Micron Knives

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MarbReds said:
A couple of questions here because given what Guy and his wife did to this community, boy are these odd statements to say the least.

1 - Do you really believe these things?

2 - Where does your evidence suggest the money for preorders went, if it was not to said preorders and not returned to the customers, and how is this not “making off with it”

3 - Why bother defending Guy’s business or intentions at all, knowing all the people he victimized, as a way to introduce yourself and your new separate knife brand?
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Questions I have as well. And which I asked earlier in this thread, only not in so many words, to essentially no reply.


These are the questions that need to be answered in detail. Not interested in Guy's dog or the OP's family dynamic.
 
SharpBits said:
"We also came across zero evidence or indications". He can only report what he saw or did not see. It is a statement, not a defense.
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It seems like a fairly tone deaf thing to say at best when there is a 300 plus page thread outlining the evidence and indications, doesn’t it?

ETA: what evidence could there be that Guy didn’t rip all those people off? A stack of dusty refund checks? He already stated there were no completed knives…
 
The True North said:
Questions I have as well. And which I asked earlier in this thread, only not in so many words, to essentially no reply.


These are the questions that need to be answered in detail. Not interested in Guy's dog or the OP's family dynamic.
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They are and I’m not dogpiling, even if it seems that way.

If you’ve come to BF to tell us about your knife company, awesome.

If you’ve come to be upfront about your relationship with Guy, even better.

Defending Guy or suggesting there is some absence of evidence of all the people he stole from, who does that benefit?
 
I suppose I have a bit of a different perspective. A couple times a year, I get together with a bunch of lads to camp, make fire, play with knives etc. Though all of these fellas are knife guys and some are at least aware of BladeForums, they aren't in tune enough to know what's current and good in our community, let alone anything to do with Survive. When I had a Survive blade in my possession, they were all pretty impressed but they knew nothing about the company and I was only just becoming aware myself at the time.

The point being, I can see someone be a knife guy, coming here and introducing themselves, making comments about Survive that might be taken in poor taste, and be doing so somewhat obliviously.

However, it isn't difficult to read the room here with regards to Survive and an introductory post in a thread titled, Bad Survive! Deserves A Permanent Post In The Hall Of Shame, in my mind at least, was a bit of a misstep. Unfortunately, that set the tone for Jack's reception here; hopefully he can turn it around.

I'm willing to provide a benefit of a doubt and I'll see how it plays out. Time will tell, for sure. But seriously, no one should wish ill on a genuine attempt to offer something new to the community. Saturated or otherwise, there is still plenty of room and often the one thing that makes a difference has more to do with the quality of the maker, rather than his craft (though the latter obviously matters too).
 
MicronKnives said:
Kelley-Tron Machine Co. Is the main show. Day to day operations are me and two full time machinists. My parents and I are equal owners and moved down here after they retired. I am beyond grateful for their help, but they know they are not required to be here slaving away.

And she did that on her own, she's not the only one. My GF and all my friends are following along, just without accounts, so say hi!

There was extensive conversation about whether or not I should introduce ourselves this way. I don't regret it yet, I think it'll be worth it in the long term to establish ourselves this way.

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Looks like Olive has found her Home of Homes!👍
 
The True North said:
Jack let's talk about your projected design philosophy, materials choices, target demographic, etc.


Give us whatever non-top-secret goods you can, new friend of the forum.
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I have no problems answering questions like this, it's fun and helps me with my business plan.

I just finished a four hour foam forming handle shaping session. For the design, I have been focusing heavily on coming up with primary and secondary lines that are forward leaning, in an attempt to get a modern, sharp styling, which hopefully goes well with the micron name (precise, cold, modern, etc.) The target demographic is quite selfishly, me. I'm shooting for the type of customer that wants to take their knife backpacking, hunting, camping, and then forget it outside in the rain. I want it on the smaller, lighter weight side. Therefore, I'm looking at magnacut at 62-63, with a drop point hollow saber grind, on the shorter side at ~8" and a thinner body (haven't decided, likely .12/.13)

Anyways, currently debating waiting and dropping two knives, to cover my demographic and someone that wants a larger, more choppy style knife.
MarbReds said:
A couple of questions here because given what Guy and his wife did to this community, boy are these odd statements to say the least.

1 - Do you really believe these things?

