and principles!"

Yeah, no. It's an overly unbalanced emotional outburst over a situation that you aren't involved in, and that had nothing to do with you. You insinuating yourself into this situation is puzzling and bizarre, to be frank. It has nothing to do with ethics or principles, though I did enjoy your attempted inference that since I obviously don't share your view of this situation and am questioning your motives, I must not have them. Well done, guy. :rolleyes:

Knife companies take design cues from each other all the time. Do you throw away all of that company's gear you own in disgust each time that happens? If so, let me know, so I can come score some free stuff from your trash can.

Also, that said, you're definitely free to get as worked up as you'd like, under the guise that you're somehow demonstrating superior moral fortitude. You have that right. Just don't be surprised when some of us exercise our rights to call you on it.
 
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Lol. I made no inference toward you or anyone else. Your sensitivity is showing which is usually a sign I might have touched a nerve. You're making this personal for no reason. Why?

Also your reading is weak. I stated: "All of my Maxpedition gear is now given away or thrown out." Since you seen to have a problem with it: 2 versipacks, 2 octopod knife cases, a key fob, a phone case, and some other stuff were sent to a guy on another forum because he asked for them. One phone case with a broken clip was tossed.

As a patron of Mad Dog Knives I think it's important to take a public stand when I think a small American business is a.) getting the shaft from a larger one and b.) a custom maker that I like is getting stabbed in the back by a supposed friend. I think that's worth some public support, don't you? I'm just willing to put forth some actual effort and as I said, put my money where my mouth is, and I did. If you don't like that, then I think I'm not the one with the problem. As for "superior moral fortitude", yeah, I think mine is superior to many. So far the only one getting emotional here is you Quiet.
 
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emptyglass said:
Lol. I made no inference toward you or anyone else. Your sensitivity is showing which is usually a sign I might have touched a nerve. You're making this personal for no reason. Why?

As a patron of Mad Dog Knives I think it's important to take a public stand when I think a small American business is a.) getting the shaft from a larger one and b.) a custom maker that I like is getting stabbed in the back by a supposed friend. I think that's worth some public support, don't you? I'm just willing to put forth some actual effort and as I said, put my money where my mouth is, and I did. If you don't like that, then I think I'm not the one with the problem. As for "superior moral fortitude", yeah, I think mine is superior to many.
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I'm not "making this personal". I think you've made it personal enough by posting up emotional outrage over a company's actions that have nothing to do with you (which is what I'm poking fun at). Also, the bolded? Exactly what I'm talking about. People that have to toot their own horn, usually do so because no one else is.

I mean, what effort are you talking about? Are you serious? You threw away some products you'd paid for. Wow, what'd that take? Like three seconds? Some effort. That's not "putting your money where your mouth is". Sending money to Mad Dog to help them hire a lawyer, that would be putting your money where your mouth is. Buying a ton of extra Mad Dog products and giving them away so that others know how good they are, that's putting your money where your mouth is.

So, no. I don't think like you do. When I start using terms like "put my money where my mouth is" or "I put forth actual effort", I actually do those things. I don't throw away some goods I already purchased and then post up on a forum an emotional statement that I won't buy a company's goods anymore and act like I'm personally offended at their actions.

I have to wonder how much good you could do in the world with your overly emotional zeal if you put your efforts into something that actually mattered or accomplished anything. Wouldn't that be something. At the very least you'd be putting in some actual actual effort, and not just what you consider actual effort. :thumbup:
 
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Geez you are a sensitive pony and you are still not reading what I am actually saying. I took the Maxpedition gear, packed it up, mailed it to another person I don't know who wanted it from another forum. That took some effort. I was a patron of both companies. Therefore I have a vested interest in the behavior of both. I spent money with both. You obviously are having trouble understanding the point. Let me see if this helps. <Cartman megaphone on>I THINK THE OWNER OF MAXPEDITION DID A DICK MOVE. I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD CONSIDER THIS IF THEY LIKE SUPPORTING SMALL CUSTOM KNIFE MAKERS LIKE MAD DOG. THERE ARE OTHER US-MADE BAG MANUFACTURERS WHO MIGHT BE MORE DESERVING OF YOUR MONEY THAN RELABELED CHINESE-MADE MAGFORCE BAGS.<Cartman megaphone off>. If you're unfamiliar with the reference, please check this YouTube video for help: http://youtu.be/bqlplW3iYB0
 
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I am just one man, one patron, one gear Whore and I will not use Maxpedition period! Not even if it was given to me by Tang himself. I find maxpedition's designs boring and tired and too uncomfortable to use. They need a new bag of tricks or better yet go back to China and sell their schiznit to Walmart cause they sure will buy it! I am a Tactical Tailor fan myself. That's my two cents worth I guess. Goodnight gentle folk.
 
I use a lot of TT stuff myself. Their Removeable Operator Pack is going to be my replacement emergency trauma trunk bag. Should have gone with them in the first place.

ron finkbeiner jr said:
I am just one man, one patron, one gear Whore and I will not use Maxpedition period! Not even if it was given to me by Tang himself. I find maxpedition's designs boring and tired and too uncomfortable to use. They need a new bag of tricks or better yet go back to China and sell their schiznit to Walmart cause they sure will buy it! I am a Tactical Tailor fan myself. That's my two cents worth I guess. Goodnight gentle folk.
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