Minimum gear?

Elen,

I may have come across a bit strongly, but here, I know some of the SARs people, and they are all wonderful folks. Not one of them would be caught dead going into the bush without atleast a decent pocket knife. Do you really think that people should be walking off the beaten path with at least basic equipment like a pocket knife?


The biggest problem I have with this way of thinking is all the people that go out unprepared and expect that someone will come to their rescue if they need it, what ever happened to being responsible?

Anyways, when I took out my knee years ago, it was on a short 4.4 mile loop trail I had climbed a lot, and being offseason there werent a lot of people mobbing the trails yet, nor had the AMC shored it up. The edge of the trail gave way, and I tumbled down about 15-20ft. Not a huge deal, but I did pop my knee out, and had to have help getting back up. My point being that if I had not had a basic kit on me, those 4 days would have been tough to get thru.

You dont know when your going to turn an ankle, pop out a knee, or step on solid ground and have it no be solid. Why not carry 3lbs worth of gear to see you thru?

There are different philosophies to things. I know some experienced woodsmen here that are very much the Gear-Fu type, but more of those who are not. The former type is probably far more common in America, where everyone seems to love technology like if not more than life itself. It's certainly always safest to have all the gear you can ever imagine to need, and more, but sometimes it can't be done. For those moments of "sorry, no gear for you", it's good to have some practice under your belt from relatively safe situations - which is to say in terrain familiar to you, not hundreds of kilometers from civilization. I'll much rather suffer relative discomfort and some risk in going out in the woods with minimal gear in familiar terrain than end up going into a real situation only to find out that something goes wrong, I don't have access to any fancy gear anymore and I don't know how to survive without it. Gear is good. Skills are better. To have both skills and gear is, naturally, the best. But while you can develop some gear by using your skills, you can't develop any skills by just hauling fancy gear.

There are other ways to being prepared than being stacked up with loads of gear (even small loads). Skills are preparation, too, and far more vital in general than any piece of gear - except perhaps clothing, because in arctic winter, a man without the right clothes is so likely to soon become a dead man that it's not funny even if it happens to your most hated enemy. Quite frankly, if I was to walk out of the door and out to the woods bare naked and chewing on a piece of old bubblegum made in the 1980s, I would still be far more prepared for what's out there than John Q. Urban hauling 60 pounds worth of expensive equipment just bought and never before used. ;) I'm not hoping to spend the good taxpayers' money by providing work for SAR folks in a rather personal way - if I get lost, it's my problem. Hell, people would probably find my rotting corpse by accident before anyone else started missing me and organising search parties. :D

I don't like making too many recommendations to people, because no man is such an authority in my experience. But I certainly would not recommend that every Sunday hiker should go off the path into strange terrain, alone, and without any gear except the clothes on his person. On the other hand, I do recommend learning all that you're willing to learn and have the time to absorb. Going with very minimal gear can be very effective a teacher, but of course anything even remotely interesting includes some measure of risk. So, that's why I wouldn't always carry a couple of pounds of basic gear - to learn, and to experience the outdoors somewhat differently. Not having a TV is one thing, but not having the comforts of a tent and a sleeping bag or the safety net of a satellite or cellular phone, or even a small knife with you, is an entirely different experience, and far more primal. People trust in gear too much, these days. What happens if the gear goes lost, breaks down, gets stolen, and you're now in a situation so risky that you wouldn't have gone into it without the gear that you now effectively don't have? Bad things, of course.

So, as I said, my post wasn't a recommendation. It's just a description of what is the minimum gear that I will practically ever carry. Would I carry that minimal gear everywhere and recommend it to others? Nope. But I do think, that when I go out there with just my clothes, I'm far safer than any random hobbyist hiker with 60 pounds of equipment and GPS, let alone the same guy with just a pocket knife plus clothes. :) It's somehow strange to say all that, though, since while I like going bare minimum at times, I would never consider myself an ultralight type of outdoorsman in general. I often carry relatively heavy packs.
 
Elen: The problematic premise of those statements is that everyone who carries any amount of 'gear' must be fully relying on said equipment; that they couldn't survive without it.

Very many here are experienced, knowledgeable folk who choose to bring items that are difficult/impossible to duplicate in the wild, so that if we end up in a situation like Mr.Coffee we're not trying to make a fire with a bowdrill in mid-winter, but could get warm by way of a firesteel (for example). It doesn't mean we can't use/make the bowdrill.

