MAYOSIMBA Thift,Fraud

[Lapedog]

I certainly could be wrong, since he does use strange math, but I think he may have already taken the $275(maybe $275, maybe some other number, but leaving $50) from his account leaving $50, so when PP removed $275 he was -$225. PP does all sorts of weird things with accounts, so without some documentation it is hard to guess what is going on, if anything. It would be strange if it was related to a Mayo account since the buyers correct user name is Moyosimba not Mayosimba as the title says.

I'll add for those that may not have read every post-He did get the money from Moyosimba, but claims PP latter took back the $275-he says because Moyosimba hacked someone's account to pay him. He hasn't tried or been able to show any proof of this claim.

and Moyosimba has not put in any effort to help clear this up either-as a buyer I want and expect the seller to get paid properly. If anything screwy has happened to that payment I am going to want to know what is going on and get it fixed, even if it is due to no fault of my own.

This thread has already hacked my brain.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

This thread has already hacked my brain.

I'm "Worn"

 

[katanas]

This thread is "worn". Ding, Dong the thread is dead.

 

[KELAMA]

short story,he bought a knife from me for $275 ,but he hacked a PayPal account and paid me then PayPal refunded the original owner of the account.and they took the money from me.so I’m out $275 knife and $275 cash.

Aren't you out a $275 knife only,not that that isn't enough. The $275 Cash was the money paid for the knife that was refunded.

The people he ripped off ,got there monu back from me,so $275 knife+ $275 refund out $550

I really don't understand your math. You sold a knife and got $275 for it. The person who actually owned the account got returned that $275. You are only out the knife unless you had to throw in another $275 out of your pocket on top of the returned money.

Your math is painful to follow. If you had $50 in your Paypal account and then received $275 from Mayosimba, your balance would be $325. If that gets reversed for some mysterious reason, the balance would revert to $50, not -$225.00.n2s

I certainly could be wrong, since he does use strange math, but I think he may have already taken the $275 from his account leaving $50, so when PP removed $275 he was -$225. PP does all sorts of weird things with accounts, so without some documentation it is hard to guess what is going on, if anything. It would be strange if it was related to a Mayo account since the buyers correct user name is Moyosimba not Mayosimba as the title says.

I'm "Worn"

I have to digress: This is a GREAT thread. It's why I come and spend hours in GB&U....

Not because of the OP and recipient's futile 'case', but because of the hilarity of the always-vigilant BF members comments in return.

There are some pretty sharp knives in this drawer.

^ And a couple of, not so sharp one's!

It would be so nice, if one these 2 people could string together a coherent sentence, and update this thread with a positive update!

 

[Thomas Linton]

Payment was attempted as F&F when it's a sale. PP is not required to send the money if they, PP, figure out that it is a fraudulent
F&F.

TOS:
"This user agreement is a contract between you and PayPal, Inc. that governs your use of your PayPal account and the PayPal services.
. . .
By opening and using a PayPal account, you agree to comply with all of the terms and conditions in this user agreement, so please read all of the terms and conditions carefully.
. . .
You can also use the send money feature in your PayPal account to pay for good or services. You will not be charged for sending money to purchase goods or services as long as you choose the “send money to pay for goods and services” feature in your PayPal account. In that case, the seller selling the goods or services pays the fees. You may not use the 'send money to a friend or family member' feature in your PayPal account when you are paying for goods and services." [emphasis added]
. . .
If you use your PayPal account to receive payments for the sale of goods and services or accept donations, you must not ask your buyer to send you money using the 'send money to a friend or family member.'” . . .

Breach of contract on one side generally ends the duty to perform on the other side.

 

[stonesell]

I think that the commonly accepted slang expression for the illegal use of PayPal F&F is “Thift,Fraud”, as stated in the title of this thread.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Really? "thift"? I thought that was investing or saving money you get by stealing.

 

[Monofletch]

If you guys remember anything I post about the USPS please, please, PLEASE remember this.......


USPS Package Intercept
What It Is
USPS Package Intercept® lets you redirect a domestic shipment that hasn’t been delivered or released for delivery. It’s available for packages, letters, and flats with a tracking or extra services barcode.


You can also stop mail and packages at a Post Office™ as a Hold For Pickup or send them to a different domestic address. You can even request to have them redirected as Priority Mail® back to your address.

It isn’t free though.

 

[knarfeng]

What proof do you want?
I was just telling other members that’s it
What would you do you have 50 in your pp account then I’m -$225 negative,then I called PayPal and they figured out that that payment was hacked from another pp member,and the name that sent the money was mayo,so what else do you want?call PayPal and let them tell you what they told me.