2 - Where does your evidence suggest the money for preorders went, if it was not to said preorders and not returned to the customers, and how is this not “making off with it”

3 - Why bother defending Guy’s business or intentions at all, knowing all the people he victimized, as a way to introduce yourself and your new separate knife brand?
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1) I do. It was the first fixed blade knife I held that I could see myself using and wearing. The fit and finish was good and the way it popped out of the holster was something I've never seen. I won't claim they are the best fixed blade knives, but they are leagues beyond the buck knife I had from when I was younger.

He was wildly peculiar about the knife blanks too. He was adamant that he was going to find a shop to subcontract to. I remember I was moving stuff away from in front of a blast cabinet and I dropped a knife blanks that was on a box lid, and he was furious. This is why I think his intentions were to finish the knives. I also didn't come across any evidence. I wasn't looking for any, but I didn't find anything.

2) I don't have any evidence for this either. You gotta remember I didn't go in there pretending to be a detective. He said the lenders were knocking, we called the lenders, and they were very much knocking. If you're asking me to speculate? I think their overhead are up millions over the years. He had four or five full time guys in a $4k/month rented building with hundreds of thousands of machinery on loan at the most outrageous interest rates you've ever seen (He called them predatory, yet he signed them).

3) I am not defending his business or his intentions. We all know he scammed people out of shit tons of money. His intentions can be to finish knives (to sell as fake factory seconds for cash? maybe, but that's pure speculation). I think giving you all the chance to ask questions and being upfront with the way we start our business is the best move.
 
MarbReds said:
It seems like a fairly tone deaf thing to say at best when there is a 300 plus page thread outlining the evidence and indications, doesn’t it?

ETA: what evidence could there be that Guy didn’t rip all those people off? A stack of dusty refund checks? He already stated there were no completed knives…
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Maybe I should have said there was no additional evidence or indication... Either way the reason I said that is I figured you all would ask if I came across anything, the answer is no.
 
MicronKnives said:
I have no problems answering questions like this, it's fun and helps me with my business plan.

I just finished a four hour foam forming handle shaping session. For the design, I have been focusing heavily on coming up with primary and secondary lines that are forward leaning, in an attempt to get a modern, sharp styling, which hopefully goes well with the micron name (precise, cold, modern, etc.) The target demographic is quite selfishly, me. I'm shooting for the type of customer that wants to take their knife backpacking, hunting, camping, and then forget it outside in the rain. I want it on the smaller, lighter weight side. Therefore, I'm looking at magnacut at 62-63, with a drop point hollow saber grind, on the shorter side at ~8" and a thinner body (haven't decided, likely .12/.13)

Anyways, currently debating waiting and dropping two knives, to cover my demographic and someone that wants a larger, more choppy style knife.

1) I do. It was the first fixed blade knife I held that I could see myself using and wearing. The fit and finish was good and the way it popped out of the holster was something I've never seen. I won't claim they are the best fixed blade knives, but they are leagues beyond the buck knife I had from when I was younger.

He was wildly peculiar about the knife blanks too. He was adamant that he was going to find a shop to subcontract to. I remember I was moving stuff away from in front of a blast cabinet and I dropped a knife blanks that was on a box lid, and he was furious. This is why I think his intentions were to finish the knives. I also didn't come across any evidence. I wasn't looking for any, but I didn't find anything.

2) I don't have any evidence for this either. You gotta remember I didn't go in there pretending to be a detective. He said the lenders were knocking, we called the lenders, and they were very much knocking. If you're asking me to speculate? I think their overhead are up millions over the years. He had four or five full time guys in a $4k/month rented building with hundreds of thousands of machinery on loan at the most outrageous interest rates you've ever seen (He called them predatory, yet he signed them).

3) I am not defending his business or his intentions. We all know he scammed people out of shit tons of money. His intentions can be to finish knives (to sell as fake factory seconds for cash? maybe, but that's pure speculation). I think giving you all the chance to ask questions and being upfront with the way we start our business is the best move.
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I appreciate the reply, genuinely. I think there’s a constructive conversation to be had here.

Guy did make out with the money from those unfulfilled preorders, full stop. He took the money, didn’t return it, and didn’t provide the product. Whatever he actually misappropriated it on is immaterial. It would be very obtuse for anyone to suggest otherwise if they didn’t have some sort of reason for attempting to cloud what really happened. It’s insensitive in a vacuum, but it’s really strange to bring it up in the context of trying to promote your own knife brand.

You said you truly believe Guy’s ultimate goal was to produce the knives that were ordered. This is another head scratcher, do you know something the rest of us don’t? I think if you took a step back you’d realize that’s how a statement like that sounds.