Do we need item X? Who knows. But it may make life a lot easier and most items weigh a few ounces at most.

I'm not berating your choice, you can hike out with whatever you want. I'm all for 'the more you know the less you need', but that doesn't mean I'm going to go sprinting naked into the woods just to prove the depths of my manhood.
 
Elen: The problematic premise of those statements is that everyone who carries any amount of 'gear' must be fully relying on said equipment; that they couldn't survive without it.

Well, that would be problematic, but I do not have that premise. :) I do most often carry all kinds of things from knives to comfy sleeping bags, including things that I likely will not even use on the "trip". It was just to display the opposite ends of the spectrum: no tools but a lot of skill, a lot of tools but no skill. Neither is a very likely scenario - I don't know anyone who goes out there bare naked, and clothes are certainly the most important piece of survival gear around here, and I don't know anyone who doesn't know absolutely anything about anything even remotely useful in the woods.

I'm all for bringing whatever gear you feel like bringing. I'm also all for sometimes going with pretty much nothing beyond clothes, because that's going to teach you a few things - and if it doesn't teach you anything, then you certainly don't need all the gear in the first place, and can rest assured you'll be pretty fine in all but the most FUBAR'd of situations especially when you do bring your gear. :)

It's like those geography exams back in school. Sure, you could do it with a world atlas, but they don't let you bring one, do they. No, they want you to remember all that stuff for when you don't have that atlas.

I don't see it as proving anything - it's to me more like getting slightly more in touch with what life was like for the ancestors of our ancestors, a long time ago. Generally, I don't believe people should do things they feel uncomfortable doing. So, if you don't want to go anywhere without a PSK, don't do it. You'll sleep better knowing you're prepared. On the other hand, if you do feel like going on a hike without much in the way of gear, and have actual reason to believe you can pull it off, go for it. If it hurts, that'll learn you. If it doesn't hurt, at least you had a fun time.
 
Well, that would be problematic, but I do not have that premise. :) I do most often carry all kinds of things from knives to comfy sleeping bags, including things that I likely will not even use on the "trip". It was just to display the opposite ends of the spectrum: no tools but a lot of skill, a lot of tools but no skill. Neither is a very likely scenario - I don't know anyone who goes out there bare naked, and clothes are certainly the most important piece of survival gear around here, and I don't know anyone who doesn't know absolutely anything about anything even remotely useful in the woods.

I'm all for bringing whatever gear you feel like bringing. I'm also all for sometimes going with pretty much nothing beyond clothes, because that's going to teach you a few things - and if it doesn't teach you anything, then you certainly don't need all the gear in the first place, and can rest assured you'll be pretty fine in all but the most FUBAR'd of situations especially when you do bring your gear. :)

It's like those geography exams back in school. Sure, you could do it with a world atlas, but they don't let you bring one, do they. No, they want you to remember all that stuff for when you don't have that atlas.

I don't see it as proving anything - it's to me more like getting slightly more in touch with what life was like for the ancestors of our ancestors, a long time ago. Generally, I don't believe people should do things they feel uncomfortable doing. So, if you don't want to go anywhere without a PSK, don't do it. You'll sleep better knowing you're prepared. On the other hand, if you do feel like going on a hike without much in the way of gear, and have actual reason to believe you can pull it off, go for it. If it hurts, that'll learn you. If it doesn't hurt, at least you had a fun time.


My concern in general, especially for the folks asking what basic gear should they slim down to, is that it might not just hurt, it might kill. I am very comfortable with my skills in the woods, thou the last few years I have found a lot of more knowledgable people out there doing this in a much smarter when then the way I had been, but I have been in and around the woods solo for 38 years now. But as comfortable as I am out in the woods, I am surely not going to recommend to anyone not to carry the basics. Why would you? We are after all talking about someone asking a question, and while you probably answered honestly, would you tell that to anyone? Without knowing their skillset?

And I am not saying that someone couldnt make it with the gear, I am saying should they? Yes I can make a fire without a MagStick or firesteel. Do I want to if I am injured and alone in the woods of the beaten path? Nope. I can make it without a FAK, do I want to out in the bush? Nope.

