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Bad Michael Sastre, River City Sheaths

Discussion in 'FEEDBACK: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly!' started by Bill Roberts, Jan 21, 2020.

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  1. Bill Roberts

    Bill Roberts

    Jan 21, 2020
    Thank you!

    On adjustment for some reason having been an issue recognized by him originally, here's what he said and when:

    June 12, 2019:
    June 27, 2019:
    I would certainly like to think he has not sold it. I am not accusing him of that. That would be very willful and certainly criminal. But on the other hand, why the no shipping, including after being warned he'd be reported for mail fraud if not sent by a given date, then on failing to ship being advised that he had been reported for mail fraud, and then being advised of a fraud claim started with PayPal?? Inexplicable just about to not only not ship but remain silent through all that.

    He has cited COPD but that doesn't stop someone from putting a box in their mailbox for pickup, or going to the Post Office. Besides he said on January 9th he was mailing the next day, and the likelihood of falling vastly ill in the next 24 hours is low. He's also definitely still kicking because he signed in to the forum the same morning I started this thread, and did sign in last Friday as well, with the thread well underway and him having been alerted to it.
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  2. Hale Storm

    Hale Storm Kydex Whisperer Gold Member

    Sep 18, 2013
    It didn't take 15 days to make the adjustment on a kydex knife sheath. It took him 15 days to get to that work. I like his use of the word 'period'. LOL

    And I agree on your opinion of the timeline here in January, and the fact that he's been online. If it's me, I'm definitely filing with the Postal Inspection service for fraud. Not all states are the same but you may be able to contact your state attorney general's office and inquire about consumer fraud as well since you have proof you paid for services and he has no proof he delivered back to you.

    I can't imagine letting anyone, especially a member HERE, steal my knife and just simply ignore me, and think I will go allow that to stand. I would pursue it to the end on principal alone. YMMV

    I don't remember and don't want to reread, but are the mods involved yet?
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  3. jux t

    jux t Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 10, 2018
    @Boru13 said he’s waiting for a response from Mike before other actions can be taken. I don’t want to believe that the guy who designed the Spyderco g-clip and Cold Steel c-clip is a thief.

    TOMBSTONE Gold Member Gold Member

    Oct 31, 1998
    Mike was on forums last night, did you hear from him I hope?
    @Bill Roberts

    Well OP, I hope everything gets resolved soon
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  5. Bill Roberts

    Bill Roberts

    Jan 21, 2020
    He has not, by either e-mail or message.

    At this point, if he is reading this, Mike, please get the knife and sheath into the mail, Priority Mail as paid for, and send me the tracking number. No point really in writing before that, but that tracking number needs to be sent me absolutely ASAP, meaning should be today. And I need my property back in that plus the Priority Mail delivery time. It absolutely cannot be justified to not do this.

    Or, if the suggestion is right that you may not have my knife anymore and therefore can't return it, and since the sheath you say must be custom to the specific knife, then to avoid having defrauded me you need to refund the $132 I paid you for the sheath, refund the money paid for return shipping, and compensate me the current replacement cost of the knife, which I find to be $165.49. Which totals to $307.49. You can use PayPal and we will be 100% good if you do that.

    I would also like to add, If in some say you're put off (I have no idea) that I have reported you for mail fraud as well as started the PayPal fraud process and now have issues with me, see above, I am not alone in concluding those became appropriate in this case. I expect that Postal investigations proceed slowly. You may not have heard from them yet. But if the postal inspector has the same conclusion, consider that when something is returned to the owner only after the authorities act, that is not necessarily treated the same as being returned beforehand.

    If the act is decided to be illegal by the authorities, e.g. mail fraud in this case, the crime was still committed. Returning the item at that too-late point does not necessarily save one. "Listen Judge, I stole his car, but after the police showed up at my door I gave it back to him, so I'm good." Nope. Doesn't work that way.

    If nothing else matters to you, at least consider why would you want to still be possessing my property and still be keeping my money you asked for Priority Mail, without making good, on the postal inspector deciding to get to your case. Not worth it compared to the trouble of just getting to the Post Office.

    Nothing else has motivated you, maybe considering that could?

    EDIT: Btw, coincidentally I just received this by e-mail:

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  6. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    No I have not.

    Gonna wait till this weekend and if there's still no contact I'll look at other options.
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  7. Liberty43

    Liberty43 Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 14, 2012
    Ugh...I hate reading this type of situation but this forum is a great place to search for "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"...good luck and please let us all know if there is any movement (positive or negative).
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  8. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    @Bill Roberts
    Any update ?