You “came across” zero indications that he was intentionally scamming people. Why say something like this when there is so much evidence of him intentionally scamming people, particularly in the same thread you chose to make these comments in.

You really still don’t see these statements as defending his intentions? Do you see how others could perceive them this way?
 
MarbReds said:
I appreciate the reply, genuinely. I think there’s a constructive conversation to be had here.

Guy did make out with the money from those unfulfilled preorders, full stop. He took the money, didn’t return it, and didn’t provide the product. Whatever he actually misappropriated it on is immaterial. It would be very obtuse for anyone to suggest otherwise if they didn’t have some sort of reason for attempting to cloud what really happened. It’s insensitive in a vacuum, but it’s really strange to bring it up in the context of trying to promote your own knife brand.

You said you truly believe Guy’s ultimate goal was to produce the knives that were ordered. This is another head scratcher, do you know something the rest of us don’t? I think if you took a step back you’d realize that’s how a statement like that sounds.

You “came across” zero indications that he was intentionally scamming people. Why say something like this when there is so much evidence of him intentionally scamming people, particularly in the same thread you chose to make these comments in.

You really still don’t see these statements as defending his intentions? Do you see how others could perceive them this way?
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I do see that. I don't mean to be a survive apologist, as I am not.

The issue here seems to be why I said what I said. Which is what I did not pick up on. There's 300 pages of evidence, I have nothing that I can add to that. I assumed that would be asked of me.

And yeah by the time I left with all the equipment I did believe he was going to try to cashflow those knives. He even unknowingly reached out to my customers to get quotes on it all. From my perspective outside of the Internet, there was the evidence for that statement!

With context, I'd speculate he was going to try to sell them for cash. As an outsider? That's my perspective.
 
MicronKnives said:
I do see that. I don't mean to be a survive apologist, as I am not.

The issue here seems to be why I said what I said. Which is what I did not pick up on. There's 300 pages of evidence, I have nothing that I can add to that. I assumed that would be asked of me.

And yeah by the time I left with all the equipment I did believe he was going to try to cashflow those knives. He even unknowingly reached out to my customers to get quotes on it all. From my perspective outside of the Internet, there was the evidence for that statement!

With context, I'd speculate he was going to try to sell them for cash. As an outsider? That's my perspective.
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Thanks again for responding. I can appreciate the thoughtfulness you’re putting towards this effort, and I don’t envy that you need to start out by getting out ahead of any association with Survive!

I wish for success for you and your family/business, and I commend you for taking the dog in as well. Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing the knives.
 
MicronKnives said:
I have no problems answering questions like this, it's fun and helps me with my business plan.

I just finished a four hour foam forming handle shaping session. For the design, I have been focusing heavily on coming up with primary and secondary lines that are forward leaning, in an attempt to get a modern, sharp styling, which hopefully goes well with the micron name (precise, cold, modern, etc.) The target demographic is quite selfishly, me. I'm shooting for the type of customer that wants to take their knife backpacking, hunting, camping, and then forget it outside in the rain. I want it on the smaller, lighter weight side. Therefore, I'm looking at magnacut at 62-63, with a drop point hollow saber grind, on the shorter side at ~8" and a thinner body (haven't decided, likely .12/.13)

Anyways, currently debating waiting and dropping two knives, to cover my demographic and someone that wants a larger, more choppy style knife.
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Sounds good to me man.

All that paired with perfect factory edges (Micron, after all) sounds like a good blade.
 
MarbReds said:
Thanks again for responding. I can appreciate the thoughtfulness you’re putting towards this effort, and I don’t envy that you need to start out by getting out ahead of any association with Survive!

I wish for success for you and your family/business, and I commend you for taking the dog in as well. Best of luck, and I look forward to seeing the knives.
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Thank you! I really don't mind the scrutiny. It's expected, and I've got nothing to hide. I hope you like the knives!
The True North said:
Sounds good to me man.

All that paired with perfect factory edges (Micron, after all) sounds like a good blade.
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Perfect edges, precision machining, micron?! We are getting super excited, especially after the work we did today with the handles.
 
MicronKnives said:
I'll give little easter eggs as I go
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Any updates on a website/homepage/store? Or is that way down the line still?

Does Micron have an Instagram up and running? Would be a good place to showcase the build up, tease upcoming stuff, and drop those easter eggs.
 
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