People like Les Stroud, Allen "Bow" Beauchamp, Doug Ritter, Ron Hood, Jeff Randall, the list goes on and on.... all recommend a basic degree of equipment be carried when heading out.
 
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Here is my Minimun Gear:

Tarp & Hammock / Poncho
Sleeping Blanket / Bag
2 -32 oz Water Bottles
Metal Mug / Cooking pot
Sturdy Fixed Blade Knife
Ferrocerium Rod / FireSteel
 
I gotta say Andy, I'm a little concerned about your list, considering 'female companion' was not listed anywhere. That pretty much only leaves trees and squirrels...

LOL. Maybe the condoms are for carrying water....

:o


Squirrels are hot.:p
 
Here is my Minimun Gear:

Tarp & Hammock / Poncho
Sleeping Blanket / Bag
2 -32 oz Water Bottles
Metal Mug / Cooking pot
Sturdy Fixed Blade Knife
Ferrocerium Rod / FireSteel

Cool list mine is very similiar here in the desert:

Camelback
Canteen cup with canteen
PSK (Tinder, water tabs, ect)
Manix
Leatherman
poncho with liner
lighter
Fenix light
Glock 27
 
The gear people choose to carry in the bush is totally personal, but IMO, no matter what else you carry, if you don't have some kind of edged tool and a source of ignition, you are not prepared.

With a knife or hatchet you can make a fire and shelter, and with that you should be able to make do. If you don't have a knife, how do you expect to make shelter if you are stranded? IMO you should even carry more than that at the minimum, like some tinder, plastic sheeting, and cordage.

Seriously, there is such a thing as "minimalist", but it is a different matter from "unprepared", no matter what level of skill you have. SAR techs go missing sometimes even when they ARE prepared. I am no expert, I won't tell you what I think you need to survive in the bush... but you definitely need more than day clothes and your bare hands.
 
This summer I'm planning a pretty minimalist ocean kayaking trip to last 3-10 days.

My packing list:
~Kayak
~Paddle
~One change of clothes
~2 Marine Radios, Cell Phone, Whistle, Flares, First Aid Kit, and PSK only to be opened in an emergency
~17" HI CAK
~Handmade little knife

I'm not 100% sure I'll go with it as planned, but that's what I'm aiming for right now.
 
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When I have an impromtu stroll back into the woods behind my home, I have at least a knife and something to start a fire (I usually have these on me anyway). Obviously I carry more when having a more substantial outing.
 
The gospel is maintain 98.6, hydration, get back to help, defend yourself.

To that end

Just dumped out my daypack I keep in the car or truck. It goes with me where I go.

1. Goretex rain suit (warm if the temp drops) with water proof hat

2. bottled water (rotate monthly)

3. stainless billy pot, nestled plastic cup

4. U.S. issue poncho (makes a quick rain coat, ground cover, emergency shelter)

5. 90 gallon contractor plastic bag

6. AeroMedic pocket survival kit

7. wind proof lighter, fire piston, Light My Fire firesteel

8. toilet paper

9. space blanket

10. 3 days of my prescription meds (rotated monthly)

11. BRK&T Bravo 1 with BRK&T PSK knife piggy backed

12. 2 filter drinking straws

13. ziplock bag with tea bags, energy bars, hard candy, snacks

14. one MRE

Sounds like alot but it is surprisingly light in a good pack. Combine that pack with my Glock, Scorpion light, and pocket knife I always carry. Plus a coat is it is cold enough.

;)
 
I like to take a knife (of course) and some fire gear, and a waterproof jacket. That's kind of my minimum. You would have to be pretty foolish here not to bring at least some gear on a short trip...the weather is too unpredictable and if you wore clothes appropriate for hiking at some random point during the day, you would be pretty well guaranteed to be miserable at some point later on. So you need to have at least some ability to layer up or down here where I live.

Do you need a knife? Probably not 100% of the time, but I take one. What the heck.

As far as fire goes...well, no, you might not need that either. But it doesn't hurt, does it?

