Mick Strider has some explaining to do.

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So what is the outcome here? Hell I believe he made up stuff but what does it matter if there is solid proof or not?
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It isn't that he made stuff up. Its that he built his bussiness on those lies and on the back of service people who believed him. No one is questioning that he was in the military or that he served his time for his crime. What people like myself don't like is his claiming to be a combat vet and working black ops when he hasn't. It is a slap in the face to all those who have served or are serving now.
 
Fellas, spend some in federal court on negoiated pleas. If sentences were engraved in stone the Fedral Court system would be backlogged 100 years and every case would be a trial. You cannot get everyone to plead guilty if the Court had no leeway in sentencing.

Bu who gives a Phuck, I don't Boats, you are always right..................

Oh yeah BTW, you cannot obtain copies of a criminal Investigation citing the Freedom of info act. All you will get are the COURT documents. You need not call anyone but the Court, they will have it all.

But again, what the Phuck do I know, you will tell me that I am wrong and you are entitiled to the entire file...............
 
Good evening - Just got back from being out, sorry for the delay.

I'm going to answer a couple issues that have been brought up.

1. Michelle - the email states banned from searching. When I wrote the email, I'd gotten a "you don't have permission" error. This turned out to my login not being kept, not because my profile was banned from Badlands. I have not been banned from Badlandsforums.com, that statement is true. Unfortunately, though, I have been banned from searching on TacticalForums.com (my address is banned) and USN. The mistake was 100% mine. Since this thread isn't about answering commenting on (then) private emails between myself and Mad Dog, and since it was an honest mistake on my part that I freely admit I was incorrect about, I trust this little derail is over.

2. To the "crew" who has apparrently arrived over here to save the day from elsewhere... the day I feel bad about people who never post here saying they aren't coming back will be the first one. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

If you cannot refute the claims I've made, and are trying to distract from them, then I'm going to presume that you admit my statements are true. Just to make it clear, I am stating that the claims made by Mick Strider do not reconcile with the facts.
  • I have never heard of a person discharged as an E1 (the lowest rank in the military), with a self professed damaged spine, being admitted to any form of US government Special Operations capacity. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a former E1, with a self professed "shitty attitude," a bar from reenlistment, and a damaged spine, would be recruited for any non-governmental Special Operations capacity. If you doubt that, I suggest you check the requirements for working at BlackWater.
  • I have certainly never heard of a convicted felon being granted a SECRET or above clearance, which is a requirement for any Special Operations capacity position. This negates any claims that Special Operations service was done post 1993.
  • Anyone who claims they were to be sentenced to Somalia instead of prison for carjacking is a flat out liar.
  • Mick Strider states that he is a combat vet. He has yet to provide any documentation showing any combat service, anywhere, let alone while working for the US Government in any capacity. This sort of service is easily backed up by public records, and records available through FOIA requests.
  • Mick Strider claims others falsified his military history. I am stating flat out that I believe he's done the falsification, outright and through lies of omission.
If you cannot refute these claims, everything else is window dressing and an attempt at misdirection on your parts. To use Michelles words, let's move on to an "argument with merit"

3. I welcome any verifiable corrections to the statements I have made. If I am wrong, I will come out and say so. If Mick Strider thinks any statement I've made is actionable in a court of law, by all means he may take action legal action against me. Considering that he's already had to settle one lawsuit based on the falsehood of his claims, I'm not worried about the outcome of any others. I've been very careful about what statements I've made publically regarding this matter, and am only making claims that I can back up with proof.

If anyone feels they can disprove anything I've stated, state your case clearly and I will address it.

4. The day I feel shame for calling a liar out on lies he's made and has yet to retract will be the day I stop being a man. If you support someone who lies, who's lies are easily proven, and who continues to lie even in the face of proof, and who refuses to provide any information backing up their claims, then that speaks volumes not only on your own credibility, but moral character as well.

I'll go one step further - I have little use for people who know for a fact someone is making claims based on lies and outright fabrications, lying about their service to their country, and profiting off the stolen valor of men who died in service, and yet remain silent or allow such falsehoods to be spread further. Doing so tells me they support such behavior, and that they find it acceptable.

I started this thread with a direct quote from Mick Strider saying he feels people should be held accountable for their words and actions.

I have provided liberal quotes from Mick Strider regarding combat service, firearms use, his Somalia "plea bargain", and his military history.

I have yet to see a single rebuttal to the statements I've made from him since I've posted this thread.