Your math is painful to follow. If you had $50 in your Paypal account and then received $275 from Mayosimba, your balance would be $325. If that gets reversed for some mysterious reason, the balance would revert to $50, not -$225.00.

n2s

Great observation! This leads me to believe that it may have been someone other than Mayosimba, who’s payment got reversed.
Looking at the postings of the OP, he’s been listing a huge amount of knives and other items on bladeforums, and almost appears to be some kind of dealer.
If he has been asking for PayPal F&F from all of those buyers, it could have been any one of them, that perhaps used a stolen credit card.

This may be the answer to the mystery.

OP, is it possible a different transaction was reversed?

 

[katanas]

Insert "Dragnet" theme. Dan da dahn da, dan da dahn da daaa! Finally, a possible definitive answer (though, in all fairness, mentioned earlier). I doubt the forthcoming of a response, and still feel "Ding, Dong the thread is dead", we shall see, "The Shadow (perhaps soon knarfeng) knows".

 

[Thomas Linton]

I was working Day Watch out of Auto Thift . . . .

 

[JJHollowman]

I was working Day Watch out of Auto Thift . . . .

This is the Forum. A young man had been hit and run for some cash, and we had to try to solve the case.

"(knock knock)..yes, Ma'am. We're here to solve this case. Cops? no Ma'am- this is much more serious than police work..we're knife enthusiasts."

 

[Peter Hartwig]

There are a number of puzzling things in the thread, but one that stands out to me is that Moyosimba decided to leave this cloud of doubt over his reputation. Is It likely he is guilty of what he has been accused of, no, but it didn't seem likely in the other cases where a member in good standing went rogue either. In those cases the member also tried to hide behind their record. A few voluntary responses (what we got out of him had to be dragged), and maybe a call to PP and a very little documentation from PP could have lifted all doubt. His attitude in general has not done him any good, but I can't help but think-What if it is true. I didn't think any of the others would prove true either.
Real bad move on his part

 

[katanas]

True, but doesn't matter Peter; 2 to ignore.

 

[Monofletch]

 

[stonesell]

Moyosimba may feel that he is beyond reproach, and does not need to prove anything. While some of us forum members like facts, documentation, and participation in solving transaction issues, it’s highly likely that some people are reluctant to get further involved in a public scrutiny.
He may have security concerns, and chooses to remain somewhat private. It is unfortunate, since this can make members hesitant to trust him, but it’s his choice. It may be a cultural thing with him, but doesn’t prove that he is dishonest.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

True, but doesn't matter Peter; 2 to ignore.

To me or you no, but it could make a difference to him. It was just a last nudge to see if he wanted to be smart. It took some time to build up that reputation he hides behind. I hate to see anyone completely throw it away, when the whole problem is likely a mistake of some sort.
It's a little frustrating to see a problem so easy to clear up,not be cleared up. But as you have said it is time to put this one to rest if the main players are done.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

Moyosimba may feel that he is beyond reproach, and does not need to prove anything. While some of us forum members like facts, documentation, and participation in solving transaction issues, it’s highly likely that some people are reluctant to get further involved in a public scrutiny.
He may have security concerns, and chooses to remain somewhat private. It is unfortunate, since this can make members hesitant to trust him, but it’s his choice. It may be a cultural thing with him, but doesn’t prove that he is dishonest.

I certainly understand that, and I wouldn't care to be dragged into something like this either, but a reputation is worth fighting for IMO. Like it or not, right or wrong his has been tarnished, if he doesn't do something about it. He doesn't have to be happy about it. I sure wouldn't.
It is very unlikely he is guilty of anything but pride, but I have been fooled before.

 

[madcap_magician]

I certainly understand that, and I wouldn't care to be dragged into something like this either, but a reputation is worth fighting for IMO. Like it or not, right or wrong his has been tarnished, if he doesn't do something about it. He doesn't have to be happy about it. I sure wouldn't.
It is very unlikely he is guilty of anything but pride, but I have been fooled before.

Well, he does have a reputation on the forum, he has a reputation of being someone who's only here to buy and sell knives, which is why I had no idea who he was.

 

[stonesell]

I certainly understand that, and I wouldn't care to be dragged into something like this either, but a reputation is worth fighting for IMO. Like it or not, right or wrong his has been tarnished, if he doesn't do something about it. He doesn't have to be happy about it. I sure wouldn't.
It is very unlikely he is guilty of anything but pride, but I have been fooled before.

He’s not really hiding either; it was easy to find his address, and it’s a nice house and neighborhood. I grew up on the South Side of Chicago, and know the suburb areas.
In my opinion, he doesn’t fit the profile of a thief. His forum profile says that he is a contractor, and he seems to have money.
Most of the internet knife thieves are young immature, and often White Trash types, which he is not.
I hope that this gets resolved, and that he can keep his great reputation, and perhaps have the courage to share some further information with us.