More Tracker / WSK discussion - Hunted

Cliff Stamp said:
Insult the guy, insult his product, and then ask for an evaluation piece - does that even seem reasonable, look at the comments made in this thread and others directed towards him and his product. It is hardly the case that it came off that this would be a good place for him to get unbiased feedback, most people have their minds made up already.

-Cliff
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Sorry Cliff but I am with Brian on this one.
Look this guy he shows up with 1000 pieces?
Because he can find the Tops version
and he can't wait for 6 months from
Mr. linger?
Well, here is one elemental question,
"how long it will take to make one knife like that, not one
but one thousand ?"

I think Mr. Beck or Mr. Linger can answer that question.
Cliff, even you can answer that question,
Dam, it is a hell of job. Cliff, don't you think so?
Mathematic is not a opinion.
Here and there, some guys like me that appreciate
a piece of art and integrity of the person who make it.
And we will wait so long to have it.

RS6...............
440C is not too bad.
But tell us a story??
Nobody is attacking this guy.
You have to collaborate with others to make a business, you know that CLIFF ?!
I hope RS6 knows that, too.
 
blgoode said:
With Brian Jones permission, we can set up a separate thread to organize a weekend outing for this new knife. Do we have volunteers that are interested and willing to return the knife back to Aaron, NOT destroyed?

I'd first like to see the knifes sheath. That is the one deciding factor for me when I look at a knife. If it has a crappy sheath, for some reason I dont care for the knife as much.
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I would give it a good solid test.I'd go for a good long hike in the most god-forsaken weather and bush and make full camp (including fire) using only the knife.
Do I have a shot??
 
Cliff Stamp said:
that this would be a good place for him to get unbiased feedback

-Cliff
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Hmmmm, makes you wonder why you don't see many knifemakers on Blade Forums posting testing and reviews of their knives.:rolleyes: There are some makers that do, but far and few between.
Scott
 
ishiyumisan said:
Dam, it is a hell of job. Cliff, don't you think so?
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I agree with most of what was posted about the knife, and think it is yes most likely a low quality knock off job. My point was that I would not say all of that and then think it is reasonable for the maker to provide evaluation samples into an enviroment which is obviously not neutral.

-Cliff
 
Ok guy's I have a question about the knife in the last few scenes...Is it plausable that Benny Del could forge a knife just from a campfire?? I didint think that it got hot enough for this...Even taking out the time limits, could it be done??

Yea this has been an argument for some time...

It is hard to copyright a design...A name on the other hand is easily copyrighted...This is the rule for leather holster's anyway's...just my .02peso's
 
An ordinary fire in a high wind will get very hot, easily enough to forge simple steels. However you would end up with a piece of annealed steel unless you were experienced enough to edge water quench and auto-temper by main body heat sinking which isn't trivial. Of course stopping to build a large fire and make a racket by banging two heavy pieces of steel together is probably not a good idea when "the man" is chasing you and if you were going to forge a knife, that shape probably isn't the best idea either, even without the saw teeth.

-Cliff
 
"Ok guy's I have a question about the knife in the last few scenes...Is it plausable that Benny Del could forge a knife just from a campfire??"

No.

You can use wood to fuel a forge, but not that set-up, no way.
 
Cliff and protact..


thanks for that...Ok how about just using a propane grill, a hair dryer and a hammer?? I am pretty sure I am gonna end up losing this bet..

I found a junkyard that will sell me a truck spring for next to nothing...Wanted to see if I could make one similar to that...I gave up on the rock version:D
 
Hairdryer and charcoal grill, maybe. You can beat on the blade with a hammer against a rock.

You know the fire he had (operating from memory) looked barely enough to boil up a pot of tea. It takes a lot more heat than that in a pretty concentrated form to do a knife.

There is a training scene in that movie where they make a blade in a propane Kaowool forge, and even that looked a little iffy, looked like the blade was colorised, but it wouldn't have taken much to make that propane set-up work.

Propane barbecue has enough calories running through it, it's figuring out a way to concentrate the heat without it melting everything in sight.

It might be Tim Lively's site that has a series of pictures of African style smithing, there are some set-ups that work and could be implemented in a wilderness setting, theoretically.
 
By the way, my feeling is that the Tracker knife is not the kind of knife that anyone would choose to forge. There are some great artists around here who can forge just about anything, so I am not issuing a challenge. But there are certain features in a knife that yell out to be forged, others that seem stock removal inspired, and occasionally one sees something that obviously popped into a makers mind because he had CNC capabilty to grind blades (Martin Rampage for instance).

It's probably pretty mythical that folks forge blades in survival situtions, even if they have some steel (not suggesting you are hinting they do). But there are certainly folks who make their own survival gear and like to/have to do it in a low tech way. It would be fun to toss around what that blade should look like, and how that fire would be built, in another thread.
 
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