military toughness

europeanoutdoorsman said:
This did happen. I'm not talking about a full on bend, but there was a small amount of play. Could this be from an error in the lock itself from factory? I don't care about a delicate tip as in a lot of cases, the tip wears with use anyway. But the tip up carry would be cool.

Cause as far as I know, the inset steel liners do add rigidity to the overall construction of the knife, that is for sure!
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Get the TUFF...
 
europeanoutdoorsman said:
@ shunsui
I actually was in the Army and served in a deployment so I know what the difference between the military and Rambo is. I'm not asking something wild or absurd.

The issue I have is the blade thickness to lock strength ratio. Again, I'm just suggesting this should be looked at. Locks can fail and when they do it is usually not good for the user. Thats all I'm saying. This is the reason I go with OTHER knives which have OTHER locks from Spyderco.
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Fair enough. What do you think of the new Tuff ?

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As far as I'm concerned. Get a simple SAK or something like that. I carry a Wenger standard issue (?). It's got the awl and bottle opener. For me that flatblade/bottle opener covers everything outside the realm of a simple cutting job. So for me the Military is the epitome of what a larger knife should be. I love the fine tip and FFG. Its made to cut, and does it very, very well. But really I'm just echoing what Sal and others have already said..... For years....
 
Hi Sal,
I don't have access to this particular knife, nor do I know details about when it was made. The liner was rather thin, thats about all I can say.

I am interested in the knife itself thats why I was asking/ suggesting this. As far tip strength, it is what it is, you know? I have dropped a knife on accident, but I have never broken a tip, even on somewhat delicate knives and I never pry with a knife, never will, so I don't see the huge problem with a delicate knife.

My issue with the lock is just if someone was forced to defend their life with that, would it break? Sal mentioned numbers and I think it is adequate strength. Again, he is right when stating that you shouldn't add unnecessary things.

I'll be picking one of these up because of this.
 
I'ver heard some horror stories about using a Miltary model for defense from troops in the middle east. The knives always performed well, held up well and the troop came home. That does it for me.

Although we will continue to refine and evolve the model based on our own testing, feedback from users (like you) and the creation of new materials that up the performance.

sal
 
If you have to resort to using your folder for defense in a combat zone, there are about a thousand things you should be worrying about before the Military's lock.
 
And put me on the side of guys who have stupidly stabbed their military into hard wood and had no ill effects. I was playing Beer Pong in my Garage which has a very low ceiling due to an added on second story. The ceiling was unfinished so my female roommate hung a thin material on it as well as christmas lights to dress it up a bit. However it started sagging right over our table, so in one drunken flourish I opened my Military and stabbed up hard into the 2x4 to keep the material from falling down. Granted, we then had a very large knife hanging over the table, which didn't really help our shots any....

And I've said it about a thousand times on here, but I don't think you can find a better designed working knife with a 4" blade. The handle can be gripped so many ways and is ergonomic in all of them. Working with gloves on and it is still a breeze to use. And the blade is absolutely superb, great amounts of subtle belly which I vastly prefer over the average straight edge with a very sudden curving belly. Fine tip which can be used for detail work, but still holds up to tremendous hard use... I just can't get over this knife.

Just yesterday my coworker had a bit of a run in with a parking stop, and after backing up about half his bumper was hanging off his Acura. My CPM M4 Military made short work of removing the bad half of the bumper :P
 
Another good point that hasn't been mentioned is the fact that the liner lock is very easy to keep clean in a dirty, sandy environment. I have worked in sandy areas before and it is pretty much impossible to keep lock backs from getting bunged up with sand.

If I was going to be deployed to a sandy area, I would want something easy to keep clean like a Walker Liner Lock, R.I.L., or compression lock. Simple, lightweight, and easy to keep clean. Sounds perfect for a soldier to me.

And as to lock strength, I know that Sal has mentioned in the past that they test and break locks in their facility for their own information. I have complete confidence that when I buy a Spyderco, it has been designed to not only be light and effective, but strong enough for any conceivable and proper use of a folding knife.

I love my Tuff and my M390 Military. If I'm cutting up miles of cardboard, I grab my Millie. If I'm going to be doing something a little nasty, I use the Tuff or a fixed blade etc. etc.

Just my 2 cents. :thumbup:

*this thread needs pictures. :D

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Sal,

You did it to me again. After reading your comments in this thread, I ordered a Mil Black Blade CE. You're a very bad influence. :D
 
I'm a big fan of the Military myself, in my humble opinion it's one of those knives that has the Walker Liner Lock done right. I have tremendous confidence in that lock, within a framework of responsible use of course. What you get for the price, I think it remains one of the best high quality values. How about a potential run with 3V. Sorry Sal, I had to throw that in there. :)
 
yablanowitz said:
Yeah, right. All new tooling, prototyping and testing for a limited run. Great idea, if you want Spyderco to go bankrupt.
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No kidding. I own a few compression lock spydies and it is a fantastic lock, but EVERY spydie does not need a compression lock. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

*cough* K390 *cough*:)
 
Sal Glesser said:
I'ver heard some horror stories about using a Miltary model for defense from troops in the middle east. The knives always performed well, held up well and the troop came home. That does it for me.
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Does it for me too. :)
 
Para-Military2, Superleaf, and the upcoming Szabo would all make killer sprint runs with 3V blades.
 
I haven't gotten a feel for where the edge retention is of my CPM 3V Tuff compared to other steels. I do know from reading that the toughness of that steel is off the charts compared to other high end alloy steels. It's pretty much over-kill for any folder including the Tuff let alone something less suited to impact type work like a Military. But, overkill has never stopped us before... :D I guess chipping resistance is never a bad thing even in a hard use slicer.

It's definitely a steel that I want in my next fixed blade camp knife that's for sure. It has me real interested in a Bark River Bravo 1 in 3V.
 
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