Minimum gear?

Minimum gear for a day hike would include:

1)Approperiate Clothing and foot wear.
2) Water 1-4L depending on where and how far I am going.
3) Knife, usually a small fixed blade 4" as a minimum, but I usually have a couple of knives and a multitool.
4) LED Headlamp
5) Small Survival kit ( fire, meds/first aid)
6) Food for the day or a couple of protein bars.

After this list, I will start adding more gear if need be and depending on what I plan on doing.
 
The minumum I ever go with is,
1. One hand fireman
2. Firesteel
I usually wear a light sweater in the begining and tie it around my waist when it gets too hot. About people not taking a knife, that is really dumb (no offence) a SAK or other folder takes up no weight at all but is invaluable. I just cant enjoy the woods without at least a knife. There are alot of fresh water lakes around the areas I hike so there is no need to lug around a canteen and there are also lots of berries, nuts and other goodies lying around. BC is heaven when its not raining.


BTW, This "list" is for short dayhikes up to 14 hours in mild summer weather, If I plan on spending the night and setting up camp etc. I have alot more gear on me.
 
Rock6 great response and explanation. good pics, and thats a real solid gear selection bro. Is that a marathon watch? Gotta love em dude. I have alot of the same gear.
 
1 -- appropriate clothing, including footwear and hat. In my area, that means long pants, long sleeves, boots and socks, sunscreen, normal pocket stuff like chapstick, handkerchief, and wallet.
2 -- water. I usually take at least 2 litres, and share with the dog, since I usually hike with her.
3 -- knife.
4 -- walking stick, but I can make that on most hikes with the knife. Just prefer to start with one.
5 -- pistol. .38 fits right in the pocket. .22 or 9mm on the belt. .22 is cool, cause I can carry 50 rounds in one pocket without even making myself uncomfortable. Thinking about getting a little S&W 34 for hiking -- then the .22 will fit in the pocket.

I can get by with that. I usually have a belt pouch with a few things in it, like meds, first aid, a little food, compass. Some days, even a waistpack or day pack, but if I'm going on a short to day long hike, I would be comfortable, even happy, with that list. Shelter, fire, even the hiking stick, the knife has covered. Food, I'd be forced to pop a rabbit or bird with the pistol (or cut a throwing stick with the knife and knock him down with it), start a fire with the knife, make a stick to hold him over the fire with the knife, clean him and prep for cooking with the knife, and then cut him up and eat him with the knife.
 
Not long ago my girlfriend told me about a place called the "Moonlight Bunny Ranch" that she wanted to go to.

"Sure!" I said, "that would be awesome. Any time you like."


"What do you think it would be like?" she asked.

"Probably expensive, but I guess the chicks are pretty hot," I said.

"Oh," she said, and looked confused for a bit.

"It's a whorehouse," I said.

"Oh," she said. "I thought it was just bunnies."

Erin...she just loves bunnies.

LMAO!!! :D :D
 
Rock6 great response and explanation. good pics, and thats a real solid gear selection bro. Is that a marathon watch? Gotta love em dude. I have alot of the same gear.

Yeah, it was my redeployment gift to myself:D I was able to work a GSA price for it...absolutley love the GSAR!

ROCK6
 
Hi all, for my kit I carry a shoulder sling type kit. Here is the pic.

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Here is the contents. This is what the water bottle holder carries.

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This is what the survival pouch holds and the Knives that I made for it.

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I carry on the out side of the pouch a knife that I made called the
Kelly knife and in the pouch I carry one of the PSKKs
( Personal Survival Kit Knife ) that I make also. Two fixed blade knives
The one on the out side is used for my bush craft use and the PSKK knife
is used for mainly food prep. This kit goes with me every where Atv, car ,truck, I just sling it and go. If I just go out for a walk down the road
( I live on a farm ) or to a city or state park it goes. My kit is less than
9 pounds and is so easy to stow away while driving it rest just behind my feet.

Now if for some reason I were to get seperated from my little pack I have
another every day carry system that is on my belt. Here is the pics for it.
This little pouch rides next to one of the knives I make. I switch around
from my 5" bladed Pathfinder to my 5" PSKK to a 5" Spooky Spear Point that
I made up last Friday and have been carring since. Just depends on my mood.

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Some times when I am in town I will carry like this little knife and sheath
next to my little belt pouch. The knife is just a hair under 3" and is one
of my PSKKs.

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As soon as I can get a orange sheath made up for my neck knife the
L.R.K. ( Last Resort Knife )I will start to carry it and a fire steel that will
be on the sheath also. Knife and fire you can do a lot with that. Here is
a pic of my neck knife the L.R.K.

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With a my shoulder sling kit, my belt carry, my hiking stick, hat, gloves,and the clothes on my back plus my soon to carry L.R.K neck knife I feel
pretty good about being prepared.


Happy Trails

Bryan
 
My concern in general, especially for the folks asking what basic gear should they slim down to, is that it might not just hurt, it might kill. I am very comfortable with my skills in the woods, thou the last few years I have found a lot of more knowledgable people out there doing this in a much smarter when then the way I had been, but I have been in and around the woods solo for 38 years now. But as comfortable as I am out in the woods, I am surely not going to recommend to anyone not to carry the basics. Why would you? We are after all talking about someone asking a question, and while you probably answered honestly, would you tell that to anyone? Without knowing their skillset?

And I am not saying that someone couldnt make it with the gear, I am saying should they? Yes I can make a fire without a MagStick or firesteel. Do I want to if I am injured and alone in the woods of the beaten path? Nope. I can make it without a FAK, do I want to out in the bush? Nope.

People like Les Stroud, Allen "Bow" Beauchamp, Doug Ritter, Ron Hood, Jeff Randall, the list goes on and on.... all recommend a basic degree of equipment be carried when heading out.

Well, dying most often hurts, though not always. So I'd kinda bunch the whole dying thing in with being hurt to various degrees.

I didn't read the opening post as asking what he should carry at minimum, though. I read it like he wrote it. He asked what would be the minimum gear I would take along on a day hike or an overnight, and I replied. I dislike lying, especially when I have no sensible reason to lie.

So, why would I lie about what I would carry as a minimum? For someone's safety? Whose? If someone is willing to chance their life on the words of a guy on the Internet that they've never seen in person and don't know even by name, then perhaps it would not be cruel and unrealistic to suggest that the premature, accidental death of that someone is a statistical certainty and cannot be avoided even by the soundest of advice. So, yes, I would, and did, tell what I consider to be my minimum gear for simple day hikes or overnights in familiar terrain. I'm not going to lie about my thoughts for the safety of the general public. If I went on that road, soon I'd have to start proclaiming that knives without guards and folders without locks are fatal instruments of death that no reasonable human should ever use, lest they risk their safety and that of their loved ones in most horrifying ways. :)

I'm not recommending people to not carry "basic" gear. I'm recommending carrying whatever they feel is right for them. On top of that, I only suggest, for those who consider themselves experienced and reasonably skilled and who are interested in such things, to occasionally try going with pretty much nothing except clothes in familiar terrain. It's not something you should do if you feel like you're going to hurt yourself, or if you feel terrified at the thought. It is, though, something that will certainly feel different and may prove a great experience and a valuable lesson.

I'm not saying that people should always make do with minimal gear. I'm saying that it would be very good if they had skills enough so that they could, if the situation calls for it. And that's hard to achieve without actually practicing it. Which brings me to this post by Khalnath..

The gear people choose to carry in the bush is totally personal, but IMO, no matter what else you carry, if you don't have some kind of edged tool and a source of ignition, you are not prepared.

With a knife or hatchet you can make a fire and shelter, and with that you should be able to make do. If you don't have a knife, how do you expect to make shelter if you are stranded? IMO you should even carry more than that at the minimum, like some tinder, plastic sheeting, and cordage.

Seriously, there is such a thing as "minimalist", but it is a different matter from "unprepared", no matter what level of skill you have. SAR techs go missing sometimes even when they ARE prepared. I am no expert, I won't tell you what I think you need to survive in the bush... but you definitely need more than day clothes and your bare hands.

Prepared is a matter of opinion, of course. I'll chime in with mine. I can make fire without a knife or a hatchet, in a number of weather conditions over here where I'm "at home" and familiar with the terrain and weather. I can certainly make shelter without anything beyond my bare hands in the way of tools. Actually, I find it amazing that someone could think it impossible or near so to build shelter without a knife. I mean, you do have your hands, do you not? You can use them for all kinds of things, from breaking some nice conifer branches to plain digging in snow or soft earth, or making a quick tool for the task. Sure, I couldn't build a log cabin with my bare hands, but then, my idea of shelter isn't as lofty as that. And besides, your most important shelter should always be your clothes. If you've chosen them right, you should be able to survive for prolonged periods of time in your present environment without fire or any further shelter. So, don't choose them wrong, and you'll save yourself a lot of work.

And fire, what do we need fire for? For cooking, certainly, or warming or drying. But if you've brought the right kind of food or are not staying long, why should you need to cook at the fire? If you've brought the right clothes, why should you need to warm up? Indeed.

The most revealing sentence of all, though, was this: "I am no expert, I won't tell you what I think you need to survive in the bush... but you definitely need more than day clothes and your bare hands."

That, my friends, is the modern, urban man speaking. The man who has been, perhaps by no fault of his own because his parents took his choice from him, so violently cut from his natural environment that he doesn't understand it quite as he should anymore.

If we - humans - really absolutely needed more than clothes and bare hands to survive in the bush, then we would not be having this discussion, because the human race would have been wiped out before our little civilization got started. Because, you know, we're not born with computers and knives and cars and television sets. It took a long time for man to invent anything that could be claimed to resemble a modern knife, or even fire. And still man survived. If it was impossible to do, then we wouldn't be here today.

I mean no offense with that - it's simply something to think about. Man conquered the world with his mind and hands, and made all else that he could use with those two things. That's the bottom line, because history says so.

Phew, that was long. Sorry about that, guys. I'm just trying, and likely not succeeding very well, to explain my original reply. I didn't think it would be considered a recommendation, as the original question was about our (that is to say yours and mine and everyone else's) individual minimum gear choices. Didn't think answering a question honestly would turn into a national security issue. :D
 
For local day hikes, I carry a SAK, granola bar/orange, compass and map (if on unfamiliar land), water, lighter, my camera sometimes (depends on location), and my dog. I always end up packing too much for overnights, so I won't go into detail about that. I found I only really need or use those itmes listed, I can improvise anything else is I have to.
 
Hey Elen,

At the risk of becoming unpopular, I have to agree with you. When I read the opening post, my first response is "just what I'm wearing", but in retrospect that would be disingenuous because I EDC a Vic Spirit, Benchmade AFCK, Buck 271, Doan mag bar, Fox 40, Bic lighter, Fenix L2D (thanks Rock) and about 35 feet of 550 cord.

I can make shelter and fire without any of the above but, like a lot of others here, I just like the man toys and, of course, it would certainly make things easier if I needed shelter and fire.

And fire, what do we need fire for? For cooking, certainly, or warming or drying. But if you've brought the right kind of food or are not staying long, why should you need to cook at the fire? If you've brought the right clothes, why should you need to warm up? Indeed.

Coincidentally, even though I have made fire with matches, lighters, ferro rods, mag bars, flint and steel, bow drill and hand drill, most of the time I can't be bothered making a fire.

I went winter camping for a weekend, a few years back with a bunch of people and decided that to make things easier, I wouldn't bother cooking, so I went to my local pizza shop and ordered a large pizza and asked the woman to cut it up into squares, which she did. I wrapped each square in tin foil, planning on sitting it by the fire to unthaw/warm it up.

The temperature at night went to -18C (about 0F for those of you who aren't bilingual :( ) The pizza didn't freeze! :D so I ate it as is. (I had plenty of warm clothing so the cooling effect wasn't an issue.) The team leader sitting on his homemade gear sled, cooking his food in a bailed can over the fire while smoking his pipe, just shook his head. :o

Years ago I used to do the big outdoor cooking thing, but anymore, I find it to be a PITA.(how's that for relevancy? :D) I would much rather be exploring down by the creek/river/lake/swamp, or making cordage, or carving trap parts, etc. or even just doing nothing. I have spent a bit of time thinking of ways to minimize cooking efforts.

One other thing, although I don't completely dislike sitting around a fire at night, I find that doing so shuts out a lot of what's going on around you - noises in the night, etc., although according to the 'do you get scared camping solo' thread, maybe that's a good thing. :D


So, in your defense, Elen, you did not counsel people to go hiking with no back up gear, rather you addressed the opening post of the minimum amount you would take, and you made the point that too many people rely on gear rather than skills, which I wholeheartedly agree with, although, damn, I like my toys. :o

Doc
 
i think Elen is about 3/4 right.

Most times this subject comes up on a survival forum, its all about the toys. Most people go overboard with the survival thing to a ridiculous point. Once you learn to make fire and shelter and basic first aid, you don't need that much gear. Half the stuff you need should be in your pockets all of the time anyway. Knife, fire sourse or two, and know how to make a basic debris hut does not take multiple fixed blades, axes, and 50 feet of paracord. If you have an Altoids size PSK your way ahead of the game.

A small daypack with some contractor size trash bags and a pre-packaged disposable plastic drop cloth from the paint department at Walmart about the size of a paperback novel, and a ball of jute twine will see you through a chilly night just fine. Some hard candy or Snickers bars for suger, a few tea bags and a canteen cup. Once you have a wind and water proof shelter and fire, you can sit it out a few days with no problem.

Of course all that is assuming you've dressed for the season and weather.
All the gear in the world is no cure for stupididity.
 
If the season is spring/summer and the weather looks fine I'd want to stay light for a day trek. Having a lot of gear is exciting in the preparation but the novelty of lugging a load around soon wears off...

Small pack, drink,snack,lighter,Vic Farmer,belt knife,whistle,binoculars and something I now can't bear to leave home without an all season survival blanket.This packs down very small, weighs little and COULD be useful if you got caught out for the night due to injury or bad luck.
 
Well, dying most often hurts, though not always. So I'd kinda bunch the whole dying thing in with being hurt to various degrees.

I didn't read the opening post as asking what he should carry at minimum, though. I read it like he wrote it. He asked what would be the minimum gear I would take along on a day hike or an overnight, and I replied. I dislike lying, especially when I have no sensible reason to lie.

You make a good point about the OP's question. I wouldn't want anyone to lie in this forum. That would be disingenuous, because people reading here expect posters to be speaking from experience, with a few grains of salt of course. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I don't think what you said has value. I hope you are not taking my rather argumentative personal style of discourse personally. It is not intended that way.

Prepared is a matter of opinion, of course. I'll chime in with mine. I can make fire without a knife or a hatchet, in a number of weather conditions over here where I'm "at home" and familiar with the terrain and weather. I can certainly make shelter without anything beyond my bare hands in the way of tools. Actually, I find it amazing that someone could think it impossible or near so to build shelter without a knife. I mean, you do have your hands, do you not? You can use them for all kinds of things, from breaking some nice conifer branches to plain digging in snow or soft earth, or making a quick tool for the task. Sure, I couldn't build a log cabin with my bare hands, but then, my idea of shelter isn't as lofty as that.

What you are describing is not preparedness, but the skillset needed to make do when you /aren't/ prepared. Being prepared means bringing the stuff with you that you will need. You can certainly build shelter and a fire without tools. (Well, I'll take your word for it that YOU can. I can't.) However, no matter how much experience you have, it will still be much faster WITH tools. Even if you are capable of doing without, if you find yourself lost, cold, and wet due to an accident, you'll be really glad you brought your SAK, 10' of paracord, and a firesteel.

And besides, your most important shelter should always be your clothes. If you've chosen them right, you should be able to survive for prolonged periods of time in your present environment without fire or any further shelter. So, don't choose them wrong, and you'll save yourself a lot of work.

I agree 110% about the importance of clothing.

And fire, what do we need fire for? For cooking, certainly, or warming or drying. But if you've brought the right kind of food or are not staying long, why should you need to cook at the fire? If you've brought the right clothes, why should you need to warm up? Indeed.

I partly agree with you on this. However, if you're bringing just the clothes on your back, and you planned for a day hike, what happens if you get lost and/or stranded overnight? A firesteel and a SAK take up much less space and weight than an extra sweater. The name of the game is "what if".

The most revealing sentence of all, though, was this: "I am no expert, I won't tell you what I think you need to survive in the bush... but you definitely need more than day clothes and your bare hands."

That, my friends, is the modern, urban man speaking. The man who has been, perhaps by no fault of his own because his parents took his choice from him, so violently cut from his natural environment that he doesn't understand it quite as he should anymore.

This is an ad hominem argument, a very common logical fallacy. It has no bearing on our current discussion. Nonetheless, you are correct in your assessment that I don't get out in the bush nearly as much as I would like. However, YOU are just as much a product of the modern age, as is everyone else reading this thread ON THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN. Our ancestors once survived in the wild without even clothing. They would be a far cry from modern humans, though. What is it that elevated modern humanity above that, and made us the dominant species on Earth? Tools! I am not arguing in favor of the Gear-Fu mindset. I acknowledge that I am guilty of it at times, but I'm doing my best to wean myself. Seriously though, regardless of whatever other gear you choose to carry, you need a damned knife in the bush, even if it's a SAK.

Didn't think answering a question honestly would turn into a national security issue. :D

What did you expect? I'm a foreign national! ;)
 
No question that it is possible to survive in places that humans evolved to live in without any tools! Of course lots of places weren't populated until after some tools were developed, and I would guess it's pretty hard to find any people, anywhere, no matter how beneficial the climate, who don't bother making tools at all!

Now how comfortable you will be in severely inclement weather...that's another story.

It's not hard to build a rudimentary shelter with no tools. It's a lot easier with tools. I guess you could save the couple of ounces by leaving your knife at home, but why? Unless, I suppose, you have issues with knives...

In my experience, you can be relatively comfortable with any two of the following: good shelter (including clothes,) the right food, a fire. I haven't had a lot of luck using only one, or none.

For example:

Pouring rain, even with the right clothes, is only tolerable if you don't have to do much. If you have a five day heavy hike out in a major downpour, and you aren't set up for fire, you will be miserable most of the time. Very quickly, even the best gore-tex in the world wets right out, and you get soaked. Granted, if you have a couple of good, hydrophobic insulating layers, and the ability to swap out your clothes any time you stop moving, you can deal with it pretty well, unless the food is no good, at which point it just isn't fun anymore.



Honestly heavy rains and high wind is the worst set of conditions I've ever run across. Another bad one is heavy, wet snowfall on a thin skim of ice after an ice storm. Man, that's pretty tough. Movement is very, very slow and extreme care is required all the time. I spent a whole day once climbing down from a fairly small hill - maybe 300m tall (~1400 feet) at the most, in sight of my truck the whole time. The entire distance was about a kilometer, about 650 yards. It took me eleven hours. The day before it had been cold and dry, sunny, maybe ten below, as it had been for a couple of weeks. Then, late in the day, it warmed up to just above freezing, and rained for about an hour. Naturally the ground was frozen, and everything was covered in very smooth ice. Then, overnight, there was a dump of snow. Well, in the morning, you could barely walk anywhere on the hill. When I got down to the bottom of the hill, which took about half the day, I thought I was home free, until I realized the boggy alpine meadow I had to cross had a bunch of little slow creeks running across it, each with a bit of ice on top. On the way in this had been no problem, because I could see where they were. Now, with everything under a foot of snow which was drifted around by the wind as it fell, I couldn't see a thing. I had to poke along in front of me like a blind man with a cane to find the creeks!

Anyway, the point is, you don't need much most of the time. You occasionally need some pretty good gear to live, and you frequently need a few choice items to enjoy yourself.
 
I too like my toys and Elen reminds us that being prepared is just as much about skill, using your noggin and keeping the right attitude along with being calm in a crisis to just stop and think.

I've been many places in this world and I still run across amazing stories within the military community. My new boss relayed his story about his vacation in Thailand with his Korean wife along with his good friend and his wife. They were vacationing during their Christmas break in 2004 just as the Indian Ocean quake and the following tsunami occurred. His story is absolutely amazing and he talks about being prepared ALL the time. Again, all situations are different, but his he, his wife and the other couple were literally running from the incoming flooding. After the initial shock, they were all involved in recovery and basic first aid to those that were injured.

Mental preparation is probably the first and foremost "basic essential"; second would be skill and training; lastly, having those basic tools and equipment that makes "surviving" more tolerable, more efficient and provides you more options CAN make a difference for some, but don't rely on the tools only.

Good post BTW!

ROCK6
 
Couldnt agree w/ you more rock6, Its all about having the knowlage and intestinal fortitude to drive on through any situation. Having the right gear, ready and accesable
in good service doesnt hurt either. If you dont have the brainpower to put it to good use, and keep your wits intact, might as well hang it up. You can have all the gear in the world and all it will do is leave a well decorated corpse.
 
I don't think anyone has disagreed that knowledge is what will get a person along in the woods, not gear. No one is suggesting that they bring gear to supplant experience/knowledge/confidence/whatever. It's because they have knowledge (ie a brain) that they make sure they always have a precious few basics on their person. If they don't have them they'll still get by, because as in all things it is the "indian, not the arrow" that gets the job done.

I easily equate the question "what basic gear do you bring into the woods?" to a question of "would you rather...". Would you rather go with nothing 'just cuz' and risk a really crappy night(s) or worse, or would you rather have a few ounces worth of items that could drastically improve your condition and odds of survival during a worst-case scenario?

Deciding to go out on a survival adventure of some kind is fine, but that's not why I go on hikes.
 
With regard to the debate between Elen and others in this thread, I think its worth mentioning that Finns are often imbued with a very strong fatalism which is quite foreign to Americans (and to me as well, as an Australian). I think its one of the reasons that they produce so many outstanding race car drivers, particularly rally drivers like Rauno Aaltonen, Juha Kankkunen, Tommi Makinen, Marcus Gronholm etc. I haven't been to Finland but I'm told that guys in the countryside can often be seen driving really, really fast on narrow, slippery roads. Like Elen going out with nothing but the clothes on his back, they know its unsafe and they're taking serious risks but their culturally imbued fatalism means that they do it anyway.
 
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