    Mike was on yesterday, still no communication that I'm aware of.
  9. Bill Roberts

    Bill Roberts

    Jan 21, 2020
    Yes, absolutely nothing. No reply to any email, a year lost, no knife, money gone, he is choosing to keep the knife and money and to blow me and apparently also you and any other mods off completely.

    I will tomorrow advance the PayPal fraud report if Sastre continues ignoring me today. Unfortunately as the only part of the transaction that was by PayPal was the return shipping, I will recover only $10 which is near nothing compared to total loss, but out of principle it must be done.

    The Post Office, as reported above, has their fraud investigation underway. But they probably will not get my property for me. Hopefully they will do to him what he deserves though.
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2020
  10. Boru13

    Boru13 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Mod Moderator

    Apr 25, 2000
    Sorry to hear this but thanks for the update.

    I talked to @Spark about this yesterday, we'll see if he's able to get you some kind of resolution.
  11. Bill Roberts

    Bill Roberts

    Jan 21, 2020
    Thank you!! :)
  12. Spark

    Spark HPIC - Hatas gonna Hate Staff Member Administrator Super Mod Moderator

    Oct 2, 1998
    If I'd had known about this, I'd have asked him during SHOT. Sorry you are going through this.
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  13. Bill Roberts

    Bill Roberts

    Jan 21, 2020
    Thank you.

    PayPal fraud case now escalated due to Sastre continuing to ignore all communication, despite obviously being aware (logging in to the board more than once since this thread started, and being alerted more than once.)

    Not that that helps me much, but there has to be some consequence for stealing, and I do call it stealing now, taking a man's knife and money and having him empty handed long past any promised or reasonable time and no reason now to think anything but forever, until and unless he changes things by returning my property or recompenses my losses. And hopefully, if he does not, there will be more consequence than that as well. There should be.
    Last edited: Feb 3, 2020
  14. stonesell

    stonesell Gold Member Gold Member

    Feb 20, 2009
    I guess that Civil action is your best bet. Mike has been a forum member since 1999, so it’s not like he’s gonna get booted off for not responding to you. As a long time person in the knife business, he probably feels that he has a superior position, and is above getting involved in your post.
    It is unfortunate that he is so out of touch with the concerns of clients such as yourself. I knew many years ago that I would never deal with the guy, based on other complaints that I read about him.
  15. Garrett Ferrell

    Garrett Ferrell

    Oct 5, 2019
    Damn,I’m sorry to hear that.its a damn shame it’s so hard to be able to take a man for his word these days..I really hope you can get this sorted out,I could only imagine the nightmare it would be to get anyone to do anything about
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  16. benchwarmer380

    benchwarmer380 Valyrian Member Platinum Member

    Sep 17, 2012
    Seniority, paid membership, vouches or karma will not keep you safe from the sharks for if you go off the deep end into deception and thievery. At best you may get a little bit more benefit of the doubt, yet that only gets you so far. From what others have posted it sounds like this isn't the first time something like this has happened with the person in question.

    If I am wrong, which I highly doubt, well then...
  17. SpyderPhreak

    SpyderPhreak Rocketman for hire Platinum Member

    Apr 13, 2004
    I don't know about that.

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  18. Hale Storm

    Hale Storm Kydex Whisperer Gold Member

    Sep 18, 2013
    If the postal inspection service finds evidence this guy stole this mans knife using the mail, he won't have to be booted off of BF. He will be in federal prison. One of the most powerful law enforcement officials in the U.S. is a U.S. Postal Inspector. Most people don't know that. I've met a few of those guys years ago and they take their job very seriously.
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  19. fonedork

    fonedork Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jul 7, 2011
    Nobody is suing someone in another state over a few hundred dollars. Anyone who takes your money promising to initiate some kind of legal action over this is actually using that money to purchase crack and smoke it under the bridge with their fellow crack heads. Nobody is going to federal prison over this type of dispute, ever, never ever gonna ever happen. That is a fantasy scenario. Law enforcement is gonna say this is a civil dispute. They will say we don’t get involved in civil disputes. They are gonna say we don’t have jurisdiction. The only solution to this problem is if the guy returns the knife. Whether that happens depends on how much he values his reputation. That’s all there is to this. I really hope you get it back, and thanks for posting this.
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  20. Thomas Linton

    Thomas Linton

    Jun 16, 2003
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