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How do you KNOW that the OP of the other thread is telling the whole story? Elmax is tougher than 154cm even at higher hardness. How do you KNOW that elmax blade didn't have an inclusion?

Educate your self on different steels, don't bury your head in the sand of ignorance. There are tougher stainless than 154cm that out perform it in every way. And remember ANY steel can break under the right circumstances. As some very notable makers will say "s*** happens".

Aw gee, it's you again...why are you so angry and stalking all my posts? Do you get some sort of vicarious pleasure in your failure to marginalize everything I say, or is there something else going on upstairs? Save your poorly disguised personal attacks for the whine and cheese forum....where you belong. :rolleyes:
 
Nice, can't answer the questions. I thought so thanks.
 
Awesome, another shit poster from general knife discussion to add to the ignore list.
 
Nice, can't answer the questions. I thought so thanks.

I have had a good bit of experience with many so-called "super" steels. For a real world EDC user (tending towards hard user), I'll take 154cm all day long. I also am fine with S30v so long as the HT isn't too high. I want to have a durable blade that isn't too difficult to sharpen with every day readily available materials. As for Elmax, sorry but color me unimpressed.
 
Meh....exogenous inclusions ie: impurities formed within the steel during the steel making process, it happens no matter how superb your QC and test equipment is. As for the picture of the karambit type blade with the tip broken, well, that doesn't surprise me. If you watched the videos, it is apparent that the CQC-7 was subjected to far greater abuses then the OP of the other thread subjected his knife to, so I'm going with contaminated steel as the culprit.

I like Emerson and I like 154CM. But don't you think it's a bit of a stretch to immediately write off the damage due to faults in the manufacture of the steel?

The CQC15 is V ground and comes to a pretty acute tip, so it may have less tip strength than other EKI models. That's not a fault of the design, but it is a tradeoff at the expense of sheer strength. I'm sure that if he had stabbed a 6 or a 7 in a pallet the same way, it wouldn't have had the same result.
 
The ZT IS an Emerson.

It's Ernie's design, and he approved the prototypes and the production pieces.

Just as Ernie does not make all the knives that come out of his shop/factory, he does not make the ones that come out of Tualatin, but they all have his stamp of approval.

I only have the information from that other thread that the poster "dropped the knife into a pallet" and it broke.

If someone can make a determination of the distribution of carbides, grain structure, martensitic content etc of the steel in the knife from that little bit of information, I am impressed.

I don't think the thinner, fine point on the ZT knives compare with the CQC tantos, but I only have one old CQC-7 that I had reground to a spanto.

I don't think I could have broken the tip on that original blade through any typical knife tasks, and I would be willing to say if I had dropped THAT knife into a pallet from, say, waist high, it would not have broken the tip.

If I HAD done so, it would have been an accident, not something I intentionally did to abuse the knife.

Like Morrow said, fine tips will break if you try to break them.

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I get some of you are die hard fans, but that doesnt make facts any different.

There ARE better steels that out perform 154cm in toughness. Refuting the truth doesnt change it. Discounting an entire steel because one person posted a "story" that can't be verified is plain silly.

Coming in to a thread with " it wouldn't have broke if it was an Emerson" is idiotic and uninformed at best. Leave fantasy land and come back to earth and realize ANY steel can have a problem ESPECIALLY production knives. Ignorance is ramped help stop it not condone it. Funny how dude can't answer the questions and immediately refuted the Emerson broken tip but believed some random unverified story about elmax.

You don't like elmax? Fine but don't dupe yourselves into believing its inferior to 154cm.

Oh an to ibutt and drfrog good riddens , thanks for not viewing my post!!

I have had a good bit of experience with many so-called "super" steels. For a real world EDC user (tending towards hard user), I'll take 154cm all day long. I also am fine with S30v so long as the HT isn't too high. I want to have a durable blade that isn't too difficult to sharpen with every day readily available materials. As for Elmax, sorry but color me unimpressed.
 
The ZT IS an Emerson.

It's Ernie's design, and he approved the prototypes and the production pieces.

Just as Ernie does not make all the knives that come out of his shop/factory, he does not make the ones that come out of Tualatin, but they all have his stamp of approval.

by no means am I trying to bicker with you, as im no expert concerning Emersons, but I have to ask....would you consider the Kershaw/Emerson knives an Emerson as well?
 
Did Ernest Emerson design them? If so I don't see how there not Emersons. Benchmade made Emersons aren't those Emersons? I think so.
by no means am I trying to bicker with you, as im no expert concerning Emersons, but I have to ask....would you consider the Kershaw/Emerson knives an Emerson as well?
 
Did Ernest Emerson design them? If so I don't see how there not Emersons. Benchmade made Emersons aren't those Emersons? I think so.

They're not Emersons. The grind is different, the steel is different, the heat treat is different. They are his designs.
 
Did Ernest Emerson design them? If so I don't see how there not Emersons. Benchmade made Emersons aren't those Emersons? I think so.

I guess the part that has me on the fence is the warranty. if I had issues with the ZT collaborations (or Kershaw for that matter) id send it back to the manufacturer, not the designer...correct? if so, in my eyes that makes the 620 a ZT knife designed my Mr Emerson, not an Emerson knife.
 
Its kinda grey, zt is the company who builds the knife but only to Emersons exact specifications. I guess I consider zt like the printer for Emerson's thought so to me its still an Emerson knife.
I guess the part that has me on the fence is the warranty. if I had issues with the ZT collaborations (or Kershaw for that matter) id send it back to the manufacturer, not the designer...correct? if so, in my eyes that makes the 620 a ZT knife designed my Mr Emerson, not an Emerson knife.
 
Its kinda grey, zt is the company who builds the knife but only to Emersons exact specifications. I guess I consider zt like the printer for Emerson's thought so to me its still an Emerson knife.

Grey? The Kershaw/ZT Emerson collabs are KAI knives. There is no grey area.
 
Interesting I thought Emerson had a little something to do with those. Being he stuck his name on the line. Kai builds them he designed them. There Ernest Emerson's brainchild not kai.
Grey? The Kershaw/ZT Emerson collabs are KAI knives. There is no grey area.
 
Interesting I thought Emerson had a little something to do with those. Being he stuck his name on the line. Kai builds them he designed them. There Ernest Emerson's brainchild not kai.


You mean like the many Kershaw Galyeans, Ken Onions & Hinderers I now have? Can I sell my ZT550 as a Hinderer? How about my Spyderco Fred Perrins & Bob Lums? Buck Mayos, anyone?
You can argue semantics all you want, if you want a bottom line to your opinion, try sending your Kershaw/Emerson collab to EKI for repair.
 
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