Me-109 or Spitfire?

Are we talking coolest plane?
Horton HO-IX and the American XB-35, both of which were the ancestors of the B-2 stealth bomber.
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And my favorite (next to the ME262) the HE-162. It was a brilliant design and would have kicked major A$$ given more development time and materials.
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OK, coolest isn't the best word for the '17.

favorite, most pleasing to the eye, I don't know. Something about those '17s.

favorite plane ever.

:D

Tom
 
And my favorite (next to the ME262) the HE-162. It was a brilliant design and would have kicked major A$$ given more development time and materials.
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Canadian Aviation Museum in Ottawa has a Salamander... I've spent a lot of time looking at that bad boy (lived a five-minute walk away). Very cool. Very tiny.
 
SPITFIRE! The name says it all fellas. A great engine, the Rolls Royce Merlin, is indeed the best sounding engine ever built. I was listening to several last week at the AFB where I work. They flew all week with current AF inventory to prepare for the upcoming airshow season.
The pilot, being the key to any aerial combat, could certainly feel confident behind such a piece of machinery. If only the P-51 H had evolved and I had one!
 
Sever, you must be at Davis-Monthan. We were stationed there 62-64.
As a boy of 5-7, my Dad would take us through the "Bone Yard" on weekends, if we were good all week. I crawled through alot of the WW2 inventory, I really remember the B-25, the B-17's, and B-29's. Dad was an instructor in 17's and flew 29's also.
He retired as a Master Flight Surgeon in B-52's.
One of the the biggest disappointments of my life is being too color-blind to pass military flying physicals.

Mark
 
Spitfire! One of the most beautiful warplanes ever built.
I have other favorites, but am sticking to the OP's topic.

--Mike L.
 
Since we've gone a bit astray from the original question.

Good things also need to be said for

P-40's ...Something sorta cool about a P-40 in full Flying Tigers regalia.

B-24's and Lancasters also have their appeal...Lancasters earned a special spot after watching and reading The Dambusters.
 
Gentlemen---When I posted my answer, the trivia game is over, on my end. But please continue! This thread has been interesting. Thank you.
 
:thumbup: on the P40. I also have a soft spot for the Devastator, and the Brewster Buffalo. underdogs, outmoded, but valorous men flew them, sometimes to good effect against great odds. Same for the P40, but it was not outmoded!

Tom
 
Or the brave sort who flew the P-26...against Zeros no less.

The Ragged Rugged Warriors by Martin Caidin was one of my faves growing up.
 
I grew up in Mobile, Alabama, and would get over to the Battleship Alabama fairly frequently. I loved the B-25 there. :)
 
Severe limitations? They were able to fly higher than other planes. When an aerial engagement starts, the plane with more altitude usually wins.
(Altitude=energy)

They flew higher than some, not all -- if we're comparing models of the same year. If you're comparing a latewar 109 with something from earlier in the war, its performance will of course appear better. The only folks who built planes that had consistently low operating envelopes were the Russians, as the air war on the eastern front seldom went anywhere near the 109's maximum altitude...which meant that in that case, the compromises made in the 109's design to get it flying high were of no value at all.

(Interestingly enough, the Russians respected the 109 for its agility and scoffed the FW-190, while western pilots had pretty much the opposite opinion in most cases. One of the reasons why I enjoy these discussions are that there are no correct answers.)

Engine stalls when diving will kill you if you are trying to extend from an enemy plane. (a classic defense - hit the deck and try to outrun him)
High-speed tactics are pretty much all anybody uses now, because they'd black out otherwise.
Nobody flies the sopwith camel anymore..

Simply pushing the stick forward hard would result in a dive and possibly stall a carburetted engine. Performing a split S would get the plane diving more quickly, vastly complicate accurate shooting by the attacker, change direction, and not stall the engine. The split S is still considered to be a useful maneuver for disengaging today.

Looking over the next generation of fighter aircraft in development or recently completed, we see maximum speeds no faster (and in some cases slower than) what came before, but they all seem to feature thrust vectoring, canards, or both -- developments useful primarily for low speed maneuverability. Someone seems to think this is important.
 
"Performing a split S" Yes, this was a German tactic!
Canards for low speed? I was under the impression that canards improved supersonic handling...
 
"Performing a split S" Yes, this was a German tactic!
Canards for low speed? I was under the impression that canards improved supersonic handling...

Think maybe he's talking about the self-actuating flaps which extended and retracted according to speed/angle-of-attack? Can't remember all the stuff I pored over as a kid. World War II was my obsession for many years.

Interesting to note that the Russians also loved the Bell P-39, of which American pilots had a very low opinion. Shoot, they even liked the non-turbocharged versions. I remember thinking it was completely bizarre that Oldsmobile produced the original 37mm cannon for it and it had very little ammo capacity. Subsequent models were equipped with a 20mm with more ammo.

Regards,

Dave
 
DIJ, the A-12 you referred to at Alliance is a model/mockup. Then Sec of Defence, Cheney cancelled that program early in 1991 and sent a bunch of us assemblers to the street from what was then General Dynamics. It sat out in the weather in a vacant lot at GD/Lockheed Fort Worth for several years while several people were hashing out what to do with it and the last B-36, among other old planes being stored at this facility.
 
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