Modern Traditionals....;)

knifeswapper said:
But I agree on the Fallkniven traditional styles; the TK3, GP, FH9, etc. are unrivaled in build quality (imho).
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Who makes the Fällkniven folders? I heard that they are made in Japan, and if the quality is what you say, it makes me wonder if they are made by Moki.

The only reason I don't have any yet (besides a U2) is the price. One day...
 
Maybe this counts (not my pic but I have this one)
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brownshoe said:
That Fox is not a "traditional" per BF regulations, the liner lock disqualifies it. Nice knife though, Fox makes some nice blades. Same with the Fallkniven GP it has a liner lock too. Made by Moki I think, like the AlMar, if not Moki then Sakai. I've always thought the Fallkniven GP looks more like a Japanese knife in design than European.

That AlMar is nice, know when it was made?
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Schrade made a 1 blade trapper traditional....liner locks can be found on traditional knives. Look at a 194OT.
 
lambertiana said:
Who makes the Fällkniven folders? I heard that they are made in Japan, and if the quality is what you say, it makes me wonder if they are made by Moki.
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They do look Moki, but some are marked Sweden and some are not marked. A bit like the Bluegrass Cutlery bit - not sure we'll ever know exactly what is done where.
 
Superdave1 said:
Schrade made a 1 blade trapper traditional....liner locks can be found on traditional knives. Look at a 194OT.
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I would think the torx hardware would disqualify it before the liner lock but im no expert. I agree linerlocks have been used in traditional knives for s very long time
 
Goose 7279 said:
I would think the torx hardware would disqualify it before the liner lock but im no expert. I agree linerlocks have been used in traditional knives for s very long time
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Knives with screw fasteners have been around a long time too....maybe not torx lol
 
Yeait would be the torx in my opinion that would disqualify it. But screwed construction has been around for a while.
 
Traditional to my way of thinking would not at all be compromised by the introduction of a new and improved screw design. I would vote out pocket clips but better screws doing the same job - is just smart. Traditional doesn't mean - not willing to use better materials - when they come along - does it? Asking not saying.

Ray
 
Hey im not saying that anything is disqualifying it. It is not (IN MY OPINION) traditional. Also, IMO i Totally disagree with torx being better than anything. This is also just my opinion when you start using different materials and craftsmanship thats how knives stop being traditional in my experience. I personally dont think g10 and carbon fiber are traditional and that makes the knives fall into the category of these modern traditionals. I personally see nothing traditional with the hinderer slipjoint. Its a fine knife but nothing traditional about it besides its backspring. Same goes for the crk slipjoint, alot of pena knives etc. This is all just my opinion not the opinion or consensus of others.
 
tra·di·tion·al
/trəˈdiSH(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
  1. existing in or as part of a tradition; long-established.
    synonyms: long-established, customary, time-honored, established, classic, accustomed, standard, regular, normal, conventional, usual, orthodox, habitual, set, fixed, routine, ritual
    • produced, done, or used in accordance with tradition.
 
Goose 7279 said:
Hey im not saying that anything is disqualifying it. It is not (IN MY OPINION) traditional. Also, IMO i Totally disagree with torx being better than anything. This is also just my opinion when you start using different materials and craftsmanship thats how knives stop being traditional in my experience. I personally dont think g10 and carbon fiber are traditional and that makes the knives fall into the category of these modern traditionals. I personally see nothing traditional with the hinderer slipjoint. Its a fine knife but nothing traditional about it besides its backspring. Same goes for the crk slipjoint, alot of pena knives etc. This is all just my opinion not the opinion or consensus of others.
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Barlows built in the late 1600's didn't have Polyoxymethylene handles.
My Question to you is when did Polyoxymethylene (Delrin) become Traditional?

GEC uses Micarta and Acrylic, are some GEC's no longer traditional?

Christy knives are considered traditional here, they don't have a back spring, Neither does a Walker liner lock.

Case and Victorinox manufacturing methods have been updated since the 1950's. With more modern manufacturing methods Case knives and Victorinox, by your definition are no longer traditional.
Apparently these are both modern knives, because of the modern materials.
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I think it's more about modern construction (think torx), very modern materials (think carbon fiber), one hand opening methods (think thumb studs or flippers), and modern carry options (think pocket clips). Stay away from those and it's pretty well accepted in the community. Of course SOMEBODY will come up with an example of a knife that breaks the rules, but I think MOST OF US know what's acceptable and not. And we are reasonable enough to play it safe when there is a knife that we question. We are kind of "traditional" too :p
 
My point is when Delrin first came into use on knives it might have been considered cheap but I don't remember it being considered not traditional.

Micarta and Acrylic are being accepted by many as traditional enough, eventually carbon fiber and G10 will be accepted as traditional. Just takes time, synthetic is synthetic regardless of what it is. :D
 
JohnDF said:
I think it's more about modern construction (think torx), very modern materials (think carbon fiber), one hand opening methods (think thumb studs or flippers), and modern carry options (think pocket clips). Stay away from those and it's pretty well accepted in the community. Of course SOMEBODY will come up with an example of a knife that breaks the rules, but I think MOST OF US know what's acceptable and not. And we are reasonable enough to play it safe when there is a knife that we question. We are kind of "traditional" too :p
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I pretty much agree with all of your post here JohnDF. That this thread is called Modern Traditionals....;)has bought the postings some slack and it has been fun to see some of the TRADITIONAL "cousins" being posted.

On the subject of screws/traditional though :rolleyes: and at the risk of being a nudnik, I don't understand how the kind of screw is a factor. Weren't TRADITIONAL knives held together with pins and so isn't any screw is an upgrade to modern? Just sayin' that in my totally subjective and humble opinion I would not pass on a knife as Traditional if the scales were held on with torx, all other considerations being indisputably traditional to my father's and grandfather's days. :thumbsup:

Ray
 
RayseM said:
Weren't TRADITIONAL knives held together with pins and so isn't any screw is an upgrade to modern?
Ray
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Probably. But they were also considered modern 80 years ago when they were used. So the better question is, how long after something is deemed modern - is it no longer modern?
 
I guess according to the definition that Gary posted it's the '60s, so about 3 generations. In other words, Papa's knife.
 
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