I will say again, if anyone can document that any claim regarding Mick Strider is false, grab your sack, step forward, and say so. Display the intestinal fortitude to stand by your words and be judged accordingly. I have, and thus far I've had my motives questioned, my business threatened, my credibility questioned, my integrity questioned, and am still here; because no one has been able to prove me wrong.

Mick Strider is not banned from this site - if you view his profile, it says "Registered User" - I welcome him to make any rebuttals here, since he's made so many contradictory claims here as well.

I'm going to close this out with the Ranger Creed.

Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the prestige, honor, and high esprit de corps of my Ranger Regiment.

Acknowledging the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move farther, faster and fight harder than any other soldier.

Never shall I fail my comrades. I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be. One-hundred-percent and then some.

Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well-trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow.

Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country.

Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission though I be the lone survivor.

Rangers Lead The Way!
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Consider those words, and then consider Mick Strider's actions.
 
Cougar Allen said:
Gentlebeings, the people who are being rounded up elsewhere on the net and sent over here to do battle are not idiots. They're just ignorant. Let's not call them names; let's welcome them and educate them.

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

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I am not sure where your coming from as this is your village???

I am from the city.
 
Spark said:
Good evening - Just got back from being out, sorry for the delay.

I'm going to answer a couple issues that have been brought up.

1. Michelle - the email states banned from searching. When I wrote the email, I'd gotten a "you don't have permission" error. This turned out to my login not being kept, not because my profile was banned from Badlands. I have not been banned from Badlandsforums.com, that statement is true. Unfortunately, though, I have been banned from searching on TacticalForums.com (my address is banned) and USN. The mistake was 100% mine. Since this thread isn't about answering commenting on (then) private emails between myself and Mad Dog, and since it was an honest mistake on my part that I freely admit I was incorrect about, I trust this little derail is over.

2. To the "crew" who has apparrently arrived over here to save the day from elsewhere... the day I feel bad about people who never post here saying they aren't coming back will be the first one. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

If you cannot refute the claims I've made, and are trying to distract from them, then I'm going to presume that you admit my statements are true. Just to make it clear, I am stating that the claims made by Mick Strider do not reconcile with the facts.
  • I have never heard of a person discharged as an E1 (the lowest rank in the military), with a self professed damaged spine, being admitted to any form of US government Special Operations capacity. I find it extremely difficult to believe that a former E1, with a self professed "shitty attitude," a bar from reenlistment, and a damaged spine, would be recruited for any non-governmental Special Operations capacity. If you doubt that, I suggest you check the requirements for working at BlackWater.
  • I have certainly never heard of a convicted felon being granted a SECRET or above clearance, which is a requirement for any Special Operations capacity position. This negates any claims that Special Operations service was done post 1993.
  • Anyone who claims they were to be sentenced to Somalia instead of prison for carjacking is a flat out liar.
  • Mick Strider states that he is a combat vet. He has yet to provide any documentation showing any combat service, anywhere, let alone while working for the US Government in any capacity. This sort of service is easily backed up by public records, and records available through FOIA requests.
  • Mick Strider claims others falsified his military history. I am stating flat out that I believe he's done the falsification, outright and through lies of omission.
If you cannot refute these claims, everything else is window dressing and an attempt at misdirection on your parts. To use Michelles words, let's move on to an "argument with merit"

3. I welcome any verifiable corrections to the statements I have made. If I am wrong, I will come out and say so. If Mick Strider thinks any statement I've made is actionable in a court of law, by all means he may take action legal action against me. Considering that he's already had to settle one lawsuit based on the falsehood of his claims, I'm not worried about the outcome of any others. I've been very careful about what statements I've made publically regarding this matter, and am only making claims that I can back up with proof.

If anyone feels they can disprove anything I've stated, state your case clearly and I will address it.

4. The day I feel shame for calling a liar out on lies he's made and has yet to retract will be the day I stop being a man. If you support someone who lies, who's lies are easily proven, and who continues to lie even in the face of proof, and who refuses to provide any information backing up their claims, then that speaks volumes not only on your own credibility, but moral character as well.

I'll go one step further - I have little use for people who know for a fact someone is making claims based on lies and outright fabrications, lying about their service to their country, and profiting off the stolen valor of men who died in service, and yet remain silent or allow such falsehoods to be spread further. Doing so tells me they support such behavior, and that they find it acceptable.

I started this thread with a direct quote from Mick Strider saying he feels people should be held accountable for their words and actions.

I have provided liberal quotes from Mick Strider regarding combat service, firearms use, his Somalia "plea bargain", and his military history.

I have yet to see a single rebuttal to the statements I've made from him since I've posted this thread.