Most recent hike for me was a couple of weeks ago. I went about two miles into the forest on Vancouver Island and went fishing at an isolated rocky beach. I took a bit of food, a range of clothing, a knife and fire gear, and my fishing stuff. That was plenty. When I started the hike it was 22 degrees celsius, calm, and sunny. When I got to the beach it was 5 degrees, blowing at maybe 40 km/h, and threatening to rain. An hour later, it was sunny again, but still windy and cold. To stay out there I needed a sweater, a rain jacket, and wool pants. Now how fun would it be to hike in that gear at 22 degrees? So naturally I needed a good pack to carry the gear when I wasn't wearing it.

If I'd been going overnight, I would have had a tarp (not interested in sleeping in the rain thanks!) a sleeping bag (because it would definitely have been below zero overnight, and windy as well as wet) and more food and water, because I'm only out there to enjoy myself, after all. I would probably have a book and a flashlight too, because I like to read.


I think that's about the minimum. If something went really wrong, like for instance if I broke my ankle, I'm sure I could crawl far enough back to get myself out. If something went REALLY REALLY wrong, like I broke my back, well, I guess I'd have to make a fire and hope for rescue. If something went ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLY WRONG, like a massive worldwide zombie outbreak...I guess I'd be screwed. You can't plan for everything, you know!
 
First, I must admit, I don’t think of my “essentials” as single items, but more of an area of importance and categories. For me (and my family), I make sure we cover the basics, and the concept of the basics is understood. The order really depends on your location and time of season. For some water will be one of their top priorities, whereas in a winter clime with unpredictable weather, shelter will be near the top as would the means to get a fire going. So, there’s been a ton of “essentials” lists posted, in magazines, on websites, etc, but in the end, only the individual heading out can identify his/her essential items needed to mitigate becoming a bad-ending survival story; these are my basics regardless of a day hike, weekend or exteneded backpacking trip. Again, these are “my” essentials, and some items will differ from a lot of other people out there. I just thought I would spell out my reasoning and categories for my “top 10” essentials.

1. Appropriate Clothing

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Many essential lists have “layered” clothing, some list rain gear, etc. I know there are some regions where you can hike from snow to 90+ degree temperatures in one day (Wenatchee, WA comes to mind). So, given that most people are not so spontaneous as to run out of the shower in their birthday suit directly out into the desert, swamps or mountains; most understand that you need to don appropriate clothing. In colder climates or times of the year, layers work best. Plus you’ll want to avoid cotton. In rainy seasons or parts of the country, a rain jacket is a wise addition. Likewise, if heading out in the blistering sun of Arizona or SW Texas, a good hat and long sleeves are prudent measures. So, other than “dressing for the occasion”, I still like to add some constant companions.

- Wind or rain jacket (I’ve become quite fond of the Soft Shells plus they’re light)
- Hat; handy for several reasons from retaining heat to protection from sunburn
- Gloves; prudent protection from the environment and keeping your digits protected
- Sunglasses; my eyes are important to my survival, I plan to keep them well protected
- Decent footwear; anything that provides adequate support and you can walk comfortably in
- Watch; it’s a just a part of my daily dress, so it’s something that I’ve included

2. Knife/Tool

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For me, a knife is essential; however, I know there are many that would argue it’s not as important as shelter, water or fire; different strokes for different folks. I list knife AND tool and most of us would argue the advantages of a fixed bladed knife over a folder but not all scenarios or personalities lend themselves to this preferred carry. Having a knife or tool is the number one rule…whether it is a Swiss Army Knife, Leatherman or locking folder, having a knife (and of course the skill and knowledge to use it), is half the battle. Since this is more of a discussion on essentials, I don’t want to get bogged down in knife choices and selection, however for me, I typically carry a decent sized (4-5”) fixed blade, locking folder and a SAK or multi-tool of some type. I do believe in redundancy. Furthermore, a small razorblade or mini folder (such as Spyderco’s little Dragonfly or Gerber’s LST) in your Pocket Survival Kit is an additional level of security.

3. Water

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Water is critical as our bodies just won’t function well after a few days without it. Water is an essential, but there are a couple of parts that I’ll identify for my concept of “water” in my essentials list.

