Metallurgy sub-forum needed

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I wouldn't mind a separate STORAGE area for the metallurgy facts as long as the discussions stayed here. A lot of of what we discuss is more the science of steel and how to make a knife and the related equipment. Maybe what we really need is a sub-forum for the art part. There we could talk about lines and flow. Material combinations, textures and the like. I think Tia would make a great mod for such a sub-forum and could also be a great contributor if he chose to be.
 
I really don’t see how art and science can be brought together effectively, without first understanding the differences between the two. It would be like painting without distinguishing between colors… you would just wind up with mud.
 
ib2v4u, I appreciate that, but I don’t see how you can talk about art without talking about process, or how you can talk about process with understanding what you are doing and why.

I do think that “recipes” have there place whether heat treating a blade, baking a pie or mixing colors. You start by following a recipe, then start tweaking it until it suits your taste.

I think it would basically be the same thing with a more simplified version of the science.

We also need to understand that there are differences between art, aesthetics and design. Teaching these things usually involves critique, which may not be very popular on a public forum such as this,… and is also very subjective.

Interesting idea though…

(I got a bit hot under the collar yesterday, but mostly due to things said on other threads. Sorry if I hit this topic from the wrong angle folks.)
 
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Western mind always does this, separates things from another, categorizes them, names them. We don't have to consider the knives separately; scientific or artistic. Every beings are whole, if you look at one part of it you can't see the whole picture. You don't have to know what science or art is, if you HT your steel perfect, if you make a knife from that steel which is functional and the shape, texture, lines are in harmony, pleasing to eye, it is a perfect knife thats all. I totally disagree to try to define things like "art in knife making should be blah blah", "science of knife making ... "... This is a craft all combined. One is missing, result is just junk....
 
galadduin said:
Western mind always does this, separates things from another, categorizes them, names them. We don't have to consider the knives separately; scientific or artistic. Every beings are whole, if you look at one part of it you can't see the whole picture. You don't have to know what science or art is, if you HT your steel perfect, if you make a knife from that steel which is functional and the shape, texture, lines are in harmony, pleasing to eye, it is a perfect knife thats all. I totally disagree to try to define things like "art in knife making should be blah blah", "science of knife making ... "... This is a craft all combined. One is missing, result is just junk....
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Balance is very important... but in order to balance things into a unified whole you need to understand the differences and the palette you are working with, and give it all some thought. IMO :)
 
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NickWheeler said:
ABSOLUTELY NOT.

One of the things I like about Bladeforums best is that I can see everything I want by looking at shoptalk, customs, and maker supplies.

This format has been working for several years now.

There are plenty of other forums a person can go visit if they want a different format. Unless of course, they made such an ass of themselves that they were banned from other forums.
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I agree with Nick I like that it doesn't take 8 windows to get your daily fix. If anyone sees a lacking of a certain type of thread, IE an artistic forging thread or a metallurgical thread, by all means start one instead of complaining.
 
Sam Salvati said:
I agree with Nick I like that it doesn't take 8 windows to get your daily fix. If anyone sees a lacking of a certain type of thread, IE an artistic forging thread or a metallurgical thread, by all means start one instead of complaining.
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... and don't complain if it turns into mud!
 
Tai Goo said:
I really don’t see how art and science can be brought together effectively, without first understanding the differences between the two. It would be like painting without distinguishing between colors… you would just wind up with mud.
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That is why YOU should pay for YOUR OWN SUBFORUM where you can do what you want. Just because YOU don't see how art and science can be brought together DOES NOT mean that we all have the same problem. Because you have an issue does not mean that we have to change for you- despite what you seem to think. Reading this thread it seems that you are the only one with the problem. I respect your passion for art, but I feel it is getting in the way of your interactions on this forum whereby most of your posts seem to have the attitude that things need to be changed and you are the one to save us from the evils of science and truth.

I'll respectfully leave this "discussion" now and refrain from responding to your thinnly veiled flaming of MY beliefs.
 
Now we're arguing semantics and it is like listening to college kids debate about religion. This thread had potential, but now it just needs to die. Tai, can you lock this train wreck?
 
BubbaT, how come all the threads you start ends up giving me a headache and also a pain in the rhoids. HEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!!
 
Nathan the Machinist said:
Now we're arguing semantics and it is like listening to college kids debate about religion. This thread had potential, but now it just needs to die. Tai, can you lock this train wreck?
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Tai,
I agree, put the pin back in this grenade.
Your work is supremely beautiful, but every once in a while you start something ugly on this forum, this is one of those ugly things. please put it out of our misery

-Page
 
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Now we're arguing semantics and it is like listening to college kids debate about religion. This thread had potential, but now it just needs to die. Tai, can you lock this train wreck?
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I would Nathan, but I don't know how or if I even can...

How?
 
I would rather not see a seperate sub forum either. Shop talk here is the most dynamic forum of them all.

As far as art goes, seems to me a metallurgical understanding is intergral to "the state of the art" in knifemaking. Knifemaking could be best taught in an "Industrial Arts" setting. After all it is just basic metal shop technique, whether with hand or machine tools.
 
Evidently I can't lock the thread. I looked under my thread tools options tab and don't see it there.

So let me just say this. I was really just trying to help, but I let my emotions get in the way and I blew it! I'm sorry.

Obviously, there aren't many who share my views, or it's impossible for me to communicate them effectively,... or no one who shares my views wants to get involved, which is understandable. I'm sure not gaining anything by any of it... and I don't think anyone else is.

So,... I'll just do my best to stay off this forum completely. I'm sure it will be fine without me.

I'll still post pics of my work on one or more of the other Bladeforums areas for those who like looking.

Please lets just drop it.

Thanks in advance.
 
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Well, I still wish good information was easier to reference here...

I kind of wonder what information there would be in this thread if a person washed out the BS. There are times here when a person puts up what amounts to an internal discussion... a personal look at a topic... a thing just offered, not necessarily a question or even a statement... more a description. Like the first post in this... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624959

I've never not benefited from seeing a thing of common interest from another person's view.

Mike
 
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Tai, I hope I didn't make you feel unwelcome with my post. That was not my intention at all. All I was trying to point out was that it seemed to me that you were trying to apply a strict definition to something that imho is too subjective to define in any specific way.

I don't usually agree with your views but I do respect them and I appreciate the fact that you see things from a different perspective. If everyone that had a different viewpoint left, this forum wouldn't be worth visiting at all. The diversity is what makes this place rock.
 
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