I will say again, if anyone can document that any claim regarding Mick Strider is false, grab your sack, step forward, and say so. Display the intestinal fortitude to stand by your words and be judged accordingly. I have, and thus far I've had my motives questioned, my business threatened, my credibility questioned, my integrity questioned, and am still here; because no one has been able to prove me wrong.

Mick Strider is not banned from this site - if you view his profile, it says "Registered User" - I welcome him to make any rebuttals here, since he's made so many contradictory claims here as well.

I'm going to close this out with the Ranger Creed.



Consider those words, and then consider Mick Strider's actions.
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What actions? All I have seen are some cut and paste internet crap. I have not seen any actions? Show me some actions?????

I have seen proof that the man was in the Military. Thats all thats been proven so far. The man served his country. The rest is all speculation and name calling.
 
Grayscouts said:
Just my 2 cents.....



And I am sick and tired of idiots out there saying because I was attached to a Ranger Battalion, I was a Ranger. Without the TAB you ARE NOT A RANGER!!!! The TAB proves that you have the stuff to make a RANGER. RIP is just a teaser course to see if you have the shit to pass the Ranger School. Special Forces have the same thing. That way they can boot people who they feel will not make it through the training without having to waste more time with the real thing. From reading Micks accounts, he passed RIP, probably started Ranger School, got hurt and then got told he would have to be let go, had a fit, then got booted. This sounds more realistic than a busted PRIVATE being called upon to SAVE THE DAY.

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Paul,

I really have no stake in this,but if it needs to be known I do support Strider knives and Mick Strider.

I do however want to let you know You are wrong about what I have quoted here. Actually...It's the exact opposite of what you posted. a RANGER TAB only makes you RANGER qualified,most Army Servicemen can go to RANGER School and get a TAB.The TAB is an Identifier.

RANGER Indoctrination Program(RIP) is what you have to complete to be placed in a RANGER battalion,once you are placed in a RANGER battalion YOU ARE A RANGER and you wear a Scroll for that battalion. All Soldiers in a RANGER battalion will EVENTUALLY go to RANGER school and get a TAB. The way things are rite now though,alot of RANGERS go to War before they get their TAB. The Scroll is a way of life and the TAB is an identifier.

Please read this link http://specialoperations.military.com/army-rangers/training.html


Frank
 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." TR
 
dakotared said:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." TR
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Amen, Amen.
 
dakotared said:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." TR
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Thanks for the unintended irony.:D
 
WORKER#9 said:
What actions? All I have seen are some cut and paste internet crap. I have not seen any actions? Show me some actions?????

I have seen proof that the man was in the Military. Thats all thats been proven so far. The man served his country. The rest is all speculation and name calling.
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Just so I'm clear: You are denying the validity of the information I've posted? Be specific, what sections do you say are false? Do you have any documentation backing up your claim?
 
My Macbook Pro (I'm not jealous of anyone, thanks) pings me and I return.

Thread subscription. You should try it sometime.
 
dakotared said:
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." TR
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I'll see you and raise:

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
President Lincoln
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Mick Strider said:
We live in a world where people feel as if they have the right to act with complete impunity.
That bothers me. Because of that, I hold people accountable for their words and actions.
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Someone shoulda taken away Mick's keyboard before he shot himself with it. Some friends.:rolleyes:
 
i'll raise with:
I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
Frank Lloyd Wright
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but i see it as fair to use that quote for the whole of the thread.

the supposition is unbounded and spark knows that mick left to not return and has only been baiting a hook for a fish that has swam away, luckly for spark, he has managed to hook all of us to at least visit, read, or post foolishly.
 
Spark said:
Just so I'm clear: You are denying the validity of the information I've posted? Be specific, what sections do you say are false? Do you have any documentation backing up your claim?
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I read it, and I re read it...

Information, Hey I am a Strider Supporter, I feel like I could get hanged for what I believe. I really feel like it's get a rope time around here.

But on to the MEAT of the question.. I don't see what you proved. I really don't. I see a guy who joined the service right out of high school with the best intentions and had a bad run. I see a bunch of cut and paste nonsense. It seems bitter and nasty in spirit.

I am not seeing Timothy Mcveigh. Thats the picture your painting. I see an all American boy who served, made some mistakes and then got crucified for it on the internet.

I proudly carry a Strider everday.
 
Hawsbill, by all means, back up your statement. I challenge you again: If you can disprove anything I've stated, by all means provide evidence and do so. If I'm wrong, call me out and state why. I have no bones correcting anything I've said, or admitting when I'm in error.
 
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