Moderators please remove malicious baseless and unfair negative feedback

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So, that is what I thought I was doing, asking the powers that be to remove an unjust false and clearly improper feedback.
Again, I will deal with paypal.
Here, I am trying to deal with feedback only.
OH! and respectfully, regular Paypal is just that, NOT the gift or friends and family tab.
 
Rev devil, moderator,
In an attempt to respond to your post on previous page and with the hope of your response to this post.
Please tell me what other avenue of recourse did I have, once the seller refused to take the knife back and sent me a really nasty message with baseless accusations and name calling.
It was either that or let this seller act inappropriately with full impunity.
Please note that I did not leave a feedback until much later and only after the seller left me an unjust and undeserved negative feedback.
If there was another course of action I could have taken, I am unaware of it, and would sincerely appreciate your wisdom on the subjectmatter.
 
Victor how many knives have you purchased here? Please consider giving back to this community by purchasing a gold membership.
 
Okay. Thanks for answer the questions. This transaction is not complete and there will be no transaction once you return the knife and get your money back. Seems to me that the feedback left was retaliatory. Unfortunately you also engaged in retaliatory feedback. You really could have explained the situation better in the beginning and you would have gotten the advice you needed.

So, do what paypal says and get your money back. Then, make a thread asking for the feedback to be removed. This is what you should have done from the start. I don't know if it will be removed as it was retaliatory and the mods and Spark are getting tired of dealing with these situations.
 
rrbruzek said:
I posted as new because it was. I supplied the buyer with the orginal receipt of purchase from knoves shop free. I gave him the link to the knives ship free page that describes the Northwoods presidential knife and its blade rub. I did not lie. I supplied several pictures in the for sale thread so the buyer could see before committing . i lost out on other sales because I was an honest seller and sold to the first post that said they would take it. I provided the buyer with Derrick Bohns number so he could address what he saw as fit and finish defect in the knife. Now the buyer has opened a case from his financial institution and claims that it was unauthorized charge and significantly not as describe item. The buyer has also made a negative malicious review on myself as a buyer .
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Buyer wasn't happy with the item.
Give him his money back, and then you can contact Derrick before you try to sell it again. Get the problem taken care of, and don't just pass it on to the next guy. The dealer won't deal with them anyway, as they will only deal with the original buyer(you).


victor14 said:
So, that is what I thought I was doing, asking the powers that be to remove an unjust false and clearly improper feedback.
Again, I will deal with paypal.
Here, I am trying to deal with feedback only.
OH! and respectfully, regular Paypal is just that, NOT the gift or friends and family tab.
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Glad you didn't use the Gift option, and hope PP sides with you. I'm sure they will.
All of this could've been avoided had he of just given you a refund like he should've.

Hopefully Spark can get the feedback removed, but you will need do as Esav told you in post #2.
Good luck.
 
The other thing you could have done instead of leaving negative retaliatory feedback is start a thread here about this situation. Many good buyers and sellers search here before doing a transaction with someone. They would see that there is a problem with this person and not done business with him. Many folks take the weight of such threads here as more important than the feedback system. You would accomplished the same or more posting here rather than leaving vengeful feedback.
 
Nomo4me said:
So much buying activity but won't pony up for a membership here. And yet cries to mods for help.
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No need for this at all. They have as much right as any of us to ask for help !

Nomo4me said:
Victor how many knives have you purchased here? Please consider giving back to this community by purchasing a gold membership.
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You need to stop this. If he chooses to go Gold he will.
We don't need to be badgering non paying members.
 
The feedback I left was not retaliatory, or vengeful, it was honest and completely factual. I did not leave it sooner, however, as I feel a little uneasy acting in a negative way, e.g. leaving a negative feedback even if it was TOTALLY deserved.
I was just going to resolve it through the third party payer and be done with it after blocking this seller.
I did not even post in this forum for the same reason, the thread was moved here by moderators.

OH, I am also asking the REV DEVIL, moderator to please respond to the post above I addressed to him. I would really appreciate that.
 
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Someone that refuses to refund money, when a buyer is unhappy is stubborn and self-righteous, everyone has a different idea of NIB. Your life should not depend on being right, or one monetary transaction, or being right. In other words take the damn thing back and move on.
 
victor14 said:
The feedback I left was not retaliatory, or vengeful, it was honest and completely factual. I did not leave it sooner, however, as I feel a little uneasy acting in a negative way, e.g. leaving a negative feedback even if it was TOTALLY deserved.
I was just going to resolve it through the third party payer and be done with it after blocking this seller.
I did not even post in this forum for the same reason, the thread was moved here by moderators.

OH, I am also asking the REV DEVIL, moderator to please respond to the post above I addressed to him. I would really appreciate that.
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Okay, admittedly you are going to go through paypal to get your money back and return the knife, right? So, in doing so the transaction would not have been completed. You have your money back and he has his knife back.

Rule 5 in the rules for feedback:

"If a deal did not happen, there is no iTrader Feedback to leave. Sorry if you were inconvenienced, but life is full of disappointments. As long as you are not out any items or money, move along. Consider improving the terms of your sales threads / read the sellers terms carefully in order to avoid this before buying."

So, the way I see it there should have been no feedback left from either of you. Curious to here what Rev think as well. You should have gotten your money back and then asked for the feedback to be removed since there was no transaction. And if you felt you needed to do something else it would have been to post a thread here to warn other members. IMO.
 