- Water carrying. This may be anything from a water bottle to a Camelback.
- Acquiring water. If you have a water source and a small cup, water bottle or Ziploc bag, it’s relatively easy to acquire water. Of course, there are other methods such as using a couple of clear garbage bags (which I keep a few in my daypack) for transpiration-collection. After attempting a solar still once, I don’t think it’s worth the effort…as my Battalion Commander says, “the juice just isn’t worth the squeeze”.
- Water filtration/purification. This is an integral part of hydration. I’m a big believer in redundancy, but your activities will dictate what you can physically carry. You may not be able to carry a full sized filter, but a few Potable Aqua tablets or a few of the Katadyn chlorine tablets. If you’re in an area where there’s a lot of sediment and detritus in the water some type of prefilter is advisable, such as an ***-rag or coffee filters. Personally, even on day hikes, I will carry a filter; Polar Pure is my primary backup and I have about a dozen of Potable Aqua tablets in a small vial in my PSK. Purifying by boiling is another method; of course a container is quite helpful. I know you can improvise with a cotton duct hat or folded bark/woven leaves and hot rocks, but a simple steel or tin can goes a long ways to efficient collection and boiling. More to follow on the steel cup.

4. Fire

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Fire can be both an essential life saver and major morale booster. Not only does it provide necessary heat in colder weather, it can act as a signal for rescue-searchers. I think most of us understand the importance, but I want to address the redundancy for fire making. Of course there is the ignition source, whether it’s a Bic lighter, fire-steel, match or even a magnifying lense and you need to make sure you carry a couple of different sources for backup. Next is the ignition fuel source. I know cottonballs and Vaseline are popular and one of my primary choices, but I also like the Sparklite tinder bundles, trioxane fuel bars, waxed paper and a piece of fatwood that I can make shavings from. Throw in a couple of tea light candles, and you have a decent fire-starting package. I mentioned redundancy, and if you go back to how you carry gear in “lines”, where Line One is your EDC and what you always have with you, I like to carry a lighter and a small ferro rod. In my PSK, I have a Sparklite and a few bundles of tinder along with a Fresnel lens. In my daypack, I’ll carry another lighter, matches and my Vaseline cottonballs along with a few bars of trioxane and a small candle or a few tea-light candles.

5. Shelter + Cordage

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Part of my EDC is a few hanks of braided 550 paracord in my cargo pocket, so that’s always with me. Shelter can be made from a man made cover such as a tarp, garbage bag or could be constructed with vegetation (and some 550 paracord comes in handy for some shelter types). I usually keep my “shelter” and about 40-50 feet of 550 paracord together and it doesn’t take up much room. A simple large garbage bag is easy to add to a coat pocket or even a couple in a day pack. Inside my Camelback Ambush, I have a couple of large garbage bags and a small Silicone impregnated nylon tarp with about 30 feet of 550 paracord.

6. Illumination/Signaling

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I know most top ten essentials list a flashlight as a separate item. With the new LED flashlights with the various modes of operation, that illumination tool can easily double as a signaling tool. Given that your essentials are there for a significant purpose, I see the ability to signal in a survival situation as extremely important. There are visual and sound-based methods and devices, some geared for darkness (i.e. strobe) and some during sunlight hours (such as a signal mirror). Again, I like a little redundancy, but you can also have dual use items, such as a programmable LED light that has a strobe function. So, for my package of illumination and signaling, I have a couple of LED lights (Fenix, Novatac) that also incorporate a strobe function. A whistle and a signal mirror are excellent companions for the signaling group. More common additions are Walk-about FRS/GMRS radios and cell phones…both are great additions if traveling in groups or alone, but don’t ever forget the basics.

7. First Aid Kit / Skin Protection

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I don’t want to go into the whole First Aid kit composition, but most standard, small backpacking kits are more than adequate and as long as they leave a little room for additional times, such as prescription drugs, you are more prepared than most. I usually like the larger 2X3” Band-Aids, Burn-Gel, and extra mole skin. Although most kits are geared towards scrapes and minor burns, if you have room (and appropriate training), you can expand to cover more severe wounds. This is an essentials kit, so don’t make it so large that you leave it behind; it’s all about balance. A couple of additions to this category are items you sometimes see separately, and those are sunscreen, insect repellent and Chapstick (I prefer Burt’s Bees). These are all essential in most areas if you’re planning on spending a lot of time out in the elements or in areas with a lot of blood sucking insects, and a little tube of each is compact enough to throw in the kit.

8. Navigation

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Depending on your activities, navigational tools may be much higher on your priority listing, although a map of your area and compass should always be an essential part if you’re planning anything outdoors. I personally keep an Suunto M9 wrist compass on me at all times, and if I’m doing any hiking, I’ll have a regular base-compass in a pocket. Maps are more useful with a compass, but even a compass alone can keep one from going in circles, staying on track or help to dog-leg a non-passable area. I also like the GPS, but I don’t think you should dump the compass entirely…again, a little redundancy, but always think simplicity…the compass doesn’t use batteries.

9. Metal Cup

I like listing the metal cup as a separate item. I know it’s hard to think about throwing a cup in your pocket, but if you have a small waist pack or Camelback, it’s a simple process to use a snap link and attach one to your belt loop. I prefer stainless, but aluminum or titanium will work; avoid the double wall mugs as you can’t use them directly in the fire for boiling. I have several and there are several to choose from. A metal cup can be used to signal (preferably stainless steel), dig, boil/purify water, serves as container to collect nuts, berries, it can be used to cook in…there are a ton of uses for a good metal cup, hence, it’s in my “top-10” essentials.

10. Self-Defense/Protection

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I’m a little torn for my number 10. I always bring trail snacks, even for day hikes, and I usually have a Clif-bar or two stashed in the bottom of my Camelback, fanny-pack or shoulder bag. For a 72-48 hour scenario, food isn’t really that critical, UNLESS, you’re in a severe climate where calories mean life or death. For most situations, shelter, water, a fire and appropriate clothing will get you through the first few days without too much harm. Hence, I’ve opted for something that is a little more important to me.

Survival can mean many things to many people and I’ve always felt comfortable with a self-defense item, whether it is a hiking stick, Mace or a CCW-firearm. This category isn’t a survival hunting weapon; this is something you have to provide yourself protection from both two-legged and four-legged critters. I’ve had my close calls and scares to where I’ve just accepted this category as one of my “top 10” essentials…I know some won’t agree, but then that’s why I called it “my” top-ten essentials. For me, a knife is more tool than weapon; sure it can be used effectively, but I like to keep threats at a distance and a hiking staff is an excellent choice and more prefered over a knife. There are commercial versions or hand made versions. Not only does a hiking stick provide stability on rough trails or off-trail, it can be an effective weapon to keep snakes, dogs or other aggressive critters at bay. For a backup, I like a CCW, and it fills that niche well and can even be used to signal or hunt game if in a real dire situation. If you’re in an area where CCW is unauthorized and you’re trying to obey the idiotic laws, pepper spray is a good distance-weapon alternative. For any of the above, a little training goes a long way, even with a walking stick.

So, there’s my ramblings from an evening I spent in Iraq last year. I’ve seen posts come up on the ubiquitous “10 essentials” and most backpacking or outdoors websites and publications have there list…but this list is a very personal thing. The top 7-8 are pretty common, but there are always a couple that are very personal in nature and fill the need of that particular individual.

I thought of another area, but it’s not really part of my “essentials” I do have it as part of my EDC and in kit-form for my day pack. A repair kit; sure my PSK has some thread, dental floss, needles, small role of duct tape (and I carry a flat role in my back pocket as well), but it does need mentioning. So, a little Shoe-goo (or other silicone adhesive/sealant), sewing kit (needles, heavy thread, safety pins), duct/100mph tape and few zip-ties can be in a compact package in your waist pack, Camelback or day pack and can handle most of your field repair needs.

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Make your essentials “yours”; make them as much a part of your EDC as you can…habits can be good things if you make carrying them routine regardless if you’re going on a day hike or going to the convenient store. Use your items and know what they are capable of and if they can pull double-duty!!!! I’ve carried stuff before that was never used…they were eventually dropped or replaced with another item that could do double duty. Find out what works for you and develop your own system to ensure you have these essentials on your or within reach at all times. Being prepared takes some preparation, but it’s more of mindset and attitude than a pocket full of items.

ROCK6
 
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Not long ago my girlfriend told me about a place called the "Moonlight Bunny Ranch" that she wanted to go to.

"Sure!" I said, "that would be awesome. Any time you like."

"What do you think it would be like?" she asked.

"Probably expensive, but I guess the chicks are pretty hot," I said.

"Oh," she said, and looked confused for a bit.

"It's a whorehouse," I said.

"Oh," she said. "I thought it was just bunnies."

Erin...she just loves bunnies.
 
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