WHY are you still posting here and not addressing issue with Spark ? you are covered with paypal, IF you used goods and services and Esav has TOLD you what to do. Do you like the drama or the sound of keys tapping ? Contact Spark and move on. But you too are at fault for leaving neg. feedback because you were upset. Paypal was your ANSWER from the start. Please do not post anything else until you contact Spark, follow Mod advice or stay off forum.




victor14 said:
The feedback I left was not retaliatory, or vengeful, it was honest and completely factual. I did not leave it sooner, however, as I feel a little uneasy acting in a negative way, e.g. leaving a negative feedback even if it was TOTALLY deserved.
I was just going to resolve it through the third party payer and be done with it after blocking this seller.
I did not even post in this forum for the same reason, the thread was moved here by moderators.

OH, I am also asking the REV DEVIL, moderator to please respond to the post above I addressed to him. I would really appreciate that.
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treeshaker said:
WHY are you still posting here and not addressing issue with Spark ? you are covered with paypal, IF you used goods and services and Esav has TOLD you what to do. Do you like the drama or the sound of keys tapping ? Contact Spark and move on. But you too are at fault for leaving neg. feedback because you were upset. Paypal was your ANSWER from the start.
Please do not post anything else until you contact Spark, follow Mod advice or stay off forum.
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1- He wasn't using the quote feature(may not know how), but you can see he was responding to post directed at him. Nothing wrong with that at all. But yes, he does need to address the Feedback issue with Spark as Esav said in post #2.
2- Easy. This isn't W&C after all :)
3- PP wasn't the answer from the start. The seller giving a refund was the answer from the start. His last option was forced, and that should be the last action taken, and not the first.
4- If people stop posting he will, but he has the right to respond to what we post.


Maybe everyone should lay off the buyer for now, and let this thing get resolved :)
The seller is the one in the wrong, and if he had given a refund like he should've the buyer would've had no need to start this thread.
 
Ken44 said:
1- He wasn't using the quote feature(may not know how), but you can see he was responding to post directed at him. Nothing wrong with that at all. But yes, he does need to address the Feedback issue with Spark as Esav said in post #2.
2- Easy. This isn't W&C after all :)
3- PP wasn't the answer from the start. The seller giving a refund was the answer from the start. His last option was forced, and that should be the last action taken, and not the first.
4- If people stop posting he will, but he has the right to respond to what we post.


Maybe everyone should lay off the buyer for now, and let this thing get resolved :)
The seller is the one in the wrong, and if he had given a refund like he should've the buyer would've had no need to start this thread.
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I agree with Ken. It took me asking the OP the same question several times to find out what is going on here. If the OP didn't answer we would never know. However, the OP should not have left feedback for a transaction he is undoing. Get your refund. Ask for the feedback to be removed. Start a thread warning other people if you think it is needed. And yes, the Seller is completely in the wrong and not very smart. Paypal will likely side with the buyer so why not just have him send the knife back and issue the refund? And if paypal was smart they would look at his ads and realize he is trying to use their service incorrectly by asking for gift payments. There is a reason he was on ignore even before this thread.
 
jill jackson said:
I looked at the many threads selling, by the member in question and never did see where he stated PayPal gift.
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Here you go. From the very thread this whole mess is about:

rrbruzek said:
For Sale. No Trades
Paypal only Please send money via Friend/Family to avoid fees, other wise please add the 3.5%
I will pay for shipping to CONUS
All items are new in tube/box
If you want to buy, post on this page and send me an email or PM

Listed from left to right:

1. Schatt & Morgan #69, Stag Handles, ATS 34 clip point blade, Short Run 1 of 100. $75.00

2. Schatt & Morgan 2007 Series XVII Model 042171 Grand Dad Barlow, Red Jigged bone, 1 of 600, Clip point main and Spear point second blade. $110.00

3. Northwoods Knives, Madison Barlow Two blade, Blue Camel Bone, #27, Brown KSF Leather Pouch. $140.00 (this price saves you thirty dollars)

4. Northwoods Knives, Presidential, Mammoth Ivory #58, Black KSF Leather Pouch. SOLD

5. Great Eastern Cutlery 79, Model 792213, Smooth Ivory Bone, short run of 25, Serialized #16, also comes with Certificate of Authenticity. (Hard one to find!) Sold
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...fe-Clean-out!!!-S-amp-M-Northwoods-Knives-GEC
 
Please tell me why the seller would ask for pay pal gift instead of just asking for 3.5% more for the item?

Never mind. I know. So they can screw the buyer.

Why would the buyer pay 3.5% less and use pay pal gift? Never mind.......

Luckily our buyer here did the right thing. That could be a lesson for everyone else. Except every week we hear about a seller screwing a buyer with pay pal gift.

Paypal should absolutely cut off any seller asking to be paid by "gift"
 
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So, now that it seems obvious that the seller should have (and still should) issue a refund. What does the seller have to say now? Same position? Seems to me that the seller, not buyer, needs to explain their position a bit more.
 
wjswiger said:
I swear dude you are the most sanctimonious guy on this forum......you must live in a very large house made of steel......yeah, probably glass. I've thrown my share of members in the ignore section, but I swear you'd throw your own mother or wife in there for bringing you the wrong cup of coffee......HOLY CRAP!!! I'm thinking he is a MOD and he doesn't even know it......
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When you personally attack me can you please keep my family out of your insults? Great contribution to the discussion BTW. Take your trolling some where else....

Gastonknife said:
So, now that it seems obvious that the seller should have (and still should) issue a refund. What does the seller have to say now? Same position? Seems to me that the seller, not buyer, needs to explain their position a bit more.
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Yes indeed. The seller needs to explain himself if he wants his name cleared. I think we will find that he won't though. Nothing about this situation gives any indication that the seller has acceptable moral standards and chiming in again won't do him any good since he is clearly in the wrong